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[Coach E. No]

I think Tarver was more from losing a grip of weight and muscle more than anything. He was never the same. Reflexes looked like crap after that, punching power gone, the whole nine yards. That's not Bhop's fault though. People thought BHOP was going to get killed moving up that much in weight and fighting Tarver.

Everyone thought Pavlik was going to KO Bhop too, he just flat out schooled him. There was no real blueprint on how to beat Pavlik yet. I think that was Bhop's best performance and win. I had that poster hanging up in my garage until about 2 weeks ago when the damn Oklahoma wind blew down like 6 of my boxing posters.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Tarver didn't say weight was a problem, he actually said someone poisoned him lol (old Klitschko excuse). He was coming off wins over Roy Jones and Glen Johnson. Is it a coincidence all these guys have their worst performances ever? Glen Johnson, only time in his career he was stopped. Joe Lipsey 25-0 and a fantastic amateur, KOd, never fought again. Echols, Pascal, etc. Even guys that "beat" him like Calzaghe had the worst fight of his career. The one guy that beat him legit, Superman prime Roy Jones looked ordinary. Oh except Chad Dawson though, he didn't look bad that was just too much youth and speed for a 47 year old.

 

[Coach E. No]

I'm talking about after making the Rocky Balboa movie. He bulked up quite a bit man. He was like 220 for that movie if I'm not mistaken. That's quite a bit of weight to take off, especially when you've added a lot of muscle. That's likely a lot of what Roy Jones Jr's problem was too. He went up to about 200lbs, with a lot of that being muscle, then dropped back down.

Hopkins is a great fighter and tough to look good against, no question, no matter who they are.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I know exactly what you're referring to (Rocky movie). The weight inflated as time went on. First he weighed 190 (which is what he walks around anyway) then 200 then 210 and 215. He didn't drop the weight as fast as Roy Jones did either and Tarver himself said the weight wasn't an issue.

 

[heyzel]

ROBERT GARCIA REACTS TO MAYWEATHER CHOOSING MAIDANA: "MAIDANA'S GOING TO BE LIKE NEVER BEFORE"
By Ben Thompson | February 24, 2014
ROBERT GARCIA REACTS TO MAYWEATHER CHOOSING MAIDANA:

"You know what? When Maidana beat Broner and the way he did, I think there was no question that the Mayweather fight was going to be ours," stated world-class trainer Robert Garcia, who shared his thoughts on the recent announcement that his fighter, WBA welterweight champion Marcos Maidana, has been chosen by undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd "Money" Mayweather as his opponent when he makes his return to the ring on May 3. Long before the official announcement was made, several members of the media were erroneously reporting that former jr. welterweight champion Amir Khan was the likely candidate to land the assignment. To their surprise, however, Mayweather announced that he would let fans decide who he would face next: Khan or Maidana. After weeks of voting, the results were tabulated and Maidana was the clear winner in multiple online polls, though Mayweather took his time in making his official announcement.

"I was so confident and I was so sure that it should be us, but then, a few weeks later, we start hearing that Amir Khan is involved and it's going to be a decision between Amir Khan and Maidana. Then the poll, you know, the fans are going to vote, so all of that was kind of like a little upsetting for the team because we felt that nobody else deserves a shot against Mayweather than Maidana, especially winning his last 4 fights at welterweight, winning them all," Garcia explained as he recalled the tense weeks leading up to the announcement. "And the Broner fight itself I think was more than enough to deserve a shot at Mayweather, you know, the fighter that everybody was calling the next Mayweather, you know, Mayweather's little brother, all of that. I was surprised when it looked like it was leaning towards Amir Khan. I was surprised, but I'm glad that Mayweather took the fight."

"Mayweather's a great fighter, great champion, best of our time if you ask me, but there's always that chance that fighters have. Nobody thought Tyson would ever lose to Buster Douglas, and he did, so the chance is there. I know that the motivation that Maidana is going to have, the motivation that I'm gonna have in training camp, my whole team, we're going to do everything; train like never before and do everything possible to win the fight," he continued. "He could be the best fighter in history, so for us, to have the opportunity to fight against the best fighter in history is just a blessing to our team. And to know that the way Maidana fights and his style and the way he throws punches could give us the chance of being able to pull it off is something that we're really motivated for. We're going to be training like never before. The whole team is going to be focused. Maidana's going to be like never before."

