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Actually he does have some type of company as there would be no way for him to do what he does and not get hit by the IRS.
Yes he has enough fighters to start his own promotion company or boxing league. You are saying he won't do it and can't do it but you have no proof of either. There is, however, proof of Haymon going in his own direction, shaping the landscape of boxing and looking outside of the sho/hbo markets. Simply saying "he can't do it" and whatever elaw you are saying doesn't line up with the facts.
Yes he has enough fighters to start his own promotion company or boxing league. You are saying he won't do it and can't do it but you have no proof of either. There is, however, proof of Haymon going in his own direction, shaping the landscape of boxing and looking outside of the sho/hbo markets. Simply saying "he can't do it" and whatever elaw you are saying doesn't line up with the facts.
well Dirrell signed with 50 cent who turned out to be a disaster.
Of course guys aren't bad mouthing Haymon when he's getting guys big paydays for Fighting Rod Salka's! It's like you're at your job and ur boss throws a thousand dollars on the table and says "here's some cash for showing up late yesterday and turning in a mediocre report". Of course you're gonna love the guy. But is he good for the company as a whole?
And that's what I've been saying. Up till now, he's been horrible for the sport of boxing. He's apparently got a real nice opportunity with another network, I hope he doesn't fuck it up. But I can only go by his track record which has always been get maximum paydays for his fighters versus the weakest opposition possible.
Of course guys aren't bad mouthing Haymon when he's getting guys big paydays for Fighting Rod Salka's! It's like you're at your job and ur boss throws a thousand dollars on the table and says "here's some cash for showing up late yesterday and turning in a mediocre report". Of course you're gonna love the guy. But is he good for the company as a whole?
And that's what I've been saying. Up till now, he's been horrible for the sport of boxing. He's apparently got a real nice opportunity with another network, I hope he doesn't fuck it up. But I can only go by his track record which has always been get maximum paydays for his fighters versus the weakest opposition possible.
Sergey Kovalev: The new era of the light heavyweight division
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sergey kovalev 2 bernard hopkins photoBy Wilmar Patino (Boxings Finest): First off I want to Congratulate Sergey Kovalev for a brilliant fight vs the ageless wonder Bernard Hopkins. As someone who has been following Sergey Kovalev since his days on NBC Sports back when he dismantled and KO’d Gabriel Campillo ( A former light heavyweight champion). I would like to give him credit for taking this fight and proving to the naysayers that he is more than just a puncher. I would also like to thank Hopkins for taking this fight and for giving us an exciting 12th round by giving his best in the closing round of a much anticipated fight.
With that being said I have read a lot of articles on here and seen a lot of love and respect being given to Hopkins for his career milestones and bravery coming into the fight. As well as some much deserved respect for his attempt at unifying the titles last night. Yet this article will be about a favorite fighter of mine Sergey “Krusher” Kovalev.
I feel inclined to write this article because I’ve been following him for a few years. I am currently working with him on some small projects and hope to continue being a part of his circle however small my part may be. In working with him I have researched a lot about him and his promotional team. What I can tell you is this, he is indeed a special fighter slowly climbing up the HBO ratings ladder and into our hearts and possibly boxing history. He’s surrounded by a good team with Kathy Duva the C.E.O. of Main Events as his promoter and John David Jackson his coach. As well as Egis Klimas his manager who all seem to truly want the best for him and also see the potential in a superstar with Sergey Kovalev.
Sergey Kovalev had a lengthy amateur record of 195 wins 18 losses. Since then he has been fighting anyone, anywhere and everywhere. He had a split decision win vs Darnell Boone who seemed to trouble him early in his career. Despite Darnell Boones unimpressive record you all should know about how Boone has been able to trouble just about everyone he’s faced and his opposition has been impressive none the less. A resume that consists of being the only man to knock down Andre Ward, Knock Out Adonis Stevenson, while fighting the likes of Gabriel Rosado, Brian Vera, Erislandy Lara among others. You might remember I wrote an article not too long ago shedding light on the story of Darnell Boone. At the time Sergey couldn’t find a promoter so later on Kathy Duva took a chance on Kovalev. In order to sign to Main Events he had to get through Darnell Boone and win the rematch. Kovalev ended up Knocking Darnell Boone out in the 2nd round and became a member of the Main Events boxing roster.
