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Well, well... Its been over a year and a half since we've had a hardcore political discussion and me bussin' heads on this bitch.

Sooo... How many of you are still satisfied with Bush, Pres. of Iraq???

I am usually the one that brings up these discussions that tend to bring down heat on my ass on this Froum. And the other heat too.(Heat Myser) hahaha...

I have grown pretty fond of hating this man that runs our little island. He's caused so much depression in the U.S. that even Republicans are turning their backs on him and his decision making. I understand what they mean. If I make him the captain of my kickball team, I dont want him subbing for the other team and trying to justify why he kicked the ball over the fence and forcing us to lose. I want a do over. Haha.

Most of you are probably mad at the high ass gas prices, and then you have those idiots that say, "You cant blame Bush!" BULLSHIT... Our own country can produce something called Ethanol and probably drop the cost of fuel to nearly 40 cents. Not saying that it be used alone, because it lasts a lot less than regular fuel, but combined it has the ability to ease our worries that we are indeed getting ripped off. I'm not going to be 100% satisfied with a man and a party to take my best interest and twist it. He aint that damned good. But how can we blame Bush...
Because the Bush administration refuses to force them to use ethanol, and, in the absence of a serious government mandate, they can continue price gouging Americans and raking in record-breaking profits. Oil companies are keeping gas supplies tight and prices high even though ethanol is plentiful and available at prices that have dropped 40 cents a gallon or more since the beginning of the year.

Someone has to stand up to these muthafuckas. In Montana, the new Governor and state legislature said enough is enough, stood up to the oil/gas industry, and actually passed a bill forcing the oil companies operating in state to include a certain percentage of ethanol in fuels. That mandate creates a market for ethanol development, helping the rural economy and hopefully bringing prices down. Bush and the Republicans won't do something like that because they've long ago been bought and paid for by the energy industry. Now look at the gas prices there in Montana. Lowest in the country. Its a shame that it takes a small Gov. to stand up for the few hundred Americans in Montana and is actually "FOR THE PEOPLE"...

Now I see why Venezuela bangs on us like they do. Because the plans they seek out are actually beneficial to the citizens there and not for the high profitable companies, Billionaires, and then trickle down the gutter to the remaining ants our country calls important citizens.

Social Security... Failure! That was a plan put in for our "best interests"... What happened to that. They dabble in that money to go to the casino with and lose time and time again. Not litterally but damned well close. Now they say "REFORM"... A word to basically say, let us try this again... How many trillion is that gonna take to put some heads together and think up that plan?

What i'm saying is... Bush has the muscle to counter these price gouging oil companies, and especially for the sake of the people under him, but since they dont have to work for a paycheck, they dont understand. One Rep. I do respect is Kit Bond, he gets the job done. To me it seems that hardcore Reps. can elect a President, be cryogenically frozen for four years, wake up and no matter what condition the world is in, still be happy and anyone that opposes is crazy. When are we going to say, "Okayyyy, thats why you've been swindling money from the citizens, Good Plan! Now we can breath and enjoy our lives again. Or Oh, now I see where all that money went, thanks for helping the small people. I hope rioting starts up again which I am pretty sure will. I've got my eye on this plasma television that'll look good im my living room. Ha!

I know someone is going to say, Supply and Demand blah blah blah toward the gas issue. Just know Ive got something for that ass. So think twice before replying. The lights never gonna shine as bright as it did when Clinton was in office, believe that. Suck Clintons cock if he's anywhere as shitty as Bush.

No I aint gonna Picket, and I sure as hell aint gonna March on Washinton or at his Ranch where hes vacationing for 5 weeks like he got his knees dirty. I just felt like expressing my feelings.

Al I want to know is... How are we over in Iraq guarding the oil wells and cant even get an Employee Discount. GM is doing it, maybe Bush should think about that.
 