 

[heyzel]

Khan: Mayweather has been just using my name
February 24th, 2014 | Post Comment - 76 Comments
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floyd mayweather jr amir khan By Scott Gilfoid: Amir Khan thinks Floyd Mayweather Jr. just used his name to get attention for his website poll at Mayweather Promotions website without being serious about having any interest in fighting him. Khan doesn’t like it and he feels he was used by the talented star. Like in his other interviews, Khan is convinced that Mayweather is afraid of fighting opponents with fast hands like himself and Manny Pacquiao. That’s why he feels that Mayweather will face the considerably slower WBA welterweight champion Marcos Maidana next on May 3rd.

“He’s just been using my name, saying should I fight Maidana or Khan in the poll on his website, which was the official one,” Khan said to behindthegloves.com. “I’ve been waiting a long, long time [for him to announce the fight]. Floyd wants to fight guys that are easy. He don’t want to fight someone who is explosive, and who has a lot of speed. I believe I can go in there and beat him. I believe I can go in there and cause a big, big upset…I missed out on paydays [waiting for Mayweather fight], titles.”

So Mayweather has been name dropping Khan’s name for attention? That’s funny. Why would Mayweather do that? It would seem like he would be better off name dropping talented fighters like Keith Thurman or Adrien Broner.

Khan went onto say that he can’t fight Mayweather next September because of the Ramadan holiday. He says he can fight Mayweather in November or December. Unfortunately for Khan, Mayweather has already locked down a date in September for his second fight of 2014, and I highly doubt he’s going to change his schedule to accommodate a fighter who has been bellyaching something fierce for the past two weeks and talking trash.

What Khan needs to do is start lining up his plan B or C opponents and get busy with his career again. The guy has been on a soft holiday pretty much since 2012 after he got sparked out by Danny Garcia in a 4th round stoppage. It’s been fodder and inactivity ever since for Khan, and he’s not helping himself by staying out of the ring for such a long time. And Khan isn’t helping himself by facing no name fighters or guys 10 years past their prime.

It’s good that Khan beat Julio Diaz in his last fight or beat Zab Judah 2011, but those guys are so past it now and it’s not even interesting already. Khan needed to get in the ring and face Keith Thurman a long time again to prove that he belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Khan can forget about Devon Alexander, because he’s been weeded out now after his loss to Shawn Porter. Facing Alexander now will be a useless endeavor for Khan. Somehow I could see Khan facing Alexander now to try and prove to his fans that he wasn’t afraid to fight him. Man, it’s too late for that fight. Khan now has to fight someone relevant, like Thurman, Lucas Matthysse or Lamont Peterson.

Mayweather isn’t likely afraid of Khan. He’s afraid of being dumped on by boxing fans for fighting Khan. How can Mayweather get motivated for fighting a guy like Khan with a 2-2 record in his last 4 fights, especially when you know that fans are going to tease the heck out of him for choosing him.

Read more at Khan: Mayweather has been just using my name

 

[HERESY]

What is the point you're trying to make Heresy about the Hopkins/Tito fight? That BHOP doesn't deserve credit for the win or what?

That the win wasn't as impressive as some make it out to be because Hopkins is a natural MW while Tito was not comfortable in that weight class. Look at his losses in the weight class and you'll see.

Tito wasn't effective because he wasn't landing punches. Same thing with Margarito/Cotto. People suspect that Margarito won because of loaded wraps, but Cotto also allowed himself to be hit WAY too many times by a naturally larger guy.

Again, it is a FACT that Tito and his hand wraps were under scrutiny against Hopkins.

Countless champions have moved up in weight and got a title shot immediately, so what? If they move up and win does it mean less because of a stupid rule that says they get a shot for being a champion at a lower weight?

You just answered the question you asked me. It's a stupid rule. If you move up you should have to fight another contender or have a couple of fights in the class before you get a shot. That rule is part of the reason why shit is so fucked up in boxing.

The right hand counter had come after 11 rounds of beating Tito to the punch. He handled him all night.

Because Tito was not in the same league as Hopkins.

 

[CZAR]

On Tarver's behalf I do think doin that movie hurt him. It seems most athletes that go and do movies or go Hollywood if u will and then come back to fight seem to lose. Whether its weight, focus etc.......it hurts them. No excuse for the other cats though lol. Got Em!!

 

[Coach E. No]

That the win wasn't as impressive as some make it out to be because Hopkins is a natural MW while Tito was not comfortable in that weight class. Look at his losses in the weight class and you'll see.

Again, it is a FACT that Tito and his hand wraps were under scrutiny against Hopkins.

