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How does it not explain the rule? All you have to do is be the champ and move up in weight. Aside from that you don't DO anything. I didn't go back and start covering my tracks when I was the one who mentioned it first by saying all he did to get the shot was MOVE UP IN WEIGHT. Moving up in weight (along with being a champ) is the PREREQUISITE to even getting that type of fight. He did NOTHING in that weight class to EARN the fight.
Doesn't matter if he trained him or not but the fact he said it speaks volumes. Doesn't matter if he said it early or late. I am sure Floyd's dad probably told him "you will be champ" at whatever weight class.
And since you are the biggest Hopkins fan in the history of the sport, do us all a favor and tell us what weight class he started out at. And then tell us what weight class Tito started out at. AH HA! You see it now?
Yes, genius, he was a MW when he fought Hopkins but was he a natural mw? HELL NO! Yes, he was MW with only ONE mw fight under his belt while Hopkins was a MW with YEARS in the division and many MW title defenses. Do NOT try to make it seem like Tito was some MW beast because he wasn't.
Doesn't matter if he trained him or not but the fact he said it speaks volumes. Doesn't matter if he said it early or late. I am sure Floyd's dad probably told him "you will be champ" at whatever weight class.
And since you are the biggest Hopkins fan in the history of the sport, do us all a favor and tell us what weight class he started out at. And then tell us what weight class Tito started out at. AH HA! You see it now?
Yes, genius, he was a MW when he fought Hopkins but was he a natural mw? HELL NO! Yes, he was MW with only ONE mw fight under his belt while Hopkins was a MW with YEARS in the division and many MW title defenses. Do NOT try to make it seem like Tito was some MW beast because he wasn't.
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Broner vs. Collazo possible for Mayweather-Maidana undercard on May 3rd
By Allan Fox: “Little Mayweather,” Adrien Broner (27-1, 22 KO’s) vs. former WBA welterweight champion Luis Collazo (35-5, 18 KO’s) is possible for the May 3rd undercard headlined by Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Marcos Maidana on Showtime pay-per-view. Broner asked his fans on his twitter if he should fight on the undercard, and he obviously was looking for some kind of interest.
Broner had been hoping to face Maidana in a rematch to avenge his loss to him from last December, but Maidana chose the more lucrative fight with Mayweather. Broner and Maidana could still end up fighting later this year with or without Maidana’s WBA 147 lb title. Whether Maidana has the WBA title or not, Broner needs to face him and try to avenge his loss so that he can erase the loss and show that he’s still the future of boxing like he’d been talking about.
Collazo is the perfect opponent for Broner, because he’s coming off of a big 2nd round TKO win over former WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz from last January. Collazo nailed Ortiz with a big hook that hurt him. Collazo then finished him Ortiz with a couple of shots after Ortiz turned his back on him. That was by far the biggest win for the 32-year-old Collazo since his victory over Jose Antonio Rivera in 2005 to capture the WBA welterweight title. Collazo was robbed in fights against Ricky Hatton and Andre Berto in losing fights that he appeared to win.
Broner can’t afford a loss to Collazo, and he’s going to have to look much better than he did against Maidana and in his fight against Paulie Malignaggi. Collazo can punch a little, and he might be a better inside fighter than Broner. If Broner thinks this is going to be an easy fihgt, he could be sadly mistaken because Collazo is still a dangerous fighter, as we saw in the Ortiz bout.
By Allan Fox: “Little Mayweather,” Adrien Broner (27-1, 22 KO’s) vs. former WBA welterweight champion Luis Collazo (35-5, 18 KO’s) is possible for the May 3rd undercard headlined by Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Marcos Maidana on Showtime pay-per-view. Broner asked his fans on his twitter if he should fight on the undercard, and he obviously was looking for some kind of interest.
Broner had been hoping to face Maidana in a rematch to avenge his loss to him from last December, but Maidana chose the more lucrative fight with Mayweather. Broner and Maidana could still end up fighting later this year with or without Maidana’s WBA 147 lb title. Whether Maidana has the WBA title or not, Broner needs to face him and try to avenge his loss so that he can erase the loss and show that he’s still the future of boxing like he’d been talking about.
