Moon (sci fi and mindfuck fans)
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a supposed timeline
Here is a time line explaining the events leading up to, and taking place during "Moon":
Before the events of "Moon".
The real Sam Bell hired Tess as an intern. After her internship ended, he asked her out, they began a relationship and eventually married. Their marriage ran into difficulties and they separated for six months, then got back together. Sam trained as an astronaut and went to the Moon to work for Lunar Industries, extracting helium-3 from the soil for energy production. While Sam was on the Moon, Tess sent him video messages and showed him his daughter, Eve Bell, who was born around the time Sam left Earth.
After three years, Sam returns to Earth. Lunar Industries had decided that it is too expensive to train and ferry workers to and from the Moon: instead, they create clones of Sam (apparently about a hundred), implant them with the real Sam's memories and keep them cryogenically frozen.
The first clone (call him Sam 2) is sent into the main part of the base and is revived by the robot GERTY, who tells him that he had an accident, giving him an explanation of his lack of specific short term memories. Clone 1 serves his three year "contract". During this time, he is told that solar activity has damaged the communication satellite, making live communication with Tess impossible; in reality, she is continuing her life with the real Sam, and Lunar Industries just show Clone 1 videos of her original messages with all the videos Sam sends to her going nowhere. At the end of the three years, his health deteriorating, he enters a pod, where he is told by a video he will be cryogenically frozen for his return to Earth. A video of a Lunar Industries engineer explains this to him, ending with "goodbye". He is then cryogenically frozen, and an instant later, incinerated by pod. Eve is now 6 years old.
Sam 3 is awakened, serves his term and goes through relatively the same life that Clone 1 had; being incinerated at the end of three years. Eve is now 9.
Sam 4 then goes through the same process, serving his term and being incinerated. Eve is now 12. Tess dies at some point in Eve's childhood.
Sam 5 (the protagonist of Moon) then begins his term.
Event's during Moon As Sam 5's contract nears its end, he begins to suffer from hallucinations, one of which causes him to crash the moon buggy into a harvester. Lunar Industries assume him to be dead, and thaw out Sam 6, who rescues Sam 5 from the buggy. Although they suspect it, GERTY reveals that both are clones, and they discover that Lunar Industries are blocking their radio signals by surrounding them with antennas. Sam 5 drives out of range of the signal blocker and calls Sam Bell's home. Eve (now 15) answers, telling him that Tess is dead. Sam 5, overcome with emotions, begins asking about her, causing Eve to call for her Dad (revealing that the real Sam Bell is alive).
With only a few hours before the "rescue" team arrives, the Sams realize that if they are discovered together, they will both be killed. Sam 6 plans to launch Sam 5 back to Earth hidden in the helium-3 delivery vessel, and thaws out a new clone, Sam 7, to kill and take Sam 5's place in the rover. But Sam 5 realizes that he is already dying, and insists that Sam 6 be the one to escape. Sam 5 returns to the rover to die. After reprogramming a helium harvester to crash into one of the jammers and erasing GERTY's memory so there is no evidence that GERTY helped him, Sam 6 launches his escape, which Sam 5 sees in his final moments. Right as Sam 6 escapes, Sam 5 dies in the rover, GERTY reboots and Sam 7 finally awakens in the infirmary, the rescue team arrives, presumably finding Sam 7 and GERTY in a typical routine. The rescue team then go to the rover and find Sam 5 dead as they suspect, having no idea that Sam 6 escaped. The harvester is then shown destroying one of the antennas, resulting in the base computer reporting that a live up-link has been established (allowing the presently-clueless Sam 7 a direct link to Earth). As the vehicle Sam 6 is in is shown entering Earth's atmosphere, voice-overs from future news reports hint at worldwide media attention of the incident and legal hearings to which Sam 6 gives evidence.
Here is a time line explaining the events leading up to, and taking place during "Moon":
Before the events of "Moon".
The real Sam Bell hired Tess as an intern. After her internship ended, he asked her out, they began a relationship and eventually married. Their marriage ran into difficulties and they separated for six months, then got back together. Sam trained as an astronaut and went to the Moon to work for Lunar Industries, extracting helium-3 from the soil for energy production. While Sam was on the Moon, Tess sent him video messages and showed him his daughter, Eve Bell, who was born around the time Sam left Earth.
