You were even clowning for manny only doing 300k ppvs werent u? Cant remember nevermind all that guaranteed stuff Top Ranked got out that fight. Its there own fault for selecting a easy fight. That fight showed Manny aint worth shit these days and has 2 loses since the original 40 mil offer. Floyd is doing well without him and until what u says happens Floyd will always have the way upperhand at this point. Why did Arum recently turn down 40 mil plus ppv's. Then hes gonna say May 2nd is not an option for the fight like who is he really? He needs to step all the way out the way, Floyd can pay him to do so
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Nope. Because I understand why he only did 300k. It isn't because he is no longer a draw but the fact his opponents were not draws and the fight was in a different market.
If he isn't worth shit why is he the number 2 draw and raking in 20 million per fight in guaranteed money? So what if he has two losses since the 40 million offer? Basically you guys, and Floyd, are saying he should get double what he normally makes while Foyd should get quadrupled the money he makes? Lmao. This is what you guys don't get and it won't get any simpler than this.
For Pac to make $40 mill he simply has to fight two fights. The opponents can be anyone. $40 mill.
for Floyd to make $100 mill or more he has to fight Pac OR 3 CREDIBLE opponents. Who can he make $100 mil with? Khan, Canelo and Cotto?
If he isn't worth shit why is he the number 2 draw and raking in 20 million per fight in guaranteed money? So what if he has two losses since the 40 million offer? Basically you guys, and Floyd, are saying he should get double what he normally makes while Foyd should get quadrupled the money he makes? Lmao. This is what you guys don't get and it won't get any simpler than this.
For Pac to make $40 mill he simply has to fight two fights. The opponents can be anyone. $40 mill.
for Floyd to make $100 mill or more he has to fight Pac OR 3 CREDIBLE opponents. Who can he make $100 mil with? Khan, Canelo and Cotto?
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Floyd is riding on his unbeaten record as long as he can and he'll try to suck everyone dry in the meantime. His stock will plummet hard if he ever loses, hence why he is acting like a diva. This isn't about Pac wanting to fight Floyd anymore, it's the other way around. Floyd's demands and the terms he sets are unreasonable as fuck, which is the definition of ducking. Forget the losses Manny suffered for a second. Isn't he the best fighter out there for Floyd? It's self explanatory
Now I know Floyd is a savvy business man and he'll try his best to get a huge chunk out of this fight, but lets face it, it isn't going to come to fruition unless he makes some sacrifices as well. As HERESY put it, no one is willing to get raped like that. Out of principle I wouldn't want to see this fight happen if Floyd continues to act like a narcissistic jackass. 60/40 is fair imo.
Floyd is riding on his unbeaten record as long as he can and he'll try to suck everyone dry in the meantime. His stock will plummet hard if he ever loses, hence why he is acting like a diva. This isn't about Pac wanting to fight Floyd anymore, it's the other way around. Floyd's demands and the terms he sets are unreasonable as fuck, which is the definition of ducking. Forget the losses Manny suffered for a second. Isn't he the best fighter out there for Floyd? It's self explanatory
Now I know Floyd is a savvy business man and he'll try his best to get a huge chunk out of this fight, but lets face it, it isn't going to come to fruition unless he makes some sacrifices as well. As HERESY put it, no one is willing to get raped like that. Out of principle I wouldn't want to see this fight happen if Floyd continues to act like a narcissistic jackass. 60/40 is fair imo.
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It's not about the money it's more about the "principle", Floyd had to concede to Oscar to get where he is.
Manny's numbers are dipping because he took a low risk fight vs a low risk opponent and that equals to low PPV numbers which mean you get a low offer. If he fights a game opponent (Canelo, Miadana) his numbers would be better and he wouldn't have to take that much of a low offer to fight Floyd.
Come on now Heresy, that's why they say he's losing "leverage" not to mention suffering two losses.
Manny's numbers are dipping because he took a low risk fight vs a low risk opponent and that equals to low PPV numbers which mean you get a low offer. If he fights a game opponent (Canelo, Miadana) his numbers would be better and he wouldn't have to take that much of a low offer to fight Floyd.
Come on now Heresy, that's why they say he's losing "leverage" not to mention suffering two losses.
Tony, Floyd was not the number two earner in the sport of boxing when he fought Oscar. Floyd and Oscar were not tied for p4p when they fought. PPV numbers do NOT matter when it comes to these two guys fighting because everyone wants to see the fight and it will be in this market. Again, low ppv numbers for these guys don't mean a thing.
