Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, will it happen?

[Coach E. No]

And i told you i threw it out there on some not even caring if it was true or not. You keep trying to go off that one thing. Tell me why would Floyd ever want to deal with Top Ranked again after Top Ranked was the ones that withdrew from the fight with 1st time? That was the best money Manny could of made and they still withdrew

You're really asking this? And you're completely disregarding that Floyd's incessant libelous accusations landed him in a defamation suit which he lost? I don't get you guys man, I really don't. The blame is on everyone involved. There was much more that happened there, not just that one thing man. Both sides are to blame. How many more times can I say that?

 

[T-Rip]

Yeah only hoes take people to court and again why would Floyd deal with Top Ranked after getting taken to court? If Manny accepted the blood tests the fight would of happened point blank

 

[Coach E. No]

lol you are a lost cause to the fullest extent

 

[T-Rip]

your argument is a lost cause

 

[The Bay Area]

If I give you a 14 day window...$10 million pr pound penalty, gloves, ring size and agree to a 50/50 split and all I get is your promoter saying "Fuck you (me) we don't need you" and a lawsuit where I forked over money...why should I negotiate a fight in the future with you? Fast forward 5 years to the present and you desperately need me to cash you out with a BIG TIME SPLIT 60/40...why should I oblige? Fuck you...I don't need you...here is a 66/33 split...it's what you deserve. Earn a better split by winning the 1st fight.

 

[battle619]

Fuck the past! It's all up to mayweather now and like I said it's not gonna happen. So manny should go back to juicing and... ooops! He cant! Floyd got Ariza.

 

[T-Rip]

Yeah its all up to Mayweather nothing biased about that.

 

[The Bay Area]

You're really asking this? And you're completely disregarding that Floyd's incessant libelous accusations landed him in a defamation suit which he lost? I don't get you guys man, I really don't. The blame is on everyone involved. There was much more that happened there, not just that one thing man. Both sides are to blame. How many more times can I say that?

Floyd never "lost" regarding the lawsuit...he settled out of court. Had he have went through with it...it would have been up to Pacquiao's team to prove that Pacquaio was injured by Floyd accusations and that he had lost some monetary value as a result of it. Like promoters, Top Rank, dropping him from the company...terminating his contract...because they felt he was on PEDS...the networks, HBO, refusing to show a drug users fights on their broadcast. Floyd could have went through with the frivolous lawsuit because Manny didn't lose income from Mayweather's tirades. So with no loss of money it becomes freedom of speech and one is able to voice ones opinion. Floyd just took the high road and gave Manny some money and continued onward to reclaiming his #1 P4P status and becoming the highest grossing athlete in the world. Correct me if I'm wrong...I'm not to certain on the facts.

 

[Coach E. No]

Floyd never "lost" regarding the lawsuit...he settled out of court. Had he have went through with it...it would have been up to Pacquiao's team to prove that Pacquaio was injured by Floyd accusations and that he had lost some monetary value as a result of it. Like promoters, Top Rank, dropping him from the company...terminating his contract...because they felt he was on PEDS...the networks, HBO, refusing to show a drug users fights on their broadcast. Floyd could have went through with the frivolous lawsuit because Manny didn't lose income from Mayweather's tirades. So with no loss of money it becomes freedom of speech and one is able to voice ones opinion. Floyd just took the high road and gave Manny some money and continued onward to reclaiming his #1 P4P status and becoming the highest grossing athlete in the world. Correct me if I'm wrong...I'm not to certain on the facts.

They didn't take the high road on any of that. Floyd was still throwing shots out there for a couple of years and suggesting that he was using PED's and throwing racist things out there in the meantime. Basically, they pleaded ignorance and said they never intended to say anything defamatory or slanderous.

"In a statement released Tuesday night through the mediator in the case, the Mayweathers said they "wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs, nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs."