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Maszive i dont give a shit what u think... Or what anyone thinks. Im sick of all this political debate mubjo jumbo that i see everywhere. The tv, the computer, books, newspapers... its endless thats all the talk these days. So lets see. I have a plan. A new political party where we just dont give a fuck.
-sam
 

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sam42004 said:
Maszive i dont give a shit what u think... Or what anyone thinks. Im sick of all this political debate mubjo jumbo that i see everywhere. The tv, the computer, books, newspapers... its endless thats all the talk these days. So lets see. I have a plan. A new political party where we just dont give a fuck.
-sam
that party already exists, and its apathetic people like you that corrode america.

and maszive, bush is a moron. he planned on invading iraq in october of 2001 , probably even before that, but october 2001 is the only proof that has been released. how do you go from major terror attacks from Saudi fundamentalists controlled by a saudi living in afghanastan to attacking a country that had nothing to do with it in a month? bush was just trying to settle old scores, and 9/11 gave him the perfect excuse.

Bush is a lying piece of shit, and i'm happy his lies are now getting exposed. everything from the Rove scandle to how saddam was captured.
 
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i never liked bush from the start he just like his dad...an old greedy troublemaker. i feel where u coming from massive....someone is gettin hella rich is all i know off all these high prices!!! and it needs to stop.. and to sam yea go head keep talkin like that, its people like you that make it worse for us. its real out here, there more to life than "im rick james bitch!!"
 
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sam42004 said:
Maszive i dont give a shit what u think... Or what anyone thinks. Im sick of all this political debate mubjo jumbo that i see everywhere. The tv, the computer, books, newspapers... its endless thats all the talk these days. So lets see. I have a plan. A new political party where we just dont give a fuck.
-sam
To Define you....

So you mean to tell me, your new slogan is similar to NIKE's... "JUST LET IT BE"

How about I dont give a fuck about was the Rep. party has to say when they are campaining a bunch of Bullshit, or how about I dont give a shit about shit, just fuck me in the ass with 10W 30 Motor Oil and tell me to pay taxes on a multi million $ sports arena I cant afford to go in, a multi million $ country club that I couldnt get in if my life depended on it, cut funding for schools, education, Jobs on his watch and shit thats 100% relevent to existing on this shithole turf. Yeah, maybe even lets everyone at the same time empty our bank accounts and put trust in Dubya and he'll make sure that we're well taken care of. Yeah, lets forget it and say fuck it. He's the man, he values the human life on this piece of shit country, he will prevent fucking rioting, he cares for those under him that blindly and regretfully put him in office. I say off with his head!

Yeah, I can see your view when you say a new political party where we just dont give a fuck, but when you see the light one day where your getting hit for all you got then your gonna be on here ranting and crying about what you cant do because your 40 hrs a weeks aint filling up your tank.

That Bitch could easily win back the trust of this country if he did (ONE) fucking thing for us or our country. I dont follow anyone or anything. If Bush has a good idea for the people that can see results before they are dead and gone then so be it I'd love him for that. But dont fuck up my existence cause you cant get your eggs in order. I'd take on anyone on this bitch word for word and make them seem as if they are puppets for the Rep party.

Regardless of how you feel, Im sure there are less "I dont give a fuckers" that there are "What the fuck is the President doing for us'" groups.

Tell me what the hell he's doing for this turf thats beneficial for everyone. Im glad Venezuela is dogging us out, and I hope the whilte house gets bombed, the pentagon, and fucking NASA! I hope God takes this tangled ball of string Political bullshit and takes it away. It sucks when our country has to do its job isnt it, I laugh at US bombings cause it makes them get off their asses for what we pay them for. And why the fuck is Bush taking 5 weeks vacation for, the average american cant afford to pay their bills with 5 weeks pay put together. He aint did shit. He can in one month add 250,000 jobs if he supports an Ethanol bill... Hes fucking it up for the economy. Shits a vicious cycle now. Hes blind leading the blind and yall dumb enough to believe him.

Only God can save us...

Lets do it...
 
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Instead of bitching and blabering about what is wrong in our country. How bout you give at least a half witted solution to our "problems".

Like for instance........

High gas prices? Support a public transportation system. This city needs one very bad. Why do we even have high gas prices anyway? What's the real reason?

And your sports arena you are bitching about paying taxes for....it's funded by hotel and rental car taxes. Nothing comes out of your paycheck or gets added on top of your taxes when you buy a package of staffords.

Oh yeah, we dont live on an island either....our country is landlocked on 2 sides (canada and mexico).



Sam-

You don't give a fuck about politics because you are safe living under your parents roof. Your mommy makes your breakfast each morning, packs your lunch and starts on dinner each night when she gets home from work.