From there he began a terrorizing reign knocking one opponent out after another. Fighting anyone who would be willing to step into the ring with him. Some were former champs, former top prospects, undefeated fighters, and others we never heard of. This (Bernard Hopkins) was a big step up for Sergey and he performed exceptionally well. He stuck to the game plan and conserved his energy to attempt knocking out Bernard Hopkins in the 12th and final round, knowing that if he gassed out in the process of looking for the knockout the fight was in the bag and over with. I said to myself if Sergey knocks him out that would be amazing, but if he could outbox him and dominate every round it would be far more impressive to me. Especially when you factor in that Kovalev has never gone the full 12 rounds. I believe he did just that and he might really be a special fighter.
Of course I don’t want to overly praise him, he still has a ways to go for us to categorize him as a great but for now he is taking steps towards the right direction. Sure he’s not a perfect technically sound fighter but he does have the equalizer in both hands more specifically his right. He also is good with his straight punches and has patience and composure in the ring. These are all good qualities of a fighter who can potentially become great. He showed us some shades of his Boxing IQ last night. I believe the ceiling is high with him and we can all look forward to a man who’s not afraid of fighting anyone and willing to entertain us with his skill and power. You may not have bought into him by now, but as someone who has been watching his moves for many years I feel his best is yet to come. He’s getting better every fight and John David Jackson seems to know how to come up with a good game plan for him and Kovalev knows how to execute it.
I believe with the love and support from his team and his long hard fought road to stardom that Sergey understands very clear who he is and what he is capable of. He understands the fundamentals and the road that lies ahead for true greatness. I pride myself in never being a biased writer but to tell you that i’m not being bias a bit right now would be a lie. Maybe its because of my personal investment in Kovalev as a boxer and friend I may come off as being bias and that’s ok. I like to think that I just knew about his potential all along and felt he had a bright future coming. So I did what I could to be a part of some boxing history if there’s history to be made. We still have some questions to be answered by Sergey Kovalev, but last night was the first of many where he gave us a satisfying reply.
I don’t know what you think of Sergey Kovalev right now, and maybe you’re more concerned with the legacy of Bernard Hopkins and what this fight meant to him and his career. As for me I’m more concerned about Sergey Kovalev and his future in Boxing. This was the first major event that gave us some hope in ending the cold war and if it does end I’d like to think Kovalev and his team had a little something to do with it too although Hopkins was the main reason it happened. We will have to wait and see what the future holds for Sergey Kovalev and the Light heavyweight division. If ever the fans needed someone to vouch for the new unified champion let me say that I do and I believe Sergey Kovalev will be the future of the Light Heavyweight division at a time where the division seems to be heating up. Sergey Kovalev is the unified champion who can reign for a long long time. Sky is the limit!
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sergey kovalev 2 bernard hopkins photoBy Wilmar Patino (Boxings Finest): First off I want to Congratulate Sergey Kovalev for a brilliant fight vs the ageless wonder Bernard Hopkins. As someone who has been following Sergey Kovalev since his days on NBC Sports back when he dismantled and KO’d Gabriel Campillo ( A former light heavyweight champion). I would like to give him credit for taking this fight and proving to the naysayers that he is more than just a puncher. I would also like to thank Hopkins for taking this fight and for giving us an exciting 12th round by giving his best in the closing round of a much anticipated fight.
With that being said I have read a lot of articles on here and seen a lot of love and respect being given to Hopkins for his career milestones and bravery coming into the fight. As well as some much deserved respect for his attempt at unifying the titles last night. Yet this article will be about a favorite fighter of mine Sergey “Krusher” Kovalev.
I feel inclined to write this article because I’ve been following him for a few years. I am currently working with him on some small projects and hope to continue being a part of his circle however small my part may be. In working with him I have researched a lot about him and his promotional team. What I can tell you is this, he is indeed a special fighter slowly climbing up the HBO ratings ladder and into our hearts and possibly boxing history. He’s surrounded by a good team with Kathy Duva the C.E.O. of Main Events as his promoter and John David Jackson his coach. As well as Egis Klimas his manager who all seem to truly want the best for him and also see the potential in a superstar with Sergey Kovalev.
Sergey Kovalev had a lengthy amateur record of 195 wins 18 losses. Since then he has been fighting anyone, anywhere and everywhere. He had a split decision win vs Darnell Boone who seemed to trouble him early in his career. Despite Darnell Boones unimpressive record you all should know about how Boone has been able to trouble just about everyone he’s faced and his opposition has been impressive none the less. A resume that consists of being the only man to knock down Andre Ward, Knock Out Adonis Stevenson, while fighting the likes of Gabriel Rosado, Brian Vera, Erislandy Lara among others. You might remember I wrote an article not too long ago shedding light on the story of Darnell Boone. At the time Sergey couldn’t find a promoter so later on Kathy Duva took a chance on Kovalev. In order to sign to Main Events he had to get through Darnell Boone and win the rematch. Kovalev ended up Knocking Darnell Boone out in the 2nd round and became a member of the Main Events boxing roster.