 

[HERESY]

Floyd never "lost" regarding the lawsuit...he settled out of court. Had he have went through with it...it would have been up to Pacquiao's team to prove that Pacquaio was injured by Floyd accusations and that he had lost some monetary value as a result of it. Like promoters, Top Rank, dropping him from the company...terminating his contract...because they felt he was on PEDS...the networks, HBO, refusing to show a drug users fights on their broadcast. Floyd could have went through with the frivolous lawsuit because Manny didn't lose income from Mayweather's tirades. So with no loss of money it becomes freedom of speech and one is able to voice ones opinion. Floyd just took the high road and gave Manny some money and continued onward to reclaiming his #1 P4P status and becoming the highest grossing athlete in the world. Correct me if I'm wrong...I'm not to certain on the facts.

This is not entirely true as a defamation suit is not dependent on showing monetary loss. Physical and mental harm can be done to a person when they are defamed. They can become depressed and spiral out of control, they may have health issues caused by stress of the situation, unable to eat, unable to sleep, etc. So if you show any of these things you don't need to show monetary harm. As for it being free speech, that's not the case either. While PEDS could be argued to be a matter of public concern, Floyd and his camp were the ones who started that and in the vids and interviews there is blatant malice so that goes flying out the window. In short, Milkovich vs Lorain Journal Co is the ruling that matters most now when it comes to freedom of speech and opinion and, according to the test the SCOTUS outlined, Floyd would have been toast if he didn't settle out of court (which is still considered a loss as he was the only one who came out the pocket although not judgement was entered against him.)

 

[The Bay Area]

This is not entirely true as a defamation suit is not dependent on showing monetary loss. Physical and mental harm can be done to a person when they are defamed. They can become depressed and spiral out of control, they may have health issues caused by stress of the situation, unable to eat, unable to sleep, etc. So if you show any of these things you don't need to show monetary harm. As for it being free speech, that's not the case either. While PEDS could be argued to be a matter of public concern, Floyd and his camp were the ones who started that and in the vids and interviews there is blatant malice so that goes flying out the window. In short, Milkovich vs Lorain Journal Co is the ruling that matters most now when it comes to freedom of speech and opinion and, according to the test the SCOTUS outlined, Floyd would have been toast if he didn't settle out of court (which is still considered a loss as he was the only one who came out the pocket although not judgement was entered against him.)

Floyd should have let Pac's team take it to the courts because it up to them to show that Pac was mentally hampered by this to the point he was unable to: lead a normal life, continue with his profession, suffered severe mental stress and so on. In my opinion Pacquiao continued his day to day activities and kept fighting and making public appearances. Furthermore Pacquiao continued to pursue a business relationship with his accuser. In the real world...who does that?

Also in the aftermath of Milkovich vs Lorain Journal Co it seems as though different states interpreted the ruling and would apply it with their own applications. Most notably is the fact that you can "state" an opinion if you are basing it off of "facts". So let's analyze the facts that led Mayweather to say that Pacquaio had to be using performance enhancing dugs to accomplish what he had achieved.

1- Pacquaio's ascension up and through various weight classes maintaining his explosiveness and power are evident and a fact.

2- Pacquiao's increased head size are a fact.

3- Pacquaio's ability to walk through bigger punchers shots while wearing them down is a fact.

4- Pacquaio before the accusations, had been KO'd by smaller and lesser fighters in the lower weight division is a fact.

These are the points Mayweather said that led him to believe that Pacquaio had taken illegal substances. Now wether that's enough to say that Floyd is right isn't the point. The point is he based his assertion off of facts 1-4. In the Milkovich situation the journalist from Lorain Journal Co stated an opinion that, Milkovich had "lied" was not based on facts so it was a malicious opinion that after multiple appeals from both sides wound up in Supreme Court. Resulting in the narrowing of the usage of freedom of speech. In the end even if you win such a case what money do you gain from it...$1, $200, $1,000 or $1,000,000? In this case they settled on a undisclosed figure. Mayweather should have held his ground and let Pacquaio and company prove their case because the burden is on them not him.