After three years, Sam returns to Earth. Lunar Industries had decided that it is too expensive to train and ferry workers to and from the Moon: instead, they create clones of Sam (apparently about a hundred), implant them with the real Sam's memories and keep them cryogenically frozen.
The first clone (call him Sam 2) is sent into the main part of the base and is revived by the robot GERTY, who tells him that he had an accident, giving him an explanation of his lack of specific short term memories. Clone 1 serves his three year "contract". During this time, he is told that solar activity has damaged the communication satellite, making live communication with Tess impossible; in reality, she is continuing her life with the real Sam, and Lunar Industries just show Clone 1 videos of her original messages with all the videos Sam sends to her going nowhere. At the end of the three years, his health deteriorating, he enters a pod, where he is told by a video he will be cryogenically frozen for his return to Earth. A video of a Lunar Industries engineer explains this to him, ending with "goodbye". He is then cryogenically frozen, and an instant later, incinerated by pod. Eve is now 6 years old.
Sam 3 is awakened, serves his term and goes through relatively the same life that Clone 1 had; being incinerated at the end of three years. Eve is now 9.
Sam 4 then goes through the same process, serving his term and being incinerated. Eve is now 12. Tess dies at some point in Eve's childhood.
Sam 5 (the protagonist of Moon) then begins his term.
Event's during Moon As Sam 5's contract nears its end, he begins to suffer from hallucinations, one of which causes him to crash the moon buggy into a harvester. Lunar Industries assume him to be dead, and thaw out Sam 6, who rescues Sam 5 from the buggy. Although they suspect it, GERTY reveals that both are clones, and they discover that Lunar Industries are blocking their radio signals by surrounding them with antennas. Sam 5 drives out of range of the signal blocker and calls Sam Bell's home. Eve (now 15) answers, telling him that Tess is dead. Sam 5, overcome with emotions, begins asking about her, causing Eve to call for her Dad (revealing that the real Sam Bell is alive).
With only a few hours before the "rescue" team arrives, the Sams realize that if they are discovered together, they will both be killed. Sam 6 plans to launch Sam 5 back to Earth hidden in the helium-3 delivery vessel, and thaws out a new clone, Sam 7, to kill and take Sam 5's place in the rover. But Sam 5 realizes that he is already dying, and insists that Sam 6 be the one to escape. Sam 5 returns to the rover to die. After reprogramming a helium harvester to crash into one of the jammers and erasing GERTY's memory so there is no evidence that GERTY helped him, Sam 6 launches his escape, which Sam 5 sees in his final moments. Right as Sam 6 escapes, Sam 5 dies in the rover, GERTY reboots and Sam 7 finally awakens in the infirmary, the rescue team arrives, presumably finding Sam 7 and GERTY in a typical routine. The rescue team then go to the rover and find Sam 5 dead as they suspect, having no idea that Sam 6 escaped. The harvester is then shown destroying one of the antennas, resulting in the base computer reporting that a live up-link has been established (allowing the presently-clueless Sam 7 a direct link to Earth). As the vehicle Sam 6 is in is shown entering Earth's atmosphere, voice-overs from future news reports hint at worldwide media attention of the incident and legal hearings to which Sam 6 gives evidence.
fillyacup, props for posting that because I was just about to ramble on with my thoughts forever LOL. I watched Moon last night and thought it was pretty good. I really enjoyed the concept because it was something new that I hadn't seen before. The story is excellent and I loved how everything came together at the end. I also felt Sam Rockwell did a terrific job of acting as he carries pretty much the entire film by himself and the screenplay was great as well especially in the scenes where he's fighting with his clone.
However, I kept wondering why this film had been raved on and on about and never really saw why. I mean, it was a great story and everything but like some people said earlier, I felt let down a bit. I don't have ADD and love to watch any type of movie but this one just didn't really keep me interested throughout....maybe I just wasn't in the mood for this type of movie.....
However, I kept wondering why this film had been raved on and on about and never really saw why. I mean, it was a great story and everything but like some people said earlier, I felt let down a bit. I don't have ADD and love to watch any type of movie but this one just didn't really keep me interested throughout....maybe I just wasn't in the mood for this type of movie.....
The problem with the movie was the situational responses of the main character. Acting was good but it was uneven. Very uneven.
So the first time you find a clone of yourself you do what?
1. Watch in disbelief and are relatively calm about it.
and
2. Revert to acting like an 8 year old.
Neither of those two choices was believable. And yet that's what we were presented with. Then the gerty computer seemed like too much of a HAL rip off that it was hard for me to take seriously.