From there he began a terrorizing reign knocking one opponent out after another. Fighting anyone who would be willing to step into the ring with him. Some were former champs, former top prospects, undefeated fighters, and others we never heard of. This (Bernard Hopkins) was a big step up for Sergey and he performed exceptionally well. He stuck to the game plan and conserved his energy to attempt knocking out Bernard Hopkins in the 12th and final round, knowing that if he gassed out in the process of looking for the knockout the fight was in the bag and over with. I said to myself if Sergey knocks him out that would be amazing, but if he could outbox him and dominate every round it would be far more impressive to me. Especially when you factor in that Kovalev has never gone the full 12 rounds. I believe he did just that and he might really be a special fighter.
Of course I don’t want to overly praise him, he still has a ways to go for us to categorize him as a great but for now he is taking steps towards the right direction. Sure he’s not a perfect technically sound fighter but he does have the equalizer in both hands more specifically his right. He also is good with his straight punches and has patience and composure in the ring. These are all good qualities of a fighter who can potentially become great. He showed us some shades of his Boxing IQ last night. I believe the ceiling is high with him and we can all look forward to a man who’s not afraid of fighting anyone and willing to entertain us with his skill and power. You may not have bought into him by now, but as someone who has been watching his moves for many years I feel his best is yet to come. He’s getting better every fight and John David Jackson seems to know how to come up with a good game plan for him and Kovalev knows how to execute it.
I believe with the love and support from his team and his long hard fought road to stardom that Sergey understands very clear who he is and what he is capable of. He understands the fundamentals and the road that lies ahead for true greatness. I pride myself in never being a biased writer but to tell you that i’m not being bias a bit right now would be a lie. Maybe its because of my personal investment in Kovalev as a boxer and friend I may come off as being bias and that’s ok. I like to think that I just knew about his potential all along and felt he had a bright future coming. So I did what I could to be a part of some boxing history if there’s history to be made. We still have some questions to be answered by Sergey Kovalev, but last night was the first of many where he gave us a satisfying reply.
I don’t know what you think of Sergey Kovalev right now, and maybe you’re more concerned with the legacy of Bernard Hopkins and what this fight meant to him and his career. As for me I’m more concerned about Sergey Kovalev and his future in Boxing. This was the first major event that gave us some hope in ending the cold war and if it does end I’d like to think Kovalev and his team had a little something to do with it too although Hopkins was the main reason it happened. We will have to wait and see what the future holds for Sergey Kovalev and the Light heavyweight division. If ever the fans needed someone to vouch for the new unified champion let me say that I do and I believe Sergey Kovalev will be the future of the Light Heavyweight division at a time where the division seems to be heating up. Sergey Kovalev is the unified champion who can reign for a long long time. Sky is the limit!
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Jermell Charlo: ‘I’m with Al Haymon and Golden Boy, I Have the Best of Both Worlds’
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By Mario Mungia November 9, 2014 4:44 pm
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Al Haymon is making a play of his own and that has left a vast majority of his fighters that were known to fight under the Golden Boy banner in an uncertain position. It would seem like all the time, money, and effort Golden Boy used to build Haymon fighters was done so in vain because they will likely fight under a different promotion in 2015.
There are some confusing aspects and it isn’t clear which fighters will jump right away and which fighters will continue to fight for GBP before being weaned off and onto another ship.
However, a few Haymon fighters remained signed to Golden Boy under long-term contracts.
One of those fighters is Houston resident Jermell Charlo, who is scheduled to fight for his first world title in December when he takes on Demetrius Andrade for a junior middleweight title.
Charlo is part of a small portion of Haymon fighters that is signed to Golden Boy, but he signed with Haymon just this past year and was already with Golden Boy, which explains why the situation is the way it is. While some might see that as a complicated scenario, but Charlo sees it as the best of both worlds.
“I’m with Al Haymon, I signed with Al Haymon at the beginning of 2014. I felt that I needed a little more help and that I needed to go a different route. I am with Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy Promotions, I’ve been with them for about seven years now. I’m with Al Haymon, I’m with Oscar. I got the best of both worlds to me,” Charlo said.
