What is a good signing bonus for a up and coming Bay Area rap artist?

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Lol...I'll be rapping off the beats THEY bring in...I don't produce music so they have their producers...I just rap. The record company will get the features together and we'll figure out who fits best with Ugly Nigga.
So that song really had nothing to do with you except for your raps and graphic design/promotion hype machine? That was a beat that the "record label" gave you to rap on for your first release?

I really hope your making money from this (I have no clue how you would) because that shit there sounds terrible. To be fair, I have heard a few other songs you have posted on here and they were decent, but this is just bad on many levels.

I would seriously think about quality control and working harder on the product that I was going to release to the public. To each is own I guess.
 
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So that song really had nothing to do with you except for your raps and graphic design/promotion hype machine? That was a beat that the "record label" gave you to rap on for your first release?

I really hope your making money from this (I have no clue how you would) because that shit there sounds terrible. To be fair, I have heard a few other songs you have posted on here and they were decent, but this is just bad on many levels.

I would seriously think about quality control and working harder on the product that I was going to release to the public. To each is own I guess.
Naw the record company had nothing to do with that beat it was a song done in 2009 and the singer that is on it, Eye'z, brought it to my attention to BRING IT BACK and wanted me to push it, so I said ok I'll do it for her and see what happens. I told her about the low quality so it is what it is. With the record company they have a state of the art studio (as was explained to me, I have yet to record in it).
 
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Naw the record company had nothing to do with that beat it was a song done in 2009 and the singer that is on it, Eye'z, brought it to my attention to BRING IT BACK and wanted me to push it, so I said ok I'll do it for her and see what happens. I told her about the low quality so it is what it is. With the record company they have a state of the art studio (as was explained to me, I have yet to record in it).

What did she make the beat?

She does a few adlibs and sings some corny karoke Sexual Healing for the outro and shes wants to "BRING IT BACK"?

"Eye'z" trippin
 
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What did she make the beat?

She does a few adlibs and sings some corny karoke Sexual Healing for the outro and shes wants to "BRING IT BACK"?

"Eye'z" trippin
Lol...I'm just helpin' out (no Eye'z didn't make the beat a friend did)...but on a serious note the company will pay for Top producers to produce tracks so it really boils down to me as a rapper if they are shopping for proven producers. I imagine a couple of high profile beats and then some producers who may not be as well known...
 
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My shows now will range from 5k-8k in productions whereas in 2010 it was more like 1k with me profiting 1k-1.5k...so that means the venues will go from 200 to 500 capacity. Which I might see a profit of 8k to 10k pr show...while the record company has plans of putting on shows at venues that hold 2,000 to 5,000 people so my activity is mild promotions for myself that will help as they put me on as a opener for whatever major act they bring out.
WTF?!?!?!?! 200 to 500 capacity with 8 to 10K Profit? WTF are you charging at the door? LOL!

I'm asking due to after full expenses & the reality of not packing the house at times.

Am I misunderstanding this or did everybody miss this?
 
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WTF?!?!?!?! 200 to 500 capacity with 8 to 10K Profit? WTF are you charging at the door? LOL!

I'm asking due to after full expenses & the reality of not packing the house at times.

Am I misunderstanding this or did everybody miss this?
the 8k to 10k is referring to a capacity of 500 in the venue...with a headliner...add the opening artists charge that should cover the venue...and that's that in a nutshell.

500 capacity x $40 = $20,000 - $5,000 headliner = ($15,000) - $1,500 radio ads 30 spots = ($13,500) - $640 flyer routing and flyer expense = ($12,860) - venue $1,500 = ($11,360) - $800 Dj (Big Von, Mind Motion or Rick Lee) = $10,560.00...most of the time you never get 100% of the potential door because of entourages, your people, half price folks, women get in before 10pm etc and you looking at 90% of the door (-$2,000)...end result: $10,560 - $8,560
 
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the 8k to 10k is referring to a capacity of 500 in the venue...with a headliner...add the opening artists charge that should cover the venue...and that's that in a nutshell.

500 capacity x $40 = $20,000 - $5,000 headliner = ($15,000) - $1,500 radio ads 30 spots = ($13,500) - $640 flyer routing and flyer expense = ($12,860) - venue $1,500 = ($11,360) - $800 Dj (Big Von, Mind Motion or Rick Lee) = $10,560.00...most of the time you never get 100% of the potential door because of entourages, your people, half price folks, women get in before 10pm etc and you looking at 90% of the door (-$2,000)...end result: $10,560 - $8,560

That's a really great break down of how it works. The only problem is getting to work that way in real life.
 