Collazo is the perfect opponent for Broner, because he’s coming off of a big 2nd round TKO win over former WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz from last January. Collazo nailed Ortiz with a big hook that hurt him. Collazo then finished him Ortiz with a couple of shots after Ortiz turned his back on him. That was by far the biggest win for the 32-year-old Collazo since his victory over Jose Antonio Rivera in 2005 to capture the WBA welterweight title. Collazo was robbed in fights against Ricky Hatton and Andre Berto in losing fights that he appeared to win.
Broner can’t afford a loss to Collazo, and he’s going to have to look much better than he did against Maidana and in his fight against Paulie Malignaggi. Collazo can punch a little, and he might be a better inside fighter than Broner. If Broner thinks this is going to be an easy fihgt, he could be sadly mistaken because Collazo is still a dangerous fighter, as we saw in the Ortiz bout.
You are implying the only reason, or main reason, Hopkins beat Trinidad is because of size. We already know that's not the case. You already admitted it was a "great" win for Hopkins. You're arguing me on what level of greatness? Lol. Super duper great or just regular great? Waste of time as we all agree it's a great win. Tito was p4p #1, undefeated, 7-1 favorite, etc etc etc.
Next you're going to tell me Hopkins was a natural LHW even though he weighed in always under 160- 156, 157, 158 for well over a decade. So if this is true Hopkins went undefeated for over ten years while completely weight drained? lol that's astonishing!
Yes if you read what I wrote I already stated Hopkins first fight, months after being released from prison, he was heavy. He lost that fight, got a real trainer, went to a real gym, worked on his craft for two years while shedding pounds and getting into shape before fighting again. This isn't uncommon. Sillah often came in as a cruisweight early in his career cuz he didn't have to make weight and they are unranked fights. That didn't make him a natural cruiserweight. Timothy Bradley fought at junior middleweight for years in the amateurs but lost weight and turned pro at 140 and later 147. Doesn't mean he's a natural junior middleweight.
Next you're going to tell me Hopkins was a natural LHW even though he weighed in always under 160- 156, 157, 158 for well over a decade. So if this is true Hopkins went undefeated for over ten years while completely weight drained? lol that's astonishing!
Yes if you read what I wrote I already stated Hopkins first fight, months after being released from prison, he was heavy. He lost that fight, got a real trainer, went to a real gym, worked on his craft for two years while shedding pounds and getting into shape before fighting again. This isn't uncommon. Sillah often came in as a cruisweight early in his career cuz he didn't have to make weight and they are unranked fights. That didn't make him a natural cruiserweight. Timothy Bradley fought at junior middleweight for years in the amateurs but lost weight and turned pro at 140 and later 147. Doesn't mean he's a natural junior middleweight.
WRONG! Why the fuck do I have to keep telling you to start reading? R-E-A-D NIGGA! GODDAMN!
You have Tito with ONE fuckin fight as a MW under his belt. You have Hopkins who made a career at MW. One has at least a DECADE and 20+ fights of experience and defending the title. The other? One fight.
Of course we do, see above.
And I'm sure if Hopkins had fought all the tough mw and super mw guys that he COULD have fought he would probably have been ranked 1. The point is, however, Tito should not have been in the ring. That is like saying Floyd should move up and fight GGG or Ward. "Yeah, Floyd can do it, because he is the #1 P4P, Undefeated, ppv king, blah blah blah." See THAT is the type of shit you are on.
He is a natural LHW. Hopkins started his career at LHW and was a grown fuckin man. What was he 23 or 24 years old? He was already grown. Tito? Turned pro at what 17 or 18? 140lbs?
No, he's just one of those people who has a frame/body that can go both ways. Hearns is a prime example of this and so is Holyfield. Bernard is no exception either.
From 1990 to 2006 Hopkins stayed in ONE weight class. Focus on that instead of constantly introducing side bar shit that has nothing to do with anything.
You have Tito with ONE fuckin fight as a MW under his belt. You have Hopkins who made a career at MW. One has at least a DECADE and 20+ fights of experience and defending the title. The other? One fight.
Of course we do, see above.
And I'm sure if Hopkins had fought all the tough mw and super mw guys that he COULD have fought he would probably have been ranked 1. The point is, however, Tito should not have been in the ring. That is like saying Floyd should move up and fight GGG or Ward. "Yeah, Floyd can do it, because he is the #1 P4P, Undefeated, ppv king, blah blah blah." See THAT is the type of shit you are on.
He is a natural LHW. Hopkins started his career at LHW and was a grown fuckin man. What was he 23 or 24 years old? He was already grown. Tito? Turned pro at what 17 or 18? 140lbs?
No, he's just one of those people who has a frame/body that can go both ways. Hearns is a prime example of this and so is Holyfield. Bernard is no exception either.
From 1990 to 2006 Hopkins stayed in ONE weight class. Focus on that instead of constantly introducing side bar shit that has nothing to do with anything.
Lol god damn you literally argue every point just for the sake of arguing. When Hopkins was in prison he fought as a middleweight, 160 pounds. When he was released from prison he got out of shape and came in heavy. He was not in fighting shape. 1988, as Hopkins said was the last time he took a sip of alcohol. Wheb he was released from prison he drank, ate whatever (who wouldn't after being in the joint for 5 years). He took a fight within months, lost a four rounder and realized its time to get serious. He took two years off, got back into shape and worked on his craft. Being a "natural" light heavyweight is different than being out of fighting shape as Hopkins was, which is clear being that he lost to Clintin Mitchell, an absolute no name nobody who only fought 4 times. No one has ever heard of him only that Hopkins lost to him.
And Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard had zero fights at 160 when they fought Hagler we are going in circles. A great win is a great win, period.
16 years at middleweight makes him a fucking natural middleweight. Jesus Christ. If he wasn't a natural MW there is no way he could stay there for 16 years. Thats longer than most fighters entire careers. Hopkins also stayed in shape year roundalways staying around fighting weight. Sure if he got fat and lazy he would weigh more lol Ricky Hatton weighed 190 pounds between fights doesn't make him a natural cruiserweight it meant he got fat and lazy!
16 years at middleweight makes him a fucking natural middleweight. Jesus Christ. If he wasn't a natural MW there is no way he could stay there for 16 years. Thats longer than most fighters entire careers. Hopkins also stayed in shape year roundalways staying around fighting weight. Sure if he got fat and lazy he would weigh more lol Ricky Hatton weighed 190 pounds between fights doesn't make him a natural cruiserweight it meant he got fat and lazy!
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When was the last time you had a good one in the GOM?
Again you are proving my point. Hopkins had time to develop and fight at MW. That my friend is what you keep forgetting. Tito had what? One fight.
Yes, zero fights but Hearns could fight comfortably at a higher weight (as proven by his record) and with Leonard there were other things done to make them on an even playing field. Ring size, glove size, etc. And you keep thinking I am taking away from Hopkins and his performance that night but I am not. What I am ultimately saying is that Tito was not the MW people thought he was. So if he is not the MW that he was hyped up to be you have to look at things from an objective pov.
A natural middleweight who fought there for 16 years against a guy who spent the majority of his career fighting two weight classes BELOW and who only had ONE fight as a mw.
Thanks for playing. Reminds me of the old GOM days where I would butcher you. :dead:
Again you are proving my point. Hopkins had time to develop and fight at MW. That my friend is what you keep forgetting. Tito had what? One fight.
Yes, zero fights but Hearns could fight comfortably at a higher weight (as proven by his record) and with Leonard there were other things done to make them on an even playing field. Ring size, glove size, etc. And you keep thinking I am taking away from Hopkins and his performance that night but I am not. What I am ultimately saying is that Tito was not the MW people thought he was. So if he is not the MW that he was hyped up to be you have to look at things from an objective pov.
A natural middleweight who fought there for 16 years against a guy who spent the majority of his career fighting two weight classes BELOW and who only had ONE fight as a mw.
Thanks for playing. Reminds me of the old GOM days where I would butcher you. :dead:
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No, the point was Hopkins was out if shape for his first fight in '88 and he was not a natural LHW.
Ring size and glove size shouldn't have mattered for Hagler fighting a guy coming straight from welterweight and a three year layoff. The problem was Hagler was a fool and believed Leonard wasn't in there to try and win. Hagler told everyone he could beat Leonard so easy he'll fight him southpaw. So Hagler fought the first four rounds southpaw and gave those rounds away, so he's down 0-4 right off the bat. Leonard out hussled Hagler and boxed, stole rounds etc. Hagler got tricked into thinking it would be a walk in the park easy KO.
