Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

How do you know what kind of contracts fighters sign? Keith Thurman may have had his reasons to reject Roc Nation, though it is a lot of money.

Because th3 contract forms have been leaked and I posted them in this thread. ALL decisions must be approved by Al Haymon. He has 100% control of the fight. 100%.

And why should a fighter care more about the sport than his health and money? It's not like they are in the NFL, NBA or MLB, where it's all under one association. Everyone is on their own in boxing, with several promoters. It's not up to the fighters to keep the sport popular. I'm sure they're main focus is to make money and put food on the table for their family, not keep the sport popular.

Do you care more about a fighters bank account or the sport as a whole?

Haymon fighters of this generation solely look for the path to greatness with the least resistance which is why fighters of yesteryear are held to such a higher regard because they fought "Whoever, whenever, wherever, however " and didn't use the negotiating table as a tactic to squander potentially GREAT fights.

Can you imagine if SRR turned down a fight with Jake Lamotta because Jake didn't sell enough tickets at the gate in his previous fight before their first encounter?

The point is too many fighters want to be labled great but don't want to take the hard road to greatness by fighting the best at their best no questions asked. Instead, it's about preserving their "0" while collecting the most money possible short changing fans in the process, not to mentioning destroying the sport.

It's their health they put on the line every time they step in the ring, so for you to criticize as a fan for signing with Al Haymon or any business decisions they feel are best for them, is pretty damn retarded. Like I said, I understand as a fan we get frustrated. But this isn't a fuckin tennis match, it's boxing where in one punch their health can change.

No, it's pretty damn retarded to not see the sport is declining because the best aren't fighting the best and we are being force fed lame cards. Like I said, there will be LESS money in the long run as a result.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Haymon isnt a promoter though, just an advisor.

Do some research and look at his contracts. He is clearly a manager under the title of personal advisor. This is why he's under investigation by the feds.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

I see what you guys are saying, but take your fan shoes off and put on a fighters shoes...what would you do?

 

[battle619]

He's the worst adviser if you ask me. Imagine influencing Lara to fight Canelo for a non-title fight in comparison to him being a 154 title holder and mandatory to Floyd and pressuring that situation. Now, he lost to Canelo and will never see a Floyd fight and will never see the money he had the potential to make. IMO, if he fought Canelo at 154 and it was for Lara's title, Lara would have won. Good advising, Uncle Al! That's from a fighters' perspective and not a fans' I hope

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I see what you guys are saying, but take your fan shoes off and put on a fighters shoes...what would you do?

You're still missing the point. He's damaging the sport. There will be LESS money in the long run. I mean, if you want to be a fan of a boxing manager over the health of the sport, ok that's pretty weird but that's on you. Me? I want the sport to grow and thrive and more fighters make more money as a whole. You're looking at it short sighted. Look at Gary Russell Jr. His 20 something tune up fights, while getting him decent money ended up backfiring. If he fought the right way, fought step up fights and climbed the ranks, he'd probably be a better fighter and make bigger future paydays. the Haymon plan of crap fights for good money hurt his career.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

How many big fights was Lara getting before the Canelo fight? People were ducking the guy, and his style doesn't sell. He made his biggest payday of his life vs canelo and had a chance to blow up had he won that fight. I'm sure he was happy about the payday and opportunity.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

You're still missing the point. He's damaging the sport. There will be LESS money in the long run. I mean, if you want to be a fan of a boxing manager over the health of the sport, ok that's pretty weird but that's on you. Me? I want the sport to grow and thrive and more fighters make more money as a whole. You're looking at it short sighted. Look at Gary Russell Jr. His 20 something tune up fights, while getting him decent money ended up backfiring. If he fought the right way, fought step up fights and climbed the ranks, he'd probably be a better fighter and make bigger future paydays. the Haymon plan of crap fights for good money hurt his career.

Nah man, my point is boxing is how it is and fighters deal with the cards their dealt. It's not on them to change the sport from what it's become, I'm sure that's the last thing on their mind. They are making a living.

 

[battle619]

How much do you think he would have made for sticking to his guns, fought Canelo at 154 and beat him, then getting a Floyd fight and win that? He could have easily done that

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

How much do you think he would have made for sticking to his guns, fought Canelo at 154 and beat him, then getting a Floyd fight and win that? He could have easily done that

Easily? You know how the sport is, he got an opportunity and took it. What if he fought someone else and lost? Sticking with his guns had obviously not worked out, seeing as he was already one of the best in his class yet still hadn't gotten any big fights.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Entire Haymon contract is on page 33.
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Media-Img-2/Complaint.pdf

Important language in Haymon’s form contract reads: “During the Term of this Agreement, ATHLETE agrees to render services solely and exclusively for ADVISOR and agrees that he will not take part in or negotiate for any professional boxing contest whatsoever without first obtaining the written approval of ADVISOR."

Haymon's form contract provides for no minimum number of bouts per year and no minimum purse figures.
That is why Quillin, Thurman, Wilder could not accept deals from Roc Nation.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Nah man, my point is boxing is how it is and fighters deal with the cards their dealt. It's not on them to change the sport from what it's become, I'm sure that's the last thing on their mind. They are making a living.

Im not putting it on the fighter, my entire argument is Haymon is bad for the sport.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

They signed the contract, they weren't forced to sign at gunpoint. They obviously felt it was best for their careers so they did it.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Im not putting it on the fighter, my entire argument is Haymon is bad for the sport.

My argument is that haymon didn't turn the sport into what it is right now. When you live in Rome...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

My argument is that haymon didn't turn the sport into what it is right now. When you live in Rome...

and my argument is he's certainly making it worse

 

[2-0-Sixx]

They signed the contract, they weren't forced to sign at gunpoint. They obviously felt it was best for their careers so they did it.

you asked how I know what's in the contract and I posted it for u

 

[battle619]

He's enslaving his fighters mentally and stopping big fights and big paydays from happening so yes he is the reason why the sport is where it is

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Nah man, my point is boxing is how it is and fighters deal with the cards their dealt. It's not on them to change the sport from what it's become, I'm sure that's the last thing on their mind. They are making a living.

And time will tell how many of these guys with Haymon made the right choice. Will it be better for Thurman to have turned down $6 million from Roc Nation? Will it be better for Quillin to drop his title and turn down $1.9m for a single fight? Will it be better for Wilder to have turned down a multimillion dollar contract for 5 years be good for him? If Wilder gets KTFO in his next fight, will the cash be rolling in for him? But if he didn't turn down that offer, he could get KTFO his next 5 fights and he would have been guaranteed that money, he would have been making millions and had security even of he turns out to be a bum. It's a risky move for these guys but they had no say because of Haymon.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

I see your point man, but it's their choice to sign with haymon. They did it for a reason.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I see your point man, but it's their choice to sign with haymon. They did it for a reason.

it's the same reason any one signs with anyone - they think that person or company will do the best for them. It isn't always peachy for Haymon fighters though. Keith Thurman recently spoke out about his frustrations with Haymon getting him fights (only to later say he's happy with Haymon lol). If you look at the very long list of Haymon fighters, a lot of them aren't getting paid much. Maybe a lot of people moved over there because they saw what he was doing for his top guys at them time, only to realize later it's only the top guys getting paid.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

That's the sport of boxing at the moment for you, if it isn't haymon taking advantage of fighters, it's someone else. If I was a fighter, I still rather be with haymon than anyone else.