You just answered the question you asked me. It's a stupid rule. If you move up you should have to fight another contender or have a couple of fights in the class before you get a shot. That rule is part of the reason why shit is so fucked up in boxing.

Because Tito was not in the same league as Hopkins.

You have the benefit of history on your side now though. You can do that with most fighters wins in their career, you can nitpick them and downgrade them all day long. I don't rank it as high as a lot of people do, but it was impressive nonetheless. It was pretty shocking that he boxed as well as he did and knocked him out, no matter what.

 

[HERESY]

Dawg, you REALLY want you have the same conversation I completely schooled you in again? Two of youre facts aren't even facts they are mostly opinion.

You never schooled me stop lying. It was you and Hopkins who were exposed. And every point I made was FACT.

Tito nevet used illegal hand wrapping. Fact check please. The only controversy was the amount of tape used. In the state of NY it allows less amount of tape than nearly every other state in America. Nazim thought he put on more tape than the state allowed so he had them re-wrap his hand. It was also his right hand, bot his left hand (his money hand). This was no Margarito illegal hand wraps it was a technicality over the length of tape used on the hands. So technical that it would have been fine in any other state, like Nevada.

Did I say he used illegal hand wrapping? I said it is a fact that he was strongly linked to it. See, that's two different things. Tito was strongly linked to illegal wrapping (which he was) as opposed to Tito used illegal hand wrapping. In fact, YOU can't make the claim that he never used illegal hand wrapping. This thread sheds more light on the subject and even some of the suspects involved made questionable statements:

Felix Trinidas KO Power Came From Illegal CinderBlock Handwraps.

That is not a fact that Tito only got a shot at Joppy because of a rule. Don King promoted Joppy (WBA), Keith Holmes (WBC). Don King put the tournament together to unify the titles, with Hopkins being the other title holder (IBF). The idea for King was for Tito to win, then set up a mega fight with Roy Jones. Obviously Hopkins derailed that. Point is, without Don King, Tito doesn't get any of those fights. Bernard Hopkins also had to bribe his way in the tournament and paid $50,000 out of pocket to Lou DiBella who was with HBO at the time. This was revealed when DiBella sued Hopkins after for spilling the beans amongst other things.

Tito was a champ and moved up in weight. Because of the rule he was automatically in line for a shot. WTF are you talking about? Doesn't matter if Don King was there, if Hulk Hogan was there or if Jesus the Christ was there, the point is, the rule allowed him to get a shot at Joppy NOT his hard work which is how you SHOULD get a shot at a champ.

And then you try to blame Don King? LMAO! So you are saying it was some back handed shit? WOW! So now Tito got the fight because this guy paid that guy? You like to see fights like that?

So let me ask you. How many Middleweight fights did Tommy Hearns have when he fought Marvin Hagler? Zero? So Hearns wasn't even a title holder at MW and his first very MW fight was against Hagler and yet Haglers greatest win is considered who? Tommy Hearns!

Well, Haglers greatest win will depend on who you ask. You ask Hagler himself and he will say Ray Leonard and that even Ray said he won the fight. And you bringing up Hearns actually supports what I am saying. I don't endorse the rule. It is a bullshit rule no matter who it is applied to. And then you bringing up Hearns is another victory for me. Look at Hearns record AFTER the Hagler loss. More specifically, look at all the weight classes he fought in afterwards. HE WAS COMFORTABLE FIGHTING AT A HEAVIER WEIGHT but even then, every loss Hearns had afterwards came at that weight or higher. Tito was SHIT at a heavier weight. Hagler had at LEAST 30 fights in the weight class BEFORE he fought Hearns. Hearns had ZERO. Hopkins had at least 20 BEFORE he fought Tito while Tito had ONE.

Further Hopkins out muscled Tito, used his size and natural middle weight prowess to bully him around the ring, used footwork, defensive skills, ring IQ and speed to systematically break Tito down. It wasn't a case of a guy that way too big, with at least 20 fights in the weight class beating up a smaller guy who only had one previous fight in the weight class. It was a masterful display of boxing but not without its faults and questions.

I fixed that for ya!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

That "rule" I told you about (schooled) you had no knowledge of it. Second, you don't understand that rule as it applies. The rule, which is a WBC rule specifically, states if a fighter drops his WBC belt and moves up that fighter may be placed as the #1 challanger if the WBC counsel approves it. Similar to Joan Guzman vs Nate Campbell. Second, the champ has to be willing to accept the fight. Tommy Hearns and Hagler didn't fight because of any rule. They fought because they wanted to fight each other and the fans wanted it. Joppy vs Trinidad would have never happened if King, Tito and Joppy weren't all on board.

