Boxing pound 4 pound top 10

[2-0-Sixx]

Over 20 Industry SportsWriters/Professionals: Floyd is P4P #1.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Points: 266 (15 of 28 first-place votes)
Record: 40-0 (25 KOs)
Title: No title
Last outing: W12 over No. 6 Juan Manuel Marquez on Sept. 19
Previous ranking: Unranked
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Was brilliant in one-sided beatdown

2. Manny Pacquiao
Points: 265 (13 of 28 first-place votes)
Record: 49-3-2 (37 KOs)
Title: Ring Magazine super lightweight champion
Last outing: TKO2 over Ricky Hatton on May 2
Previous ranking: 1
Up next: vs. No. 7 Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14
Analysis: A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight in 2010 could be the richest bout ever

3. Paul Williams
Points: 180
Record: 37-1 (27 KOs)
Title: Interim WBO junior middleweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Winky Wright on April 11
Previous ranking: 3
Up next: vs. Kelly Pavlik on Dec. 5
Analysis: Can fight and compete in three divisions simultaneously?

4. (tie) Bernard Hopkins
Points: 155
Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs)
Title: Ring light heavyweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Kelly Pavlik on Oct. 18
Previous ranking: 4
Up next: TBA
Analysis: Trying but failing to land a significant fight

4. (tie) Shane Mosley
Points: 155
Record: 46-5 (39 KOs)
Title: WBA welterweight champion
Last outing: TKO9 over Antonio Margarito on Jan. 24
Previous ranking: 5
Up next: Welterweight unification fight with Andre Berto in January
Analysis: On outside looking in on Pacquiao, Mayweather sweepstakes

6. Juan Manuel Marquez
Points: 147
Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs)
Title: WBA, WBO, Ring lightweight champion
Last outing: L12 to No. 1 Floyd Mayweather Jr. on Sept. 19
Previous ranking: 2
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Had nothing to offer against Mayweather

7. Miguel Cotto
Points: 129
Record: 34-1 (27 KOs)
Title: WBO welterweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Joshua Clottey on June 13
Previous ranking: 6