 

[The Bay Area]

So in the span of 19 days from Dec 11th to Dec 30th Pacuaio's whole world was turned upside down by Floyd's remarks...LOL!!! Manny filed on Dec 30th so he had to be plotting this probably a week in advance like on Dec 20th LOL!!!

-On December 5, 2009, ESPN reported that Pacquiao signed a contract to fight Mayweather on March 13, 2010. Shortly afterward, Pacquiao denied ever signing a contract to fight Mayweather, telling FanHouse, "There are still some things that need to be negotiated."[10]

-In a video titled "Boxing Legend Freddie Roach Updates Us On Pacquiao" uploaded to YouTube on December 11, 2009, Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, revealed the first hint about Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing, telling roving reporter Elie Seckbach, "I hear negotiations are a little shady. Schaefer and them are unhappy about something. They want Olympic-style drug testing. I said, 'Yeah, no problem.' I said, 'Whatever you want.' Since we accepted that, now they're running scared again."

-Pacquiao filed suit in U.S. District Court in Nevada on December 30, 2009, against Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions executives Oscar De La Hoya and Richard Schaefer, alleging that they made false and defamatory statements accusing him of taking performance-enhancing drugs.[12]

I hate blowing holes in people's theories but in this interview Floyd is asked a question and as Floyd always does he side steps it. Then goes into a couple of facts but never says Pacquiao's name directly, never says yes I BELIEVE he is taking PEDS, never say he IS taking PEDS...just that it ain't natural. So where is the slander, where is the defamation? ---> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y31Xq5tzbLM

Maybe it's on that other video... where he loosely says, "He got a fake name taking power pellets." "We'll fight Pacquiao when he is off the power pellets." His only semi direct shot at the subject---> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAILYPPTbQ

Maybe there is more definitive wording from Floyd other than the colloquial slang that he uses..."power pellets"...I'm not sure...can somebody give us a link...YouTube or article?

 

[T-Rip]

Lets see what the Pactards say about this one.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Floyd should have let Pac's team take it to the courts because it up to them to show that Pac was mentally hampered by this to the point he was unable to: lead a normal life, continue with his profession, suffered severe mental stress and so on. In my opinion Pacquiao continued his day to day activities and kept fighting and making public appearances. Furthermore Pacquiao continued to pursue a business relationship with his accuser. In the real world...who does that?

Also in the aftermath of Milkovich vs Lorain Journal Co it seems as though different states interpreted the ruling and would apply it with their own applications. Most notably is the fact that you can "state" an opinion if you are basing it off of "facts". So let's analyze the facts that led Mayweather to say that Pacquaio had to be using performance enhancing dugs to accomplish what he had achieved.

1- Pacquaio's ascension up and through various weight classes maintaining his explosiveness and power are evident and a fact.

2- Pacquiao's increased head size are a fact.

3- Pacquaio's ability to walk through bigger punchers shots while wearing them down is a fact.

4- Pacquaio before the accusations, had been KO'd by smaller and lesser fighters in the lower weight division is a fact.

These are the points Mayweather said that led him to believe that Pacquaio had taken illegal substances. Now wether that's enough to say that Floyd is right isn't the point. The point is he based his assertion off of facts 1-4. In the Milkovich situation the journalist from Lorain Journal Co stated an opinion that, Milkovich had "lied" was not based on facts so it was a malicious opinion that after multiple appeals from both sides wound up in Supreme Court. Resulting in the narrowing of the usage of freedom of speech. In the end even if you win such a case what money do you gain from it...$1, $200, $1,000 or $1,000,000? In this case they settled on a undisclosed figure. Mayweather should have held his ground and let Pacquaio and company prove their case because the burden is on them not him.

lmao looks like someone needs to check the word fact in a dictionary. My god man this was a horrible post, even for a troll attempt . the only part which is fact is that he was KO'D before at a smaller weight class............ when he was a teenager.

