Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, will it happen?

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Will Mayweather vs. Pacquiao ever happen?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 43.6%
  • No

    Votes: 10 25.6%
  • Who the hell knows at this point?

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What wasn't true? Single it out for me...because these are Mayweather's facts. So how can I be wrong about what Mayweather considered his facts...all you have to do is listen to the video and see he based his accusations off those 4 points. I didn't say he was right but those are his facts.
"Mayweather's facts", you're a funny dude man lol I don't even know how to respond to this. See Coach's posts - it's silly to even argue about a defamation suit at this point and like coach said, both sides said stupid shit. None of it matters in December2014. What matters is what they are saying on the negotiation table.
 

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And he continued to say it...after the lawsuit was filed and say it after the lawsuit was settled. I was just pointing out that all the video links were AFTER Manny had filed. It's funny how Manny was in negotiations all the way up until Dec 11th 09 then on Dec 30th 09 he files suit. 19 days in between I'm trying to find what was he focused on in that time? You run from the negotiations, then turn around and file suit. They ask you afterwards on ESPN do you ever intend to fight Floyd and out of Manny's own mouth he says, "I'm not looking for that fight...I am happy with my career and my accomplishments." The man clearly was trying to hide something and like I said Pacquaio is 100% at fault for EVERYTHING that has taken place...he was the first person to say "NO".

At that time they had agreed to a 50/50 split which means both men are considered EQUAL so both men have a right to a demand or demands...Floyd said "YES" Manny said "NO" so there is your end of story.
From the article

"The cause of action was based on a number of statements made by the defendants including Mayweather Jr.’s statement made during a nationally-broadcast radio interview in which he stated that the Phillippines have access to some of the best PEDs and that is what Pacquiao can contribute his growth to. Mayweather also stated at a press junket that Pacquiao has “the power pellets, yo, the steroid juice.” Numerous other statements were also alleged in the complaint."

So, based on a critical reading of that piece of the article one can come to one of two conclusions. The first conclusion being that Floyd made a statement at a radio station, also made a statement at a press conference (the contents of the video) and made some other statements that caused Pac to file a complaint (in which the statements were included.) The second conclusion is that Floyd made the first statement, the writer is including the second statement (the contents of the video) for example purposes and not concerned about a date and that Floyd also said other things which caused Pac to file a complaint.

So it's either one or the other. Flip a coin. If he says it before the lawsuit is filed what are we discussing this for? If he says it after the lawsuit is filed it shows his willingness to stick his foot in his mouth while potential lawsuits are pending.
 

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Bottom line is he did the right thing by settling the lawsuit as the only thing that went his way was the judge not entertaining a default judgement.

Bottom line is these two probably WON'T fight due to FLOYD'S stance on how much Manny should get and because Manny does not speak up for himself until things are already at a tipping point.

Bottom line is both men are responsible.

Bottom line is you should only have one bottom line.
 

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De La Hoya Not Ruling Out a Khan Return To HBO - Boxing News
This can only prove that Khan vs Floyd has to happen for Floyd's sake. If Khan goes to HBO, then it's obvious it's Manny vs Khan.
No it doesn't. If Khan gets knocked out then what? Is SHO pushing for a Khan fight? Do you see the parent companies sitting down and trying to negotiate a khan fight? Do you see Muslim oil barons trying to put together a fight for fellow Muslim, Khan?
 
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Of course sho isn't pushing for a khan fight but do you think they want to lose khan to hbo? The problem with floyd is that showtime gave him too much power. He can decide not to fight khan, not to fight thurman, not to fight lara. The last to are his mandatories. Khan wants fights with either floyd or Manny so fighting Manny right now seems more realistic
 
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No it doesn't. If Khan gets knocked out then what? Is SHO pushing for a Khan fight? Do you see the parent companies sitting down and trying to negotiate a khan fight? Do you see Muslim oil barons trying to put together a fight for fellow Muslim, Khan?
I actually think that those dudes in the Mideast were pushing pretty heavy for a Khan fight at one point. It may have only been if it was against Floyd but I can't remember.

Floyd never fights outside of Vegas, so I find it to be virtually impossible he would leave Vegas, especially to fight a Muslim in the mideast
 
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I actually think that those dudes in the Mideast were pushing pretty heavy for a Khan fight at one point. It may have only been if it was against Floyd but I can't remember.
They wanted Khan vs Alexander in Dubai last year:

Amir Khan hails Dubai as 'better than Las Vegas' as boxing destination | The National

Floyd never fights outside of Vegas, so I find it to be virtually impossible he would leave Vegas, especially to fight a Muslim in the mideast
Yeah which is a shame. I always thought it was cool that greats like Ali fought in Africa, England, Philippines, etc etc etc. I guess the MGM give Floyd and Haymon a lot of money to fight there though so that's why he won't leave.
 

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They wanted Khan vs Alexander in Dubai last year:

Amir Khan hails Dubai as 'better than Las Vegas' as boxing destination | The National

Yeah which is a shame. I always thought it was cool that greats like Ali fought in Africa, England, Philippines, etc etc etc. I guess the MGM give Floyd and Haymon a lot of money to fight there though so that's why he won't leave.
There you go, forgot about that particular offer.

Yeah man, Floyd doesn't even fight outside of one state, much less the United States. There was that rumor that he was using that xylocaine or lidocaine or whatever it was. From what I remember, it was legal in the state of Nevada but not other states like NY or CA. That coupled with the site fees if that's true, why would he ever fight somewhere else if he was using/needed to inject that stuff.
 

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Did any of you guys read this Thomas Hauser interview? He put GB, Haymon, and a bunch of other people ON BLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!

Max Boxing - News - The PED Mess: Part One

“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has been doing during the previous six months?”

Tests for a Mayweather fight generally begin around the time of the kick-off press tour heralding Floyd’s annual ring appearance. Floyd and his opponent agree to keep USADA advised as to their whereabouts and submit to an unlimited number of unannounced blood and urine tests. Other details (such as what drugs are being tested for, how samples are analyzed and what happens in the event of a positive test) are murky.

Mayweather and his promoter (Golden Boy Promotions) have gone to great lengths to propagate the notion that they’re in the forefront of PED testing to “clean up” boxing. In return, they’ve reaped a public relations bonanza. But some members of Team Mayweather haven’t been content to simply disseminate a positive message with regard to Floyd’s conduct. They’ve chosen instead to brand Pacquiao (Mayweather’s chief rival) as a PED user.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. declared, “[Pacquiao] can’t beat Clottey without that sh*t in him. He couldn’t beat De la Hoya without that sh*t. He couldn’t beat Ricky Hatton without that sh*t. And he couldn’t beat Cotto without that sh*t. I don’t even think he could beat that kid from Chicago [David Diaz] without that sh*t. He wouldn’t be able to beat any of those guys without enhancement drugs.”

Not to be outdone, Roger Mayweather proclaimed, “This mother**ker don’t want to take the test. That’s why the fight [Mayweather vs. Pacquiao] didn’t happen. He got that sh*t in him. That’s why he didn’t want to take the test.”

References to Pacquiao’s alleged PED use by the other defendants in the defamation action were more subtle. But their message was similar.

The court case moved slowly as litigation often does. Last year, the claims against Schaefer and De la Hoya were dismissed with the consent of Pacquiao’s attorneys after Richard and Oscar apologized and stated that they had never meant to suggest that Manny was using performance-enhancing drugs.

The Mayweathers continued to fight the complaint. Floyd’s conduct in failing to appear for a scheduled deposition on several occasions displeased the court and infuriated Pacquiao’s attorneys. The case looked like it would be a long battle of attrition. Then things changed dramatically.

Under standard sports drug-testing protocols, when blood or urine is taken from an athlete, it’s divided into an “A” and “B” sample. The “A” sample is tested first. If it tests negative, end of story. If the “A” sample tests positive, the athlete then has the right to demand that the “B” sample be tested. If the “B” sample tests negative, the athlete is presumed to be clean. But if the “B” sample also tests positive, the first positive finding is confirmed and the athlete has a problem.

On May 20, 2012, a rumor filtered through the drug-testing community that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug.

More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights).

In late-May, Pacquiao’s attorneys heard the rumor. On June 4, 2012, they served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy and USADA calling for the production of all documents that related to PED testing of Mayweather for the Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto fights.