Jermell appears to be excited about a future with both De La Hoya and Haymon. Charlo is even more enthusiastic since De La Hoya took over at the helm in place of former CEO Richard Schaefer.
“Thank God that Oscar has stepped up to the plate and said he wanted to start working business, it just opened me up with a lot of different things. I know there is a lot going on in boxing, but my job is just to be a fighter and stay focused in the ring and the gym.”
Even with Charlo being signed to a lengthy contract, he is happy with Golden Boy and wouldn’t leave the company even if he could.
“That’s years from now (in regards to his contract expiration), I can’t predict the future. [Golden Boy] has treated me well.
There has been a lot of discussion over the past few months about Golden Boy and Al Haymon with the subject of race as the focal point. Some say that Haymon has shown a favoritism towards African American fighters, while others have criticized Golden Boy for how they handle their non-Latino fighters.
There is no real basis for these criticisms on either side and it is probably a tactic used by both De La Hoya and Haymon to lure other fighters away from their current situation.
Jermell has had to deal with these accusations, but his own personal experience with Golden Boy proves that race isn’t a factor in the Golden Boy business model.
“I know it’s a big thing about how they feel about black fighters and I hear a lot of people talking about this and that, but they’ve treated me well. I wish things could’ve been a little bit different, but I have no control over it and I’m finally getting my opportunity.”
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006-Charlo-vs-Rosado-victory-IMG_4012These are uncertain times for Golden Boy Promotions. Just this past year, the company, named after owner Oscar De La Hoya, was considered the leading promotional company in boxing with the most exciting young stable in the sport. Now, it seems as though their future is a bit uncertain and the state of the company as it pertains to the talent is in a state of peril.
Al Haymon is making a play of his own and that has left a vast majority of his fighters that were known to fight under the Golden Boy banner in an uncertain position. It would seem like all the time, money, and effort Golden Boy used to build Haymon fighters was done so in vain because they will likely fight under a different promotion in 2015.
There are some confusing aspects and it isn’t clear which fighters will jump right away and which fighters will continue to fight for GBP before being weaned off and onto another ship.
However, a few Haymon fighters remained signed to Golden Boy under long-term contracts.
One of those fighters is Houston resident Jermell Charlo, who is scheduled to fight for his first world title in December when he takes on Demetrius Andrade for a junior middleweight title.
Charlo is part of a small portion of Haymon fighters that is signed to Golden Boy, but he signed with Haymon just this past year and was already with Golden Boy, which explains why the situation is the way it is. While some might see that as a complicated scenario, but Charlo sees it as the best of both worlds.
“I’m with Al Haymon, I signed with Al Haymon at the beginning of 2014. I felt that I needed a little more help and that I needed to go a different route. I am with Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy Promotions, I’ve been with them for about seven years now. I’m with Al Haymon, I’m with Oscar. I got the best of both worlds to me,” Charlo said.
Jermell appears to be excited about a future with both De La Hoya and Haymon. Charlo is even more enthusiastic since De La Hoya took over at the helm in place of former CEO Richard Schaefer.
“Thank God that Oscar has stepped up to the plate and said he wanted to start working business, it just opened me up with a lot of different things. I know there is a lot going on in boxing, but my job is just to be a fighter and stay focused in the ring and the gym.”
Even with Charlo being signed to a lengthy contract, he is happy with Golden Boy and wouldn’t leave the company even if he could.
“That’s years from now (in regards to his contract expiration), I can’t predict the future. [Golden Boy] has treated me well.
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Jermell has had to deal with these accusations, but his own personal experience with Golden Boy proves that race isn’t a factor in the Golden Boy business model.
“I know it’s a big thing about how they feel about black fighters and I hear a lot of people talking about this and that, but they’ve treated me well. I wish things could’ve been a little bit different, but I have no control over it and I’m finally getting my opportunity.”
He most certainly cracks the top 10 after a performance like that.