 

[HERESY]

Floyd should have let Pac's team take it to the courts because it up to them to show that Pac was mentally hampered by this to the point he was unable to: lead a normal life, continue with his profession, suffered severe mental stress and so on. In my opinion Pacquiao continued his day to day activities and kept fighting and making public appearances. Furthermore Pacquiao continued to pursue a business relationship with his accuser. In the real world...who does that?

And Floyd would have lost because it doesn't end when Pac shows he was injured. Floyd then has to prove his statements are correct/true and present evidence supporting the claim.

Also in the aftermath of Milkovich vs Lorain Journal Co it seems as though different states interpreted the ruling and would apply it with their own applications. Most notably is the fact that you can "state" an opinion if you are basing it off of "facts".

Interpretation and application are other issues but the SCOTUS has made it clear. Concerning fact, well, you have to prove it.

So let's analyze the facts that led Mayweather to say that Pacquaio had to be using performance enhancing dugs to accomplish what he had achieved.

They aren't facts but ok.

1- Pacquaio's ascension up and through various weight classes maintaining his explosiveness and power are evident and a fact.

He was 16 when he turn pro and basically grew when he was climbing. No punching tests were done then and none are done now, so you can't attribute it to PEDS. You can say he had the right diet and workout regimen, learned how to properly throw punches, hit at the right time and at the right spot, that his opponents actually can't take punches from people who hit hard, etc.

2- Pacquiao's increased head size are a fact.

Again, he was growing. Moreover, there are no measurements of his head. You have to show WHEN he started taking PEDS and you also have to show PEDS increase bone size.

3- Pacquaio's ability to walk through bigger punchers shots while wearing them down is a fact.

Which can be attributed to his opponents lack of punching power, lack of knowing how to properly punch and a high pain tolerance. Again, how is this PED use? Many fighters have walked through punches before.

4- Pacquaio before the accusations, had been KO'd by smaller and lesser fighters in the lower weight division is a fact.

Please refer to previous comments about when he turned pro.

These are the points Mayweather said that led him to believe that Pacquaio had taken illegal substances.

And none of the points are based on any scientific data and can be easily disputed. They aren't facts. They are things he concocted and attempted to pass off as factual. Would any credible doctor agree with the things you posted? Unlikely.

Now wether that's enough to say that Floyd is right isn't the point. The point is he based his assertion off of facts 1-4.

Those aren't facts as it can't be demonstrated, recreated, observed, quantified, etc.

In the Milkovich situation the journalist from Lorain Journal Co stated an opinion that, Milkovich had "lied" was not based on facts so it was a malicious opinion that after multiple appeals from both sides wound up in Supreme Court.

And how is Floyd and different? Again, the SCOTUS narrowed things down to a three prong test. I'm sorry but Floyd doesn't pass the test. He did the right thing by settling and moving on.

Resulting in the narrowing of the usage of freedom of speech. In the end even if you win such a case what money do you gain from it...$1, $200, $1,000 or $1,000,000? In this case they settled on a undisclosed figure. Mayweather should have held his ground and let Pacquaio and company prove their case because the burden is on them not him.

Actually the burden of proof can be attributed to both parties as it doesn't stop once the plaintiff presents their side to the trier of fact. It is still on the defendant to use a valid defense, which there are four of, to support their claims or innocence. Consent, accident, truth and privilege. Pac did not consent. There where no accidental leaks about PED use. There is no truth as Floyd would have to PROVE Pac was on PEDS and privelage is not applicable as it can be easily argued that he acted with malice.

Floyd did the right thing by settling and moving on because he absolutely would have had to explain how he arrived at the conclusion. All Pac would have to do is show negative test after negative test and it's a wrap.