The documents were not produced. There was a delay in the proceedings while Floyd spent nine weeks in the Clark County Detention Center after pleading guilty to charges of domestic violence and harassment. Upon his release from jail on August 2nd, settlement talks heated up.

On September 25, 2012, a stipulation of settlement ending the defamation case was filed with the court. The parties agreed that the terms of settlement would be kept confidential. Prior to the agreement being signed, two sources with detailed knowledge of the proceedings told this writer that Mayweather’s initial monetary settlement offer was “substantially more” than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected it would be and an agreement in principle was reached soon afterward.

As part of the settlement, the Mayweathers and Mayweather Promotions issued a statement that read: “Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”

I don’t know if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs or not.

I do know that, if Mayweather’s “A” sample tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug on one or more occasions and he was given a waiver by USADA that concealed this fact from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his opponent and the public, we have an ingredient that could contribute to the making of a scandal.

Any analysis of PED use and boxing should start with the acknowledgement that chemistry is now part of sports.

We know certain things about the use of illegal, performance-enhancing drugs:

(1) PEDs offer more than a shortcut. They take an athlete to a place that he or she might not be able to get to without them. When undertaken in conjunction with proper exercise and training, the use of PEDs creates a better athlete.

(2) PED use is often difficult to detect.Sophisticated users evade detection in the face of rigorous testing. The more money an athlete spends, the less detectible PED use is. Also, in many instances, the testing is erratic, inadequate and even corrupt. Three years ago, Victor Conte declared, “Boxing’s testing program is beyond a joke. It’s worthless. The loopholes are so big that you could drive a Mack truck through them. Many of the people who are supposed to be regulating this don’t want to know.” Now Conte says, “In some respects, things have gotten worse.”

(3) PED use is more prevalent in boxing now than ever before, particularly at the elite level. For many fighters, the prevailing ethic seems to be, “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.”Fighters are reconfiguring their bodies and, in some instances, look like totally different physical beings. In a clean world, fighters don’t get older, heavier and faster at the same time, but that’s what’s happening in boxing. Improved performances at an advanced age are becoming common. Fighters at age 35 are outperforming what they could do when they were 30. In some instances, fighters are starting to perform at an elite level at an age when they would normally be expected to be on a downward slide.

(4) The use of PEDs threatens the short term and long term health of the user. It’s illegal and gives an athlete who uses them an unfair competitive advantage. It also endangers fighters who are getting hit in the head harder than before by opponents.
 

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I actually think that those dudes in the Mideast were pushing pretty heavy for a Khan fight at one point. It may have only been if it was against Floyd but I can't remember.

Floyd never fights outside of Vegas, so I find it to be virtually impossible he would leave Vegas, especially to fight a Muslim in the mideast
They were too worried about pushing oil while the rest of the people there starve. Fuck them. Fuck Khan, too.
 
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Pacquiao To Mayweather: You Have Nowhere To Run!



Manny Pacquiao vowed to chase Floyd Mayweather into ring submission after his rival offered to fight him next year in a blockbuster world title face-off.

"He (Mayweather) has reached a dead end. He has nowhere to run but to fight me," Pacquiao stated to AFP*late Saturday, hours after the undefeated Mayweather issued the May 2 challenge on Showtime.

The two were long-time rivals as the 'best pound-for-pound' boxers of their generation, but the dream fight has never materialised to the disappointment of the boxing world.

"I will try my best to (make) this a thrilling and entertaining fight. But I doubt if he's gonna engage me in a slugfest," said the Filipino, winner of an unprecedented eight world titles in different weight classes.

"You all know his fighting style. Most of his previous fights, if not all, induced us to sleep," said Pacquiao from his southern Philippines home city of General Santos.

Should the fight happen, Pacquiao, who turns 36 on Wednesday, said he will do to Mayweather what he did to another previously undefeated American, Chris Algieri, who lost to the World Boxing Organisation welterweight champion in Macau last month.

"I know what I have to do. I will chase him wherever he goes just in case he decides to run around the ring. We will devise a good fight plan against him," Pacquiao added.