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The biggest misunderstanding is, that signing a record deal does not mean automatic success. You still have to make hit records.

And the number one thing you must do when signed...

SELL RECORDS!!!!!

Or get dropped & forgotten.

If your not in this to sell records, then you are in it for the wrong reasons. Sell enough records & everything else will automatically fall in it's place.

Too many of you talking about advances and flipping it. That's what's wrong with the game. You get a little dough & lose focus on why you got that in the first place.

With that kind of attitude you better save your money from the advance. If you do get signed, because you'll never see another penny from that label again.
 
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The biggest misunderstanding is, that signing a record deal does not mean automatic success. You still have to make hit records.

And the number one thing you must do when signed...

SELL RECORDS!!!!!

Or get dropped & forgotten.

If your not in this to sell records, then you are in it for the wrong reasons. Sell enough records & everything else will automatically fall in it's place.

Too many of you talking about advances and flipping it. That's what's wrong with the game. You get a little dough & lose focus on why you got that in the first place.

With that kind of attitude you better save your money from the advance. If you do get signed, because you'll never see another penny from that label again.
Everything I just talked about was to help the company sell cds...did you see me saying anything about selling dope, selling cars, opening up a dry cleaners? Putting on shows help with the viability of the artist to the general public and helps the record company. Now to the point of selling cds out of a record store...that is a system and understanding you have to have. How many cds do I think I can sell? Let's see California, Oregon, Seattle, Nevada, Texas, Denver and Arizona would be my targeted areas and from that radius I would say on or around 10,000 cds in 6-9 months period. That's a tremendous grind...maybe even a year if you also consider trying to do shows in the Bay Area and some out of state to co-inside with the travel.
 
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people pay $40 to see bay area rappers perform?!?!


crazy.
Naw man...don't nobody pay ta see a Bay Area act at that price but if you bring in a out of town act like 2 Chains and put him with D-Lo, or someone of that nature then you in the ball park. Then you gotta promote it tough...I got so much stuff in the promotions department I can drop heavy on a whole city. Radio ads, t-shirts, flyers etc...banners over the Freeway...that's not a problem....oh yeah and ad Ugly Nigga to the bill and it's good.
 
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That's a really great break down of how it works. The only problem is getting to work that way in real life.
Even if my break down was 50% correct at the end of the night you would still see a $4-5k profit. If it was 30% correct you are still winning. If you draw even or you lose $200 at the end of the night you are still winning...more than you know...but I'll see if you can figure out what I mean by this in your next post.
 
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Even if my break down was 50% correct at the end of the night you would still see a $4-5k profit. If it was 30% correct you are still winning. If you draw even or you lose $200 at the end of the night you are still winning...more than you know...but I'll see if you can figure out what I mean by this in your next post.
But nobody knows who u are. Who is trying to sign u? Up front question. Worst business move was having the name "ugly nigga" and that was your first move. Not sure if u get that
 
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Everything I just talked about was to help the company sell cds...did you see me saying anything about selling dope, selling cars, opening up a dry cleaners? Putting on shows help with the viability of the artist to the general public and helps the record company. Now to the point of selling cds out of a record store...that is a system and understanding you have to have. How many cds do I think I can sell? Let's see California, Oregon, Seattle, Nevada, Texas, Denver and Arizona would be my targeted areas and from that radius I would say on or around 10,000 cds in 6-9 months period. That's a tremendous grind...maybe even a year if you also consider trying to do shows in the Bay Area and some out of state to co-inside with the travel.

Again, it's all speculation, wishful thinking. Or for lack of better words, your feeling yourself a little too much to the point where your dreaming & getting delusional with all due respect. There is no guarantee that you will sell 10,000 Cd's. Now, I can respect anybody believing in themselves, but there is always a line to draw.

Someone who believes in themselves pushes towards that goal as most of us do. A dreamer starts doing the math & starts to dream about how much money will be made when the product isn't even out yet. That's like talking about how much milk your cow can produce & what price you'll sell it for, but the reality is, you don't even own a cow yet.

I could sit here & throw numbers out & be correct on the math, but I'm just throwing out numbers. It has yet to become a reality in the form of dollar bills.