I'm not going to comment any further on Tito. I already broke down the technical issue of the length of tape. Further you implying Tito only KOd Joppy cause of his wraps is laughable, further it's purely speculation on your part which means nothing.

As for you misquoting me, don't kid yourself son you watched the fight and know damn well Hopkins didn't out muscle and bully Trinidad; he boxed and boxed beautifully. It doesn't matter how many fights a guy has at a weight class if they are in the same division. Pacquiao had one welterweight fight against Cotto and beat his ass. Countless examples. Bottom line is Trinidad was a middleweight title holder. Hopkins goal was to unify the division. Hopkins fought and beat every MW title holder and unified all four belts. He's the only man to do so.

 

[HERESY]

That "rule" I told you about (schooled) you had no knowledge of it.

How you gonna say I had no knowledge of it when I was the one who mentioned it?

Second, you don't understand that rule as it applies. The rule, which is a WBC rule specifically, states if a fighter drops his WBC belt and moves up that fighter may be placed as the #1 challanger if the WBC counsel approves it. Similar to Joan Guzman vs Nate Campbell. Second, the champ has to be willing to accept the fight. Tommy Hearns and Hagler didn't fight because of any rule. They fought because they wanted to fight each other and the fans wanted it. Joppy vs Trinidad would have never happened if King, Tito and Joppy weren't all on board.

Hearns and Hagler fought for EVERY TITLE Hagler had. You think it was because they wanted to fight and because of the fans? It was for money and belts. For prestige, but the man moved right up in weight and got a shot for ALL the belts.

I'm not going to comment any further on Tito. I already broke down the technical issue of the length of tape. Further you implying Tito only KOd Joppy cause of his wraps is laughable, further it's purely speculation on your part which means nothing.

No, I implied that his win over Joppy was questionable just like others have said it was questionable. The link I gave you supports what I have said and even people from Tito's camp have made questionable statements.

As for you misquoting me, don't kid yourself son you watched the fight and know damn well Hopkins didn't out muscle and bully Trinidad; he boxed and boxed beautifully. It doesn't matter how many fights a guy has at a weight class if they are in the same division. Pacquiao had one welterweight fight against Cotto and beat his ass. Countless examples. Bottom line is Trinidad was a middleweight title holder. Hopkins goal was to unify the division. Hopkins fought and beat every MW title holder and unified all four belts. He's the only man to do so.

You were not misquoted. You were CORRECTED. There is a difference between the two. He outmuscled him and fought a beautiful fight. The problem is Tito was no middleweight terror like you and others tried to make him out to be.

Bottom line is Tito was a MW title holder because of a shitty rule and some back alley deals and negotiations that YOU mentioned in this thread. He didn't EARN the right to fight Joppy and he was SHIT as a MW.

And Hopkins is actually a true LHW. So you have a true LHW, who can double as a MW or SUPER, fighting a guy that barely performed in MW. And the number of fights you have in a division says A LOT. In many cases it speaks to their experience and being comfortable fighting at that weight.

And what do people say about Pac? PED user, so don't tell me shit about Pac.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Really? I told you about that rule months ago. Look it up.

Yes, Hearns and Hagler fought for MONEY, belts and because they legitimately wanted to fight each other. There was no rule that forced them to fight. Big fight everyone wanted it.

Tito didn't earn the right to fight Joppy, why the fuck not? He was 39-0 and pound 4 pound #1 at the time. That's like saying Floyd didn't earn the right to fight Cotto.

Like I said, there are countless examples not just Pacquiao vs Cotto. Sergio Martinez vs Pavlik recent example. Pavlik a career MW, Sergio fought there once before (or never can't remember). Of course Floyd vs Cotto as I mentioned, Floyd only one previous fight at 154. Adonis Stevenson vs Chad Dawson. Can go way back if you'd like Sugar Ray Robinson vs LaMotta, Henry Armstrong (pick a weight class)

 

[HERESY]

Really? I told you about that rule months ago. Look it up.

I was the one who mentioned it. Look it up.

In fact, here is my direct quote when you tried that "you don't know the rule" LIE.

See above and I already know the rule which is why I previously said, "What did Tito do to earn his spot at MW aside from move up from two weight classes below it? NOTHING." Read the post, "dumbass."

Yes, Hearns and Hagler fought for MONEY, belts and because they legitimately wanted to fight each other. There was no rule that forced them to fight. Big fight everyone wanted it.

For ALL the fuckin belts not just the WBC title.

Tito didn't earn the right to fight Joppy, why the fuck not? He was 39-0 and pound 4 pound #1 at the time. That's like saying Floyd didn't earn the right to fight Cotto.

BECAUSE AT THAT WEIGHT CLASS HE DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKIN FIGHT UNDER HIS BELT.

Like I said, there are countless examples not just Pacquiao vs Cotto. Sergio Martinez vs Pavlik recent example. Pavlik a career MW, Sergio fought there once before (or never can't remember). Of course Floyd vs Cotto as I mentioned, Floyd only one previous fight at 154. Adonis Stevenson vs Chad Dawson. Can go way back if you'd like Sugar Ray Robinson vs LaMotta, Henry Armstrong (pick a weight class)

And this leads to what I have been saying. ELIMINATE all these weight classes. You keep it up with the weight classes liek they are and you will have undeserving niggas winning titles against bums, droppint he belt, moving up and expecting (and even outright given) title matches.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

You're obviously not being serious I informed you of that WBC rule don't lie to me man we've gone way back many years no need for that shit.

So you're agreeing Mayweather didn't earn the right to fight Cotto? Stevenson didn't have the right to fight Chad Dawson? You're contradicting yourself. You talking about eliminating weight classes yet so concerned if a dude is "deserving" enough. I'm not talking about bums and guys who get belts handed to them. We are talking about elite fighters here Hagler Hearns Trinidad etc. Everyone knows who the paper champs are. If Trinidad wasn't deserving of a Joppy fight he would have lost plain and simple. Over 100 years of the sport guys have always moved up in weight and challanged a title holder. You think Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake LaMotta wasn't legit lol

 

[HERESY]

You're obviously not being serious I informed you of that WBC rule don't lie to me man we've gone way back many years no need for that shit.

I just gave you the original quote! Just click search, click on advanced and search for that statement or words. What I have in quotes is exactly what I typed months ago. And yeah we go back years so why do you think I would front you off like that????????????????

So you're agreeing Mayweather didn't earn the right to fight Cotto? Stevenson didn't have the right to fight Chad Dawson? You're contradicting yourself.

I do NOT agree with a person moving up and automatically getting a shot. Bro I don't care WHO it is. You move up and you were a champ you should not get a direct shot. You should fight a guy in the top 3, I can give you that, but you shouldn't just move to number one and NETWORKS shouldn't try to force the fight. So how am I contradicting myself?

You talking about eliminating weight classes yet so concerned if a dude is "deserving" enough. I'm not talking about bums and guys who get belts handed to them. We are talking about elite fighters here Hagler Hearns Trinidad etc. Everyone knows who the paper champs are. If Trinidad wasn't deserving of a Joppy fight he would have lost plain and simple.

Trinidad wasn't deserving. Like I told you months ago and like I quoted here, the ONLY THING Tito did was move up in weight. He did NOTHING to deserve the shot and you provided more evidence to support it by talking about some backhanded shit DK did.

Over 100 years of the sport guys have always moved up in weight and challanged a title holder. You think Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake LaMotta wasn't legit lol

GTFOH. You are gonna ask me about fighters who fought BACK TO BACK fights? And When I say back to back fights I'm talking about 2 or 3 weeks between each fight. Those guys were in a different league and even still I don't agree with a guy moving up and getting a direct shot at the champ. I don't care WHO it is.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This was November 2013 where I informed you of the rule. I switched wbc with wba hard to keep track.

http://www.siccness.net/vb/6050351-post94.html

My post:

Lol Pacquiao was at 135 had one fight at 140 and fought Cotto at WW. Tito had three fights at JMW and destroyed the #2 MW prior to Hopkins. He was a MW champion, period. That makes him a MW. He even weighed more than Hopkins. Further did Hopkins use size and brute force to beat Tito? No, he put on one of the greatest displays of boxing in the past 25 years. Absolutely phenomenonal performance. If you're trying to downplay this victory then you must have some kind of agenda. Upset because Hopkins wants a $10 million dollar payday against Floyd, which is a pathetic reason to talk down on one of the greatest MWs of all time.

And yes Hopkins destroyed his career. Tito went into retirement, couldn't handle the loss. Hopkins did that to a number of guys. Undefeated Joe Lipsey for example, a great great amateur. 25-0 number one contender. Hopkins knocked him out and Lipsey retired due to brain injuries suffered from the fight.