Off the top of my head:
1). MAYWEATHER
2). RIGONDEAUX
3). PACQUIAO
4). JMM
5). BRADLEY
6). ROMAN GONZALEZ
7). KOVALEV
8). NICHOLAS WALTERS
9). CANELO
10). TERENCE CRAWFORD
*Andre Ward has been removed since he's been inactive for one year (Nov 16th) and as a result of his removal everyone else moves up
Off the top of my head:
1). MAYWEATHER
2). RIGONDEAUX
3). PACQUIAO
4). JMM
5). BRADLEY
6). ROMAN GONZALEZ
7). KOVALEV
8). NICHOLAS WALTERS
9). CANELO
10). TERENCE CRAWFORD
*Andre Ward has been removed since he's been inactive for one year (Nov 16th) and as a result of his removal everyone else moves up
You don't put Klitschko up there? For me personally it's hard to have a HW on the list but I think he's earned it.
you also don't have GGG, Froch, Cotto, Santa Cruz???? All the props in the world to dudes like JMM, Canelo, Kovalev and Crawford, but the guys I named have done a hell of a lot more in their career except for GGG but I think in terms of skill he should be on the list.
you also don't have GGG, Froch, Cotto, Santa Cruz???? All the props in the world to dudes like JMM, Canelo, Kovalev and Crawford, but the guys I named have done a hell of a lot more in their career except for GGG but I think in terms of skill he should be on the list.
No.
Pac is 2-2 in his last 4 while Bradley and JMM are 3-1. No way Pac should be higher than these guys. Kovalev, as impressive as his victory was over Hopkins, does not automatically get a 7 slot. In fact, he doesn't even make the list. Stevenson, across the board, has faced better competition. The same guy that gave Stevenson a loss gave Kovalev a draw but they both knocked him out in rematches. Stevenson is the lineal champ and wbc champ. So there is no way in hell, based on one fight, that Kovalev goes to the #7 slot. 10 if he is even on the list.
Pac is 2-2 in his last 4 while Bradley and JMM are 3-1. No way Pac should be higher than these guys. Kovalev, as impressive as his victory was over Hopkins, does not automatically get a 7 slot. In fact, he doesn't even make the list. Stevenson, across the board, has faced better competition. The same guy that gave Stevenson a loss gave Kovalev a draw but they both knocked him out in rematches. Stevenson is the lineal champ and wbc champ. So there is no way in hell, based on one fight, that Kovalev goes to the #7 slot. 10 if he is even on the list.
I don't put heavyweights on pound 4 pound lists anymore.
I'd love to put GGG on there trust me but he hasn't earned it yet (he will if he beats Murray in February).
Santa Cruz hasn't done shit he definately doesn't belong on the top 10.
Froch you can make a case for him.
Cotto imo, it's smoke & mirrors. He got beat by Floyd, then lost embarrassingly to Austin Trout. Beats a shot Sergio Martinez with two bad knees after a 14 month layoff or whatever it was doesn't do it for me. If he beats Canelo in May, yes of course. But in my mind, he's still the same Cotto who's been on the decline he just happened to catch Sergio Martinez at the perfect time (I had no idea how past it Sergio was before they fought, but it was clear in my mind that was a shell of Sergio Martinez in the ring that night).
I'd love to put GGG on there trust me but he hasn't earned it yet (he will if he beats Murray in February).
Santa Cruz hasn't done shit he definately doesn't belong on the top 10.
Froch you can make a case for him.
Cotto imo, it's smoke & mirrors. He got beat by Floyd, then lost embarrassingly to Austin Trout. Beats a shot Sergio Martinez with two bad knees after a 14 month layoff or whatever it was doesn't do it for me. If he beats Canelo in May, yes of course. But in my mind, he's still the same Cotto who's been on the decline he just happened to catch Sergio Martinez at the perfect time (I had no idea how past it Sergio was before they fought, but it was clear in my mind that was a shell of Sergio Martinez in the ring that night).
Pacquiao is 3-1 (I would never critisize a fighter for a blatantly bad decision. There is no way in hell Pacquiao lost to Bradley in the first fight). So, in my list, he's 2-0 versus Timothy Bradley, clearly making him ahead of Bradley on the p4p list.
As for Marquez, he did knock pacquiao the fuck out, but then he proceeded to lose to Bradley. So I don't care which way you put it, you can flip Pac with JMM but JMM lost to bradley who pac beat. Then it simply boils down to personal opinion.
haha you're blind spot for Stevenson is showing once again. Kovalev's dominant performance over Hopkins is better than anything Stevenson has done. Plus he's turning down big fights so he drops another spot. I'd put Danny Garcia ahead of Stevenson tbh.
I also clearly said "this is off the top of my head". I could easily shift a few guys around. Kovalev could be 8 or 9, doesn't really matter I think those are the top 10 guys the position isn't really relevant at the moment.
Feel free to make your own top 10, HAZEL simply asked "where would everyone put kovalev on the p4p list" and I listed my off the top my head personal list.