Speaking to Showtime Sports on Friday night, Mayweather, 37, said he wants his next fight to be against the Filipino star.

However, Mayweather said - without giving details - that the expected richest fight in boxing history will only happen if he receives a much bigger share of the purse than his opponent.

In 2012 there was speculation that a fight between the two could lead to the first $200 million purse in boxing history with much of that money coming from pay-per-view sales.

At one point Pacquiao says Mayweather offered him a $40 million purse on the condition Mayweather would keep the pay-per-view money, which would have amounted to more than double what Pacquiao received.

Previous talks were also scuttled because Mayweather says Pacquiao refused to submit to random blood testing.

"Mayweather can get the amount he wants. As early as January this year, I challenged him to a charity fight. Until now, he has not agreed to it. So, money is not the issue in our fight," Pacquiao said Saturday.

"This fight is about legacy, this is about making the fans happy and, above all, this is for the good of boxing."
 
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Bottom line is he did the right thing by settling the lawsuit as the only thing that went his way was the judge not entertaining a default judgement.

Bottom line is these two probably WON'T fight due to FLOYD'S stance on how much Manny should get and because Manny does not speak up for himself until things are already at a tipping point.

Bottom line is both men are responsible.

Bottom line is you should only have one bottom line.
My bad I just got back...I read that link with the date and yes the interview did take place before the lawsuit...and based on what Mayweather had said Pacquiao did have grounds for his actions...I still think he should have confronted Mayweatger in the ring and socked him in the mouth...but yeah it is the past. Here is Manny emphatically speaking up for himself--->

"Mayweather can get the amount he wants. As early as January this year, I challenged him to a charity fight. Until now, he has not agreed to it. So, money is not the issue in our fight," Pacquiao said Saturday.
 
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My bad I just got back...I read that link with the date and yes the interview did take place before the lawsuit...and based on what Mayweather had said Pacquiao did have grounds for his actions...I still think he should have confronted Mayweatger in the ring and socked him in the mouth...but yeah it is the past. Here is Manny emphatically speaking up for himself--->

"Mayweather can get the amount he wants. As early as January this year, I challenged him to a charity fight. Until now, he has not agreed to it. So, money is not the issue in our fight," Pacquiao said Saturday.
You know Bob Arum was probably saying to himself "STFU Manny I'm trying to get us paaaaaiiiiiiddd!"
 

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My bad I just got back...I read that link with the date and yes the interview did take place before the lawsuit...and based on what Mayweather had said Pacquiao did have grounds for his actions...I still think he should have confronted Mayweatger in the ring and socked him in the mouth...but yeah it is the past. Here is Manny emphatically speaking up for himself--->

"Mayweather can get the amount he wants. As early as January this year, I challenged him to a charity fight. Until now, he has not agreed to it. So, money is not the issue in our fight," Pacquiao said Saturday.
He abasolutely should have confronted him in the ring but maybe the court thing was because Floyd was bullshitting on negotiations or something, I don't know. Let me take it back to the first Bradley fight and when they announced Bradley was the winner. Did you see how Pac was looking? Smiling, happy and hugging on people, no malice, no venom, nothing. He is taking the meek shall inherit the earth and blessed is the peacemaker a bit too serious. The guy does NOT speak up for himself when it matters. And look at how that slimy fuck Arum is rubbing all on Bradley after the fight. Pac need to stop letting that fool speak for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4mfEOMk93Y

Nigga, what do YOU want? Not the talk to my manager, talk to Arum, talk tot his guy, talk to that guy, talk to the man on the moon shit. Do you want to fight floyd or not? If so, take the money and fight. If not, shut the fuck up and move to 140. It's simple at this point. And if Floyd wants the fight, fuck worrying about what Manny is getting, worry about YOUR CUT and be REASONABLE. If not you won't make the money you can potentially can.
 
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Floyd never fights outside of Vegas, so I find it to be virtually impossible he would leave Vegas, especially to fight a Muslim in the mideast
Floyd is a dumbass for this one financially wise. Imagine had he fought Hatton in the UK in front of 80k people? He could similarly do the same with Khan, but he is way too comfortable in Vegas. I personally think he is paranoid he would get robbed of a decision outside of the US

Oh and this cracked me up :D

 
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