Eventually you'll have to grow up and do all this shit on your own. And when you get into the real world, have some money of your own, get a job and have your own family you might just care about all that "political mumbo jumbo". But if you really don't give a fuck, i'm not going to let little fuckheads like you fuck up my way of living. Grow up. Take a stand. And prepare yourself. Don't fuck it off, make a difference.
 
Jun 22, 2004
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Okay. i know what the real world is. Ive seen more of it than most people on this forum. Im republican and i support bush even though hes dumb as hell. Im glad we invaded Iraq. I dont think an unstable corrupt regime should be allowed to have WMD's. And you can say they didnt but they did. They have found biological plants. And a scientist who worked for Saddam lives in my city now. He has told the media that he had to help create bilogical weapons for Saddam.


ABOUT SADDAM BEING CAPTURED. Yes that is how the story goes. because my ex girlfriends uncle (an 11 year veteran who has 2 tours in iraq and 1 in south korea) was in the group that captured Saddam. Their are many other things going on in Iraq that can't be realesed for the safety of the people of our country.

Gas Prices.

Dont shovel this on Bush. In reality politics doesnt effect the future of gas. Because it is the companies that controll it. They have many alteratives that are cleaner and more efficient than gas but they don't make them mainstream because they wont make half the money they are making now. They want to ride the gas train to the very end.

-sam
 
Aug 21, 2002
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Lil' Nicky...

Half witted?????????

How about I say I just told you one solution, do you need another. Its hard to not say that we cant blame Bush partly, when he's makin' riches off the oil. How about instead of throwing out a bunch of shut ups and quit this and quit thats like most Rep that cant give a legitimate reason why anything I "bitch" about come up with a half witted reply other than 4th grade raise my hand to the teacher and snitch "shut ups"... Anyone that opposes what I have to say never knows why we are getting ripped off, but I can sure sit here now and tell you one or two ways to help "us" but yall would rather let a silver spoon country clubber balance your checkbook. So it seems to me that you are just fine with the state of this "island"....

Sports arena... Well, I just so happen to work for a Fuckin' Rent-A-Car agency and I can tell you now. The people that rent cars where I am usually cant make ends meet, therefore they are the ones that usually know nothing of or voted in support of this arena. They hate the fact that they gotta pay 4$ a day for a Sprint Center they cant pay 56$ to get in. Thats a tank of gas. SO THATS HOW I KNOW ITS BULLSHIT! Who wants a fucking hockey team arena anyways. They always complain that they probably wont even go in the damned arena anyways. I dont wear Staffords by the way. Lets just make sure that the sleeves on your Lacoste at least touch your elbows and dont show your lower back tribal tattoo Road Ruler.

How in the fuck is a Public Transit system gonna help Missouri. It aint even helped places worse off than us like California. Light Rail, when... 2087 when the world is stuck under miles of smog and its too late. Thats why we elect people to TRUST to come together and look out for our best interest. What do they do, build stupid shit and blow up stupid shit. This is how Bullshit this whole gas thing is. They say quit driving and we'll see lower prices. So you mean to tell me there are a million new drivers than there was in 1999 when gas was 74 cents a gallon. Just like death, for every driver taken off the road, there is one new one on the road, aint shit happened that drastically where gas needs to raise 400 percent in 5 years. You just dont want to admit that someone thats knee deep in the thick of this political bullshit and economical depression that Bush has put us through is right.

I dont think there has been as many Republicans and War Happy Patriotic Citizens that has turned on a President in the history of the World. I guess all those use-to-be Bush hopefuls are wrong too...

When gas is 6 bucks a gallon, we'll be able to ease our anger knowing that an Insurgency is being suppressed in another country on our dollar.

I say RIOT, and Bring this Bitch to its knees economically our own way. Lets just speed up Bushs fucked up plan.