WTF are you even talking about in regards to "what did Tito do to deserve a shot a Joppy? " He was the pound 4 pound fighter in the world and the champ at 154. If the #1 fighter from the weight class immediately below moves up while dropping their belt they can have an immediate crack at the title holder. This is why Joan Guzman, the WBO champion at 130, was made mandatory to the WBO 135 Champion in Nate Campbell. Same applies for the WBA and WBC. Another example is the 130 pound WBC champion Manny Pacquiao getting an immediate shot at the 135 pound WBC champion in David Diaz. Check the rules, "dumbass". I'm getting tired of schooling you on shit you don't know. Trinidad was the 154 pound WBA champion. When he dropped the belt and declared a move to 160 he got an immediate crack at the WBA champion William Joppy, just as the examples I provided above.
"Now that Joan Guzman has vacated his WBO 130 pound title and declared a move to 135 pounds, under it's rules the WBO has assured Sycuan that Guzman will in fact become the number one contender at 135 pounds and mandatory challenger to WBO champion Nate Campbell."

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I don't care if your opinion is every single fighter in the history of the sport who moves up in weight to get a crack at a title is undeserving because that notion is ridiculous and insane. Trinidad was pound 4 pound #1 when he fought Joppy. If anything Joppy didn't deserve a shot at Trinidad based on pound 4 pound rankings and resume.

 

[HERESY]

This was November 2013 where I informed you of the rule. I switched wbc with wba hard to keep track.

http://www.siccness.net/vb/6050351-post94.html

My post:

Lol Pacquiao was at 135 had one fight at 140 and fought Cotto at WW. Tito had three fights at JMW and destroyed the #2 MW prior to Hopkins. He was a MW champion, period. That makes him a MW. He even weighed more than Hopkins. Further did Hopkins use size and brute force to beat Tito? No, he put on one of the greatest displays of boxing in the past 25 years. Absolutely phenomenonal performance. If you're trying to downplay this victory then you must have some kind of agenda. Upset because Hopkins wants a $10 million dollar payday against Floyd, which is a pathetic reason to talk down on one of the greatest MWs of all time.

And yes Hopkins destroyed his career. Tito went into retirement, couldn't handle the loss. Hopkins did that to a number of guys. Undefeated Joe Lipsey for example, a great great amateur. 25-0 number one contender. Hopkins knocked him out and Lipsey retired due to brain injuries suffered from the fight.

WTF are you even talking about in regards to "what did Tito do to deserve a shot a Joppy? " He was the pound 4 pound fighter in the world and the champ at 154. If the #1 fighter from the weight class immediately below moves up while dropping their belt they can have an immediate crack at the title holder. This is why Joan Guzman, the WBO champion at 130, was made mandatory to the WBO 135 Champion in Nate Campbell. Same applies for the WBA and WBC. Another example is the 130 pound WBC champion Manny Pacquiao getting an immediate shot at the 135 pound WBC champion in David Diaz. Check the rules, "dumbass". I'm getting tired of schooling you on shit you don't know. Trinidad was the 154 pound WBA champion. When he dropped the belt and declared a move to 160 he got an immediate crack at the WBA champion William Joppy, just as the examples I provided above.
"Now that Joan Guzman has vacated his WBO 130 pound title and declared a move to 135 pounds, under it's rules the WBO has assured Sycuan that Guzman will in fact become the number one contender at 135 pounds and mandatory challenger to WBO champion Nate Campbell."

How the fuck did you inform me if the rule whwn BEFORE you even typed that I said all Tito did was move up and weight and he got a shot? ALL HE DID WAS MOVE UP IN WEIGHT AND THE RULE KICKED IN. HE DID NOTHING TO "EARN" THE FIGHT AND I SAID THAT FROM THE GATES!

 

[HERESY]

I don't care if your opinion is every single fighter in the history of the sport who moves up in weight to get a crack at a title is undeserving because that notion is ridiculous and insane. Trinidad was pound 4 pound #1 when he fought Joppy. If anything Joppy didn't deserve a shot at Trinidad based on pound 4 pound rankings and resume.

They should have to WORK for it. If you are champ and you move up in weight you shouldn't go straight to the top. That isn't insanity it is logic. There are plenty of other guys in the division who have put in work. They dont need to have their shit compromised because someone moved up in weight. Fuck that. Earn your shit.

So fuckin what if Tito was P4P? What the FUCK did he do besides move up in weight? Did he beat a MW? Nope. Lose to one? No. HE DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT ONE UNTIL JOPPY!

So if we apply your fucked up logic it is ok for Floyd to move right into the #1 spot if he jumps. Bullshit.