Your merely talking about getting signed to a new independent label who's never released anything period from my understanding. Or may I ask what "hit" singles you have that are going to top the Billboard charts? Not being a dick. I'm seriously asking.


Let's just say you did sell 10,000 copies though. That's a success on the independent end of it, but it still doesn't mean a thing within the real music business. 10,000 is not even scratching the surface of the game when the bar has been raised so high by rappers on the majors. You mention 7 states & 10,000 copies sold in 6-9 months. I seriously don't think anybody from the Bay outside of 40 & way less than a handful have sold that many Cd's from the Bay Area (no pun intended.)

Majors are dropping artist who are selling 258,000 copies sold for being considered a failure. The must sell is a million or more in a week. Your talking 10,000 in 6 to 9 months. In retro, it's good on the independent tip, but your sounding like your going for the gusto & nothing wrong that, but again, your not scratching the surface for real success within the business.

Before I go any further, I'm going to ask you a very simple question which is a typical question I ask anybody when on topics like this.

Do you own your publishings?
 
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Again, it's all speculation, wishful thinking. Or for lack of better words, your feeling yourself a little too much to the point where your dreaming & getting delusional with all due respect. There is no guarantee that you will sell 10,000 Cd's. Now, I can respect anybody believing in themselves, but there is always a line to draw.

Someone who believes in themselves pushes towards that goal as most of us do. A dreamer starts doing the math & starts to dream about how much money will be made when the product isn't even out yet. That's like talking about how much milk your cow can produce & what price you'll sell it for, but the reality is, you don't even own a cow yet.

I could sit here & throw numbers out & be correct on the math, but I'm just throwing out numbers. It has yet to become a reality in the form of dollar bills.

Your merely talking about getting signed to a new independent label who's never released anything period from my understanding. Or may I ask what "hit" singles you have that are going to top the Billboard charts? Not being a dick. I'm seriously asking.


Let's just say you did sell 10,000 copies though. That's a success on the independent end of it, but it still doesn't mean a thing within the real music business. 10,000 is not even scratching the surface of the game when the bar has been raised so high by rappers on the majors. You mention 7 states & 10,000 copies sold in 6-9 months. I seriously don't think anybody from the Bay outside of 40 & way less than a handful have sold that many Cd's from the Bay Area (no pun intended.)

Majors are dropping artist who are selling 258,000 copies sold for being considered a failure. The must sell is a million or more in a week. Your talking 10,000 in 6 to 9 months. In retro, it's good on the independent tip, but your sounding like your going for the gusto & nothing wrong that, but again, your not scratching the surface for real success within the business.

Before I go any further, I'm going to ask you a very simple question which is a typical question I ask anybody when on topics like this.

Do you own your publishings?
Your weaving in and out of two subjects one of which I haven't even addressed and that is being a major artist doing major numbers...I concentrated my speculation (didn't ever say it was a fact) that I could possibly sell 10,000 copies out of a number of record stores in that amount of time, which was 6 months...I even looked at the possibility of it taking 1 full year.

Out of Rasputins 10 stores alone my target numbers are 1,000 cds sold after the first 2 months. I haven't spoke to Dimples yet but I'm sure there is no problem to get in with their 6 stores up in the Sacramento area. Let me stop...I don't wanna go into the whole drawn out plan but yeah I want to sell 10,000 cds...that's on an independent level. There are artists that have sold 2,000 copies out of Rasputins alone...one artists has done 4,000. I don't know how they've done in other local stores or other independent stores in New York or Texas but I know of those numbers. I'd probably have to go through City Hall Records and use them as a distributor...at least you get front row on the shelf near the door as people walk in...putting the cd in myself I run the risk of being put in the back with the stock pile and people can't find you there.
 
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But nobody knows who u are. Who is trying to sign u? Up front question. Worst business move was having the name "ugly nigga" and that was your first move. Not sure if u get that
Explain to me...in detail...how is that the worst business move ever and what will it bar me from doing? Matter of fact...what have YOU done...that I couldn't do because my name is Ugly Nigga? Up front question.
 
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Explain to me...in detail...how is that the worst business move ever and what will it bar me from doing? Matter of fact...what have YOU done...that I couldn't do because my name is Ugly Nigga? Up front question.
Well who in radio/tv wants to promote/say someone called "ugly nigga"? Nobody is going to say ur name, they can't. It's just reality. So who is trying to sign you?