Who will win UFC 97 Chuck"Iceman"Liddell vs Mauricio"Shogun"Rua?

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Ufc 97 Redemption Iceman Liddell vs Shogun Rua

  • Chuck Liddell via KO

    Votes: 12 38.7%
  • Chuck Liddell via TKO

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • Chuck Liddell via Submission

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chuck Liddell via Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mauricio Rua via KO

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Mauricio Rua via TKO

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Mauricio Rua via Submission

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • Mauricio Rua via Decision

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .
Feb 7, 2006
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3 Round Light heavyweight Match up
Chuck Liddell vs Mauricio rua

Chuck"Liddell"Iceman"
6'2"
205lbs
Association:The Pit
21-6-0
Strengths: Knockout Power, wrestling, counter striker
Last 3 Wins: Wanderlei Silva,Tito Ortiz, Renato Sobral
Last 3 Losses: Rashad Evans, Keith Jardine, Quinton Jackson

Mauricio"Shogun"Rua
6'1"
205lbs
Association: Universidade da Luta
17-3-0
Strengths:Excellent background in Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu, very aggressive
Last 3 Wins: Mark Coleman, Alistair Overeem, Kazuhiro Nakamura
Last 3 Losses: Forrest Griffin, Mark Coleman, Renato Sobral
 
Feb 12, 2004
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This one is honestly a toss up. Of course i'll be rooting for Shogun, but if the Shogun with the horrible cardio that has been showing up recently shows up he might get KOd. If Shogun shows up with cardio I think he takes it.
 
Jan 10, 2008
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I am very excited for this one 2 Legendary kingpins finally going at it, be it a little late but that was the same thing with Wandy vs Chuck.There is no way that shogun will come in this fight out of shape like he did against Coleman he would have to be a complete moron and i dont think he is. To be honest shogun looks like a totally different fighter than in pride for whatever reason. Chuck is by far the most dangerous striker he has faced in the UFC so far if he slows down at all Chuck will finish him. Bottom line if the old shogun shows up then chuck is in big trouble but that seems unlikely at this point. So I gotta go Chuck by late round TKO or decision.
 
Jul 29, 2008
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shogun was a monster in Pride. but not lately IMO. While i'm a shogun fan and i dont agree with chuck liddell's fighting, I might have to give it to chuck.

i hope i'm wrong.
 
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I honestly don't know why we haven't seen much of the pride shogun in the UFC, but one big reason could be because in both of his fights hes gassed in the first couple minutes. Maybe it was the juice everyone was using in pride? haha who knows!
 
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its possible. They didnt regulate it there or as hard.

i figure 10 first rounds would build your cardio.

Then again, he's in America now, partying and what not.

I remember when they first moved to So Cal (i believe they moved) some dude at sherdog took pix with him and ninja at In and out burger.
 
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Shogun hasnt impressed me since the mollywhoopin he gave Quinton Jackson. I think he needs to follow the footsteps of Frank Mir and find worthy coaches. He has so much skill but lacks discipline when it comes to proper dieting and conditioning. A sharp Shogun = the next light heavyweight champion for the next 2-3 years....

This ones too tough to call so I call it a draw....
 
Jan 18, 2006
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Chuck Liddell is washed up and never would have gone on the run he did if he fought fighters that can strike like he can. Rampage proved that shit, im surprised Chuck beat Wandalei but Silva did fuck him up. I dont know what expect from Shogun but i think he win in decision
 
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Chuck Liddell is washed up and never would have gone on the run he did if he fought fighters that can strike like he can. Rampage proved that shit, im surprised Chuck beat Wandalei but Silva did fuck him up. I dont know what expect from Shogun but i think he win in decision
So because Chuck lost to Rampage he cant fight any one that can strike? If one guy in mma has your number that isnt really that bad. According to you its chucks fault the competition wasnt good enough to beat him. By the way i am curious to know who you thought would have beat him during his reign besides rampage? Dont hate homie and by the way Silva got his ass whooped in that fight he was knocked out on his feet.
 