And the whole premise of the movie...retarded. So the moon has some sort of mineral that is needed in order to produce clean energy on earth? Ok...let's say I can suspend disbelief enough for a second to believe that but now you're telling me that ONE person is somehow going to harvest enough of it for ALL of earth? Yeah...
And I don't know. Having only one real character wasn't enough to produce enough drama for me to really become interested in what was going on and the lack of a corporeal antagonist made it hard for me to sympathize with the main character.
All in all...it was very, very meh. And I'm being nice.
So the first time you find a clone of yourself you do what?
1. Watch in disbelief and are relatively calm about it.
and
2. Revert to acting like an 8 year old.
Neither of those two choices was believable. And yet that's what we were presented with. Then the gerty computer seemed like too much of a HAL rip off that it was hard for me to take seriously.
And the whole premise of the movie...retarded. So the moon has some sort of mineral that is needed in order to produce clean energy on earth? Ok...let's say I can suspend disbelief enough for a second to believe that but now you're telling me that ONE person is somehow going to harvest enough of it for ALL of earth? Yeah...
And I don't know. Having only one real character wasn't enough to produce enough drama for me to really become interested in what was going on and the lack of a corporeal antagonist made it hard for me to sympathize with the main character.
All in all...it was very, very meh. And I'm being nice.
GERTY is a big tribute to HAL. There are differences between the two, but the main thing is the interaction/relationship between the two. This is a good couple paragraphs:
Helium-3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3
One of the clearest plays on the ambiguous analogy between that movie’s computer HAL and Moon’s GERTY. In the earlier film, released shortly before the 1969 moon landing, the initially benevolent HAL turns murderous and manages to kill all but one of the spaceship’s crew, the last murder effected by luring one of the two remaining astronauts outside the ship. With this as a reference, the viewer of Moon is kept in a state of uncertainty regarding GERTY’s true nature. Is this a “good HAL” or a “bad HAL”?
[...]
In the 2001 sequel, 2010, we learn that HAL’s murderous behavior was the result of an impossible conflict between basic instructions to help the crew, on the one hand, with newer instructions to investigate the “Monolith” on the other, which he could not reveal to the crew. GERTY has a similar conflict between loyalty to the megacorp and instructions to provide support and companionship to Sam.
[...]
In the 2001 sequel, 2010, we learn that HAL’s murderous behavior was the result of an impossible conflict between basic instructions to help the crew, on the one hand, with newer instructions to investigate the “Monolith” on the other, which he could not reveal to the crew. GERTY has a similar conflict between loyalty to the megacorp and instructions to provide support and companionship to Sam.
Helium-3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3
The Moon's surface contains helium-3 at concentrations on the order of 0.01 ppm.[37][38] A number of people, starting with Gerald Kulcinski in 1986,[39] have proposed to explore the moon, mine lunar regolith and use the helium-3 for fusion. Because of the low concentrations of helium-3, any mining equipment would need to process extremely large amounts of regolith (over 100 million tons of regolith to obtain one ton of helium 3),[40] and some proposals have suggested that helium-3 extraction be piggybacked onto a larger mining and development operation.[citation needed]
The primary objective of Indian Space Research Organization's first lunar probe called Chandrayaan-I, launched on October 22, 2008, was reported in some sources to be mapping the Moon's surface for helium-3-containing minerals.
The primary objective of Indian Space Research Organization's first lunar probe called Chandrayaan-I, launched on October 22, 2008, was reported in some sources to be mapping the Moon's surface for helium-3-containing minerals.
Blah. What a cop out. The only difference between a rip off and a tribute is admitting one of them was done intentionally.
Besides it doesn't change the fact that the character was still HAL. And it would have been nice if they had at least gone with a more creative alternative.
Although, very slightly insightful, it only touched half of what I said.
So this helium-3 is harvested by one person? Did they mention what it was in the movie? They really could have done a better job at creating interest in what he was doing up there. Which they didn't.
Sorry fanboys. This movie just isn't that great.
Besides it doesn't change the fact that the character was still HAL. And it would have been nice if they had at least gone with a more creative alternative.
Although, very slightly insightful, it only touched half of what I said.
So this helium-3 is harvested by one person? Did they mention what it was in the movie? They really could have done a better job at creating interest in what he was doing up there. Which they didn't.
Sorry fanboys. This movie just isn't that great.