Anyways, fact is Leonard had zero fights at MW, 3 year layoff. Tito had several fights at JMW and one at MW.
Again, if Hopkins didn't exist Tito would have been Undisputed MW champ. He beat Joppy, there is no doubt he would have beat Keith Holmes, the other contenders at that time were all winnable fights for Tito. He would have been fucked eventually though when Winky moved up (prime or past prime Winky, imo, always bests him).
This didn't change SRL and Hearns vs Hagler. Hagler was a career MW - spent his entire career there. Three epic fights against smaller guys Hearns, Leonard, Duran. His two best wins (great wins).
No, the point was Hopkins was out if shape for his first fight in '88 and he was not a natural LHW.
Ring size and glove size shouldn't have mattered for Hagler fighting a guy coming straight from welterweight and a three year layoff. The problem was Hagler was a fool and believed Leonard wasn't in there to try and win. Hagler told everyone he could beat Leonard so easy he'll fight him southpaw. So Hagler fought the first four rounds southpaw and gave those rounds away, so he's down 0-4 right off the bat. Leonard out hussled Hagler and boxed, stole rounds etc. Hagler got tricked into thinking it would be a walk in the park easy KO.
Anyways, fact is Leonard had zero fights at MW, 3 year layoff. Tito had several fights at JMW and one at MW.
Again, if Hopkins didn't exist Tito would have been Undisputed MW champ. He beat Joppy, there is no doubt he would have beat Keith Holmes, the other contenders at that time were all winnable fights for Tito. He would have been fucked eventually though when Winky moved up (prime or past prime Winky, imo, always bests him).
This didn't change SRL and Hearns vs Hagler. Hagler was a career MW - spent his entire career there. Three epic fights against smaller guys Hearns, Leonard, Duran. His two best wins (great wins).
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I'll smoke everyone on that game! As long as I don't have to move up in weight to challenge the champ in my first fight in that weight class.
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I wonder how soon Winky would've moved up to fight Tito. He fought Shane the 2nd time in 2004, like 3 years after Tito lost to BHOP. Who knows what would've been of Tito's career if he stayed active that entire time. I wouldn't have been surprised if another MW knocked him out at the weight.
Totally unimportant side note, I met BHOP at the Tito/Mayorga fight. Crazy night at the garden!
Totally unimportant side note, I met BHOP at the Tito/Mayorga fight. Crazy night at the garden!
I know what you're saying but if you have to eat a very strict diet and work out like crazy to maintain a weight like that, you're not a "natural" Middleweight. Like Floyd walks around at 147ish, no matter what. He has to workout a certain way to get above 150 even. When I met Bhop, he was tiny man, looked like he would blow away if the wind was too strong. He looks like his normal weight at LHW to me personally.
That's normal for Hopkins though, that's his lifestyle for over 20 years. Like Hagler was the same way, a machine year round. He stayed in crazy good shape. Plenty of Light Heavyweights called out Hagler but he never moved up, he could have but MW was best for him. Plus you factor in what is "natural" for most Light Heavyweights. These guys walk around 190-200 pounds and cut weight. It's like that in all the divisions besides HW. Can't fault guys like Hopkins, Floyd, Hagler, etc who stay in crazy good shape year round. Plus when you met Hopkins that was what, 2004-2005? So he was 38 or 39 years old.
He's always been skinny you look at him younger like when he fought Glen Johnson for example skinny legs arms
He's always been skinny you look at him younger like when he fought Glen Johnson for example skinny legs arms
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no, he was like deathly thin man lol Hagler was also 4 inches shorter than BHOP. He was a natural MW.
btw, I'm not trying to argue this point. In terms of boxing, I think you can argue that Hopkins was more of a natural MW than LHW but in terms of life, no way was he a natural MW if that makes sense.
btw, I'm not trying to argue this point. In terms of boxing, I think you can argue that Hopkins was more of a natural MW than LHW but in terms of life, no way was he a natural MW if that makes sense.