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chuck is a slippery dude.. he is hard to take down for some bjj. I think his reach and his weird punches will get the win. His down fall is his low hands.

You cant judge on losses bekuz everyone loses and every fight is different. Just bekuz he won against silva dont mean he will win against Shogun.

Shogun has not been the same since he came state side.

I hope shogun does win, but I have not seen an improvement to make feel otherwise.
 
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UFC boss says to the Iceman: Dazzle me or hang up the gloves

By Neil Davidson, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Mar. 13, 2009

Will Montreal be the Iceman's last hurrah?

Chuck (The Iceman) Liddell has lost three of his last four fights and, at 39, the clock is ticking. The last image many fight fans have of the former light-heavyweight champion is face down on the canvas after Rashad Evans knocked him out with a right to the chin at UFC 88 in September.

Liddell (21-5) looks to revive his flagging career against Mauricio (Shogun) Rua in the co-main event of UFC 97 at Montreal's Bell Centre on April 18.

UFC president Dana White says the Iceman needs to put on a show north of the border.

"I've made it very clear to Chuck. Very clear," White told The Canadian Press. "It's not about money, it's not about this, that. Chuck is one of my good friends. Chuck (has) cemented his legacy in the UFC and in the fight game. I'm not even saying if he wins, unless he looks incredibly impressive (in Montreal) - I mean, he's going to have to go out there and dazzle me, for me to want Chuck to still fight."

"I love him, and I don't want to see what I saw in his last fight ever again," he added.

Liddell was once the most feared fighter in mixed martial arts, with knockout power in both hands and legs. With his mohawk and tattooed skull, he was also the menacing face of the sport.

But in recent fights, it seems his opponents have figured out Liddell's game.

Quinton (Rampage) Jackson took away Liddell's title at UFC 71 in May 2007, felling Liddell with a crushing right to the chin after the champion left himself exposed throwing a lazy left.

"I made a mistake and got caught," Liddell said after the fight.

Liddell hired a chef to help with his diet and said trainer John Hackleman was working on tightening his game.

At UFC 76 in September 2007, Keith (The Dean of Mean) Jardine took advantage of Liddell's stance to punish him with leg kicks. Liddell connected early - "I was seeing stars the whole first round," Jardine said later - but Jardine put Liddell down in the second round with a left.

As the fight wore on, the kicks took their toll and Liddell's left side was splashed with red welts.

"I've been to fights with him (Liddell) all over the world," White said last week in Columbus, Ohio. "I've never seen his body look like it looked after the Keith Jardine fight."

"He comes in with a wide, kind of tilted stance, so he can't really block kicks that way," Jardine explained.

Liddell did not dispute Jardine winning split decision (29-28, 29-28, 28-29). "I left it too close to complain about it," he said.

The Iceman bounced back by winning a decision against Wanderlei Silva in a wild brawl at UFC 79 in December 2007. Liddell used his reach to good effect against the shorter Brazilian, even showing off his wrestling skills late in the fight when he took Silva down several times.

"I thought I did all right out there for an old man, I guess," Liddell said after the fight.

Like Liddell, however, Silva is widely seen as being on the downside of his career.

Just how far down was shown at UFC 88 by Evans, who drew Liddell in and then knocked him senseless as he attempted to throw an uppercut.

"I got caught, man. What do you want me to say?" Liddell said afterwards.

Greg Jackson, Evans' trainer, summed up Liddell's current predicament as he explained the Evans camp had seen the opening for the big right hand.

"That's what we planned for," said Jackson, who also helped mastermind Jardine's win over Liddell. "He (Liddell) always does the same thing."

There is talk that Liddell has taken steps to change that for the Rua fight, adding to his training. It's clear the status quo is no longer working.

Liddell is a counter-puncher who can create great power from odd angles. He is also unorthodox as a striker, to the extent that he can wave one hand as a distraction and then hammer you with the other. He also mixes kicks and punches well.

But against the herky-jerky Jardine, Liddell was unable to find his rhythm. And Jackson and Jardine saw openings and made him pay for them.

What were once idiosyncrasies are now cracks in the armour.

Perhaps most importantly, the intimidation factor is largely gone thanks to his recent losses.

Prior to Jackson, Liddell had been on a roll. He had won 15 of his 17 UFC fights, with the last loss to Randy Couture at UFC 43 in June 2003. Between the Couture and Jackson losses, Liddell registered seven straight knockouts.

Liddell still remains a draw. And while he is a wealthy man today, the big paycheques are no doubt always welcome. Liddell's purse has been listed at US$500,000 for each of his last four fights and that doesn't include a cut of the lucrative pay-per-view revenue.

Rua, 27, also needs to look good in Montreal. Sidelined by double knee surgeries since losing his UFC debut to Forrest Griffin at UFC 76 in September 2007, the Brazilian looked rusty in his UFC 93 TKO over 44-year-old Mark (The Hammer) Coleman at UFC 93 in January.

Rua (17-3) has run out of gas in both fights and looked a shadow of the young buck who tore through Pride opposition in Japan.

Liddell and Rua were slated to meet at UFC 85 last June in London but the fight was shelved because of injuries to both men - Liddell (hamstrung) and Rua (knee).

The bottom line in Montreal is both Liddell and Rua need to show they still have it.

"A year and a half ago, people were arguing over who's the best light-heavyweight in the world. Shogun or Chuck," White mused. "And here we are, with these guys basically fighting to see who's going to really stick around in that division."

NOTES: The UFC and Spike TV are holding an open casting call April 6 in Seattle for Season 10 of "The Ultimate Fighter" reality TV show. Producers are looking for middleweights (185 pounds), light-heavyweights (205), and heavyweights (225, according to the release).
 
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So because Chuck lost to Rampage he cant fight any one that can strike? If one guy in mma has your number that isnt really that bad. According to you its chucks fault the competition wasnt good enough to beat him. By the way i am curious to know who you thought would have beat him during his reign besides rampage? Dont hate homie and by the way Silva got his ass whooped in that fight he was knocked out on his feet.
he lost to Jardine, got knocked out by Rashad. Chuck didnt fight no real threats that could knock you out. He fought an over the hill belfort who would have absolutely destroyed Chuck in his prime, he fought Couture 3 times who was never known for his hands unless he had you on the ground or up against the cage and he fought Tito twice who was never known for his punching.
 
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^^So Vitor was overall the hill when he fought chuck he was on a 4 fight winning streak at the time. What about Allistair Overeem or Guy Metzger and I would consider Wandy a pretty good striker but none of those guys posed a threat huh. He got outpointed by Jardine so what it turns out Jardine is a pretty good fighter. Rampage looked like shit against him and Rashad is the light heavyweight champ those guys are all great fighters. He did get KOed but who hasnt in this sport sooner or later you get KTFO if you stick around long enough guaranteed.
 
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I think the thing about Chuck is he's been figured out. Before people were so scared to stand with him because everyone was afraid to get KTFO. Fighters were so hesitant and wouldn't commit to much standing up. Now nobody is scared to stand with him. I still think Chuck can knock your top off if you aren't careful.
 
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Exactly his game hasnt evolved and fighters these days cant be one dimensional anymore because eventaully you will get figured out. Honestly i kind of see it happening to Rampage as well, along with the other old school fighters. You know he wont leave Hack so what are you going to do. If Chuck went to train with greg Jackson or maybe some other top trainer that could come up with a new stradegy. Most importantly his defense holding his hands down. It used to work for him when he was younger but his reflexes have slown down way to much to get away with it now. I mean he has to switch up or retire bottom line.
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