As for Marquez, he did knock pacquiao the fuck out, but then he proceeded to lose to Bradley. So I don't care which way you put it, you can flip Pac with JMM but JMM lost to bradley who pac beat. Then it simply boils down to personal opinion.
haha you're blind spot for Stevenson is showing once again. Kovalev's dominant performance over Hopkins is better than anything Stevenson has done. Plus he's turning down big fights so he drops another spot. I'd put Danny Garcia ahead of Stevenson tbh.
I also clearly said "this is off the top of my head". I could easily shift a few guys around. Kovalev could be 8 or 9, doesn't really matter I think those are the top 10 guys the position isn't really relevant at the moment.
Feel free to make your own top 10, HAZEL simply asked "where would everyone put kovalev on the p4p list" and I listed my off the top my head personal list.
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So we aren't going by the official records?
And Bradley had a win over Pac.
I have no problem with Danny in front of Stevenson. As for Hopkins, yes, it was a masterful performance against a 50 year old man. You remove Hopkins and Stevenson has better competition across the board. You remove Hopkins and you have the Fighter of the Year and Knock out of the year in Stevenson.
So there is no way Kovalev gets a #7 slot when these two guys are basically equal. You didn't put Stevenson in the top ten when he knocked out Dawson and butchered Cloud did you? What did Kovalev do up until that point?
And Bradley had a win over Pac.
I have no problem with Danny in front of Stevenson. As for Hopkins, yes, it was a masterful performance against a 50 year old man. You remove Hopkins and Stevenson has better competition across the board. You remove Hopkins and you have the Fighter of the Year and Knock out of the year in Stevenson.
So there is no way Kovalev gets a #7 slot when these two guys are basically equal. You didn't put Stevenson in the top ten when he knocked out Dawson and butchered Cloud did you? What did Kovalev do up until that point?
I could have sworn it also had to do with p4p. If not, my bad.
And yeah, he fought a fighter ranked at 17 and all of a sudden it's "Cotto is back yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" You didn't say that but others did.
And yeah, he fought a fighter ranked at 17 and all of a sudden it's "Cotto is back yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" You didn't say that but others did.
Props:
2-0-Sixx and 2-0-Sixx
Trying to be objective, Dawson schooled Bhop first, and Stevenson KO1'd Dawson. Obviously he lost to Ward in between those fights, but still.
I give Kovalev a ton of credit for the win, but that doesn't catapult him into the top 10 p4p. The rest of his resume is terrible man.
I look at the p4p by resume and skill. I'm weary of putting Cotto high on the list, but he belongs there more than Kovalev.
I give Kovalev a ton of credit for the win, but that doesn't catapult him into the top 10 p4p. The rest of his resume is terrible man.
I look at the p4p by resume and skill. I'm weary of putting Cotto high on the list, but he belongs there more than Kovalev.
Props:
HERESY and HERESY
With pound 4 pound lists, The Ring Magazine, ESPN, etc. do not take official records if they believe the decisions were terrible. For DIVISIONAL rankings and BELTS (including the lineal belt), obviously they go by official records. But if you have a fight where 99.99% of boxing writers, experts, plus public all believe fighter A won despite fighter B getting the gift decision, that doesn't effect a pound 4 pound poll (which has never been an official anything set in stone, simply opinions on who they think are the best 10 fighters in the sport).
I think outside of Hopkins their resumes are very similar:
Kovalev beat Campillo, Cleverly, Caparello, Sillah, Agnew
Stevenson beat Fonfara, Bellew, Cloud, Dawson
Very, very similar. Dawson would have been a good win if not for the fact he got the shit beat out of him the fight before by Andre Ward and knocked out, and has looked like shit ever since.
So obviously the Hopkins fight is the deciding factor. Kovalev is above Stevenson because the Hopkins win is better than anyone Stevenson has beat.
See above. Cloud another good point, he was coming off a schooling from Bernard Hopkins.
I think outside of Hopkins their resumes are very similar:
Kovalev beat Campillo, Cleverly, Caparello, Sillah, Agnew
Stevenson beat Fonfara, Bellew, Cloud, Dawson
Very, very similar. Dawson would have been a good win if not for the fact he got the shit beat out of him the fight before by Andre Ward and knocked out, and has looked like shit ever since.
So obviously the Hopkins fight is the deciding factor. Kovalev is above Stevenson because the Hopkins win is better than anyone Stevenson has beat.
See above. Cloud another good point, he was coming off a schooling from Bernard Hopkins.