As for the losses, he avenged one and the other guy doesn't want a rematch. Has Floyd fought better competition? Absolutely but this is not about ppV numbers or a loss. Bottom line, if this is about MONEY there is NO WAY you can NOT give the second highest EARNER in boxing a fair share of the pot because, without him, there is no biggest fight in boxing history.
As for the losses, he avenged one and the other guy doesn't want a rematch. Has Floyd fought better competition? Absolutely but this is not about ppV numbers or a loss. Bottom line, if this is about MONEY there is NO WAY you can NOT give the second highest EARNER in boxing a fair share of the pot because, without him, there is no biggest fight in boxing history.
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Let's put it this way, if Floyd is such a draw and making Showtime money, then why would Showtime come out and say that negotiations are going on for the Manny fight? Yeah, he is a draw but he's actually making Showtime lose money. That's not what's happening with Manny. Once Floyd's contract is over with Showtime with no Manny fight, it only makes sense for Showtime to completely cut ties with Floyd and Haymon. Cuz no one will make money cuz of his high demands.
Showtime snatched Floyd with hopes that they can snatch Manny later in the year, but Manny stayed with Top Rank and HBO. So then he was forced to fight Canelo after Floyd said Canelo didn't deserve it and managed to make Canelo fight at catchweight,(thanks to Schaefer). After that no opponents left so he fought Maidana fight twice with no 1 mill buys Showtime was hoping for. So now Arum is reaching out to CBS and they are trying to raise the money yet Arum and Manny are ducking?
This fight is not gonna happen people!
Showtime snatched Floyd with hopes that they can snatch Manny later in the year, but Manny stayed with Top Rank and HBO. So then he was forced to fight Canelo after Floyd said Canelo didn't deserve it and managed to make Canelo fight at catchweight,(thanks to Schaefer). After that no opponents left so he fought Maidana fight twice with no 1 mill buys Showtime was hoping for. So now Arum is reaching out to CBS and they are trying to raise the money yet Arum and Manny are ducking?
This fight is not gonna happen people!
Manny has stayed making 20-25++ mil for fights for awhile, even against Algieri he made a guap in a total mismatch regardless of the PPV numbers.
I think it's ridiculous that Showtime is LOSING money on Floyd's fights at around 30-35 mil, and this dude wants 3-4 times as much as he's being paid already to fight Pacquiao while Pacquiao only stands to make about 15 million more with the $40 million offer. If that doesn't sound shady to you, I don't know what to tell you. It's not about "A side" or "B side." It's not about PPV numbers. It's the richest fight in history and one side is flat out trying to screw the other over just to make the fight which is retarded.
I think it's ridiculous that Showtime is LOSING money on Floyd's fights at around 30-35 mil, and this dude wants 3-4 times as much as he's being paid already to fight Pacquiao while Pacquiao only stands to make about 15 million more with the $40 million offer. If that doesn't sound shady to you, I don't know what to tell you. It's not about "A side" or "B side." It's not about PPV numbers. It's the richest fight in history and one side is flat out trying to screw the other over just to make the fight which is retarded.
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Floyd nor Manny are doing the actual negotiations. That's the hold up. If the fighters are the one doing it themselves, then Peter Quillin would have been $2 mill richer this past weekend. With that being said, HERESY's first paragraph that you didn't understand was maybe involving DLH vs Mayweather purse split. It was like a like a 65-35 split with Mayweather not being a #2 ppv star. DLH knew he would make the most he's ever seen as long as he fought Floyd, so he did what he had to do. Floyd is asking for a 90-10 split with Manny. Now don't forget, it's not the actual fighters doing business. The promoters, managers, and networks are all involved and they all know a 60-40 split is fair. But someone in Floyd's camp feels otherwise (Haymon).
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You said, "Floyd had to concede against Oscar" but why did he have to do it?
Had Floyd headlined a ppv before the fight?
Was Floyd the number 2 earner in the sport before the fight?
Was Floyd in the top ten P4P or at some point tied with Oscar on the p4p list?
Yeah but I'm talking about the three recent fights specifically.
Had Floyd headlined a ppv before the fight?
Was Floyd the number 2 earner in the sport before the fight?
Was Floyd in the top ten P4P or at some point tied with Oscar on the p4p list?
Yeah but I'm talking about the three recent fights specifically.
Fuck what he said. Fuck what Floyd has said. They BOTH have said some of the most stupid shit in boxing history and stay contradicting themselves.
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