SAM-- WHAT FUCKING WMD'S Its over man, so whats your point. I say you need to read NY Times and get up to date on your facts. Where are the WMD's you speak of...??? I live a block from a soldier thats in a picture with Saddam when he was captured whats your point. So you say ride this gas shit to the end huh. NO FUCKING NO. YOUR STUPID. IF THE FUCKING PRESIDENT DOESNT ALLOW THIS GRIMY ASS FUEL TO BE SOLD IN HIS COUNTRY THEY WOULD HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ADD ETHANOL TO IT. WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING TO DO NOT SELL US ANY. IT TAKES SOMEONE LIKE THE GOVERNOR OF MONTANA TO STAND UP AND DO WHAT BUSH'S BITCH ASS WONT. TELL THEM TO SELL CLEANER FUEL WHICH IS ETHANOL BASED THAT IS ALREADY BEING SOLD WHERE I LIVE FOR 2.24 A GALLON, OR GET THE FUCK ON WITH THAT. IM SORRY HE CANT, CAUSE THAT WOULD FUCK UP HIS SIDE HUSTLE HE HAS BANGING HIS OWN COUNTRY. IM SURE HE'D FLEE HIS CREW AS CAPTAIN IF THE SHIP WENT DOWN. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REALIZE HE DONT GIVE A FUCK.

I HOPE GOD TAKES THIS MUTHAFUCKA AWAY.
 
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Gas prices are killin my pockets... yeah I think Bush definitely got somethin to do with it. Don't he own a bunch of oil fields or some shit like that? Whoever the fuck is responsilble definitely needs to fix the shit. People are out here strugglin enough already....

As far as Iraq goes... its definitely some personal vendetta "i'm gonna finish what my daddy started" type bullshit goin on with George Dubya. There is a million other ways we could have went about the so called weapons of mass destruction shit or whatever the fuck the excuse was for invading Iraq. We are just creating more enemies. Yeah I bet he was in a tough position after 9-11, but it seems to me he was just lookin for any reason to go after Saddam. When we could have spent all our effort going after Osama. I think all this shit just started a chain of events that is going to end up leading to the end of civilization. And there's nothing I can do to single-handedly stop it... so I'm just gonna continue to handle my business, take care of my son, and make my music til the world blows up.
 
Jun 22, 2004
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NY Times a liberal paper for the liberal reader. MASZIVE U NEED TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE GAS COOKING. If president Bush said that they had to use ethenol added gasonline. Gas companies would go where thats right kids. Rock bottom. Same with the economy and then everyone would hate the government even more. Because some half-witted jackass like you wants to save a quick buck. Havent you ever herd the saying freedom isnt free. It was said for a reason.
-sam
 
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Gas prices are high because overall the world economy is doing pretty well and there is a very high global demand for gas that the refineries can't keep up with. That's a major part of the high gas prices.

Also keep in mind that when adjusted for inflation we are still under the record highs that occured in 79-80.

I'm not gonna get into the political side of this on here though out of respect for MasZive and Shep though.
 
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Charles....I aint even gonna get into it with your silly militant ass. You're getting too crazy. BOMB THIS, RIOT THAT.....RAH RAH RAH!!!

Come on man.

Oh yeah......gas did not cost 74 cents in 1999. The last time i remember it being under $1 is around 96-97.
 

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sam42004 said:
Okay. i know what the real world is. Ive seen more of it than most people on this forum. Im republican and i support bush even though hes dumb as hell. Im glad we invaded Iraq. I dont think an unstable corrupt regime should be allowed to have WMD's. And you can say they didnt but they did. They have found biological plants. And a scientist who worked for Saddam lives in my city now. He has told the media that he had to help create bilogical weapons for Saddam.


ABOUT SADDAM BEING CAPTURED. Yes that is how the story goes. because my ex girlfriends uncle (an 11 year veteran who has 2 tours in iraq and 1 in south korea) was in the group that captured Saddam. Their are many other things going on in Iraq that can't be realesed for the safety of the people of our country.

Gas Prices.

Dont shovel this on Bush. In reality politics doesnt effect the future of gas. Because it is the companies that controll it. They have many alteratives that are cleaner and more efficient than gas but they don't make them mainstream because they wont make half the money they are making now. They want to ride the gas train to the very end.

-sam

everything you said here is completely wrong and can be refuted. I hope you realize this.

There were no biological weapons plants.

There was no uranium.

There were no missles that could be used for long range attacks. And yes, saddam did have biological chemicals. Believe it or not, US sold them to him long before even the first gulf war. There were no plants that were making them.