 

[HERESY]

So in the span of 19 days from Dec 11th to Dec 30th Pacuaio's whole world was turned upside down by Floyd's remarks...LOL!!! Manny filed on Dec 30th so he had to be plotting this probably a week in advance like on Dec 20th LOL!!!

-On December 5, 2009, ESPN reported that Pacquiao signed a contract to fight Mayweather on March 13, 2010. Shortly afterward, Pacquiao denied ever signing a contract to fight Mayweather, telling FanHouse, "There are still some things that need to be negotiated."[10]

-In a video titled "Boxing Legend Freddie Roach Updates Us On Pacquiao" uploaded to YouTube on December 11, 2009, Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, revealed the first hint about Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing, telling roving reporter Elie Seckbach, "I hear negotiations are a little shady. Schaefer and them are unhappy about something. They want Olympic-style drug testing. I said, 'Yeah, no problem.' I said, 'Whatever you want.' Since we accepted that, now they're running scared again."

-Pacquiao filed suit in U.S. District Court in Nevada on December 30, 2009, against Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions executives Oscar De La Hoya and Richard Schaefer, alleging that they made false and defamatory statements accusing him of taking performance-enhancing drugs.[12]

I hate blowing holes in people's theories but in this interview Floyd is asked a question and as Floyd always does he side steps it. Then goes into a couple of facts but never says Pacquiao's name directly, never says yes I BELIEVE he is taking PEDS, never say he IS taking PEDS...just that it ain't natural. So where is the slander, where is the defamation? ---> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y31Xq5tzbLM

Maybe it's on that other video... where he loosely says, "He got a fake name taking power pellets." "We'll fight Pacquiao when he is off the power pellets." His only semi direct shot at the subject---> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAILYPPTbQ

Maybe there is more definitive wording from Floyd other than the colloquial slang that he uses..."power pellets"...I'm not sure...can somebody give us a link...YouTube or article?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FRvZRpzkmUg

Huh???

And here is Floyd using the same "facts" you did.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t9V1wkNKxGs

Man I gotta get back to mixing this record. Break is over.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

lol of course he got bigger he was only 98 pounds and 4'11 when he turned pro as a teenager! He had to put weights in his pockets to make the minimum 105-pound weight limit, he was literally a poor kid living on the streets when he turned pro. This is why when he finally did start growing, he couldn't even make the 112 pound class anymore, lost his title on the scales because he obviously out grew his teenage body, then moved up two weight classes.

Just to compare, Mayweather was fighting at 106 pounds when he was 16 years old in 1993. Same exact weight as Pacquiao when Pacquiao was 16 years old. Difference is Mayweather had the luxury of fighting in the amateur division when he was a teenager, whereas Pac literally had to fight to eat.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t9V1wkNKxGs

Man I gotta get back to mixing this record. Break is over.

This is definitely one of the most cringe worthy, embarrassing rants Floyd ever had. My god he sounds sounds so retarded. First he doesn't realize when foreign fighters fight in America they are taxed by America lol, where was Pac in 1996, 1997? He was a world champion during all those years lol. His head got bigger if you look at the pictures from when he was 16 and 4'11 compared to his 30's? really you don't say?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Lets see what the Pactards say about this one.

They are both now on camera saying they want the fight next so no excuses make it happen!!! . only part I'm concerned with was when he said he offered 40 million before, then Pac lost twice, so if he's asking for the same amount " that's not going to happen" does that mean he wants Pac to get less than 40 million? hope not because that would kill the fight probably. Regardless it's good to see Floyd actually talking about it mostly positively.

 

[battle619]

@T-Rip There is nothing to say about this interview. This is nothing new. They have both called out eachother before. If you listen to this interview as opposed to getting excited, he's clearly worried about how much money Manny is making over how much he is making. Now, name one fighter that he can get $100 mill for fighting against? He needs to worry about his own business, as he clearly does not understand that fighting anyone else on Cinco de Mayo weekend against a GBP/TR/HBO ppv will hurt his numbers bigtime.