My sister's dogwalker's brother's nephew served for 12 years in iraq, what's your point? Obviously the truth isn't being told about a lot of things dealing with iraq, and not just for securtiy reasons. The reason the lie was told about finding saddam in a hole was for PR reasons only, that's it.


Gas prices are most definitely related to politics. The president, believe it or not, has direct control over the prices, be it bush or clinton. I don't know if you remember this or not, but any time the prices started jumping for seemingly no reason, clinton would order an investigation, and the prices would drop. Bush did the same thing, for about a year of his term. Gas does not need to be this high. The oil companies are making the biggest profits that they have ever seen. While we are paying $2.60, iraqi's are baying $.05. Yes, it does have something to do with supply and demand, and closeness to the refineries, but gas still not need be this high, especially since the majority of our oil comes from... wait for it, yes Venezuela, not the middle east. Bush's invasion of iraq, which is most definitely political is affecting the oil price much more than wall street.

Be on the lookout guys, if gas prices hit $5 next year, stagflation is sure to occur. it has already begun, as transportation costs have already risen, and will continue to do so, making prices go up, but wages will be staying the same kids. The 70s strike back.
 

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by the way, ethonal is just as expensive as the gas prices now. the tradeoff is you get about double (of not more) the mileage.

and sam, this is for you:

“You can support the troops but not the president.”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.”
–Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
–Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

“[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
–Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

“American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.”
–Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
–Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
–Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

All said when Clinton bombed Bosnia. Kind of funny how people change so quickly, isn't it?
 
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NICK- Okay buddy... Do I have to post a picture of me working at Quik Trip in hmmm, 99' where we can see the gas prices behind me litterally saying actually 76 cents a gallon. One FACT!

Shep, you are on point, you know what your taling about. And dont trip, you can make a list of 20 things that is wrong with this picture and they will not give you an explanation why its otherwise, but will try to slander you with a bunch of shut ups and unclear excuses with no explanation for G Dubbs failures. Take it in stride.

Nick you know why I say bomb this and bomb that. Is because if yall can fall back on the heels of America Fuck Yeah, and sound like a bunch of Ol' Trailor park hicks jumping in a truck with a gun rack and a dog named Duke at the first signs of a war then I can too.

Dont give me that I want to make a quick buck, are you crazy. I've got what I had coming to me a long time ago, I get mine. It aint all about a personal paycheck from the president, I know that. That lets me know how ignorant you all are in producing facts. It aint all about me, thats where yall go wrong. I continue time after time stating that I know I aint blabbing about getting no check from this country, its all about all the people that are affected because if you muthafuckas dont know. I've seen it, did it, lived it, been in it. Was in the military for two years, never mentioned a word of it before now, spoke with Vietnam Vets and Desert Storm Vets about the twisted system of the Military and even though most were proud of their accomplishments, they didnt get fair treatment, thats why I opted out.

Yall the type that'll get wrongfully sentenced for a murder and then try to call on me to be yall lawyer once it hits home. Thats what it all boils down to. It aint hit home yet. You only see and feel what your eyes show you and your brain allows you to comprehend...

Ethanol here is 2.24 cents now. And where does Regular stand? $2.58-67 So Ethanol would help us a great deal. Am I worng for looking out for the small people???? Obviously I am.

freedom isn't free. It costs a buck o five... Thats the absolute answer to all our issues. If we want to coincide, then we gotta basically accept getting fucked for the sake of our Divided States that are only United when tragety hits.

So if they add Ethanol to their blend of gas, it'll take prices back to the way they were in the mid 90s, you mean to tell me they havent make over 2 trillion in the last quarter, do they need more cusion.???
 

CyrusTheVirus

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1. proved that you can win elections if your family is in politics (florida)
2. set all time records within the gas industry
3. sent military forces to see other parts of the world, especially the middle east
4. Gave Bill Maher a target for his political jokes.
5. showed us all that you don't have to be unemployed to take extremely long vacations quite often

That's just some bullshit that I could come up with in 5 min or less, President bush isn't worth anymore of my time. Even if I complain about everything I hate about him it will change nothing. If it was up to me, I think the law about president can only serve 2 terms should have been ratified and bill clinton should have been appointed president for the rest of his life. He be smokin weed, and gettin head from hoes. Haters were Hating but other country's never would have tried to step to us. HAHA, politics is not and never will be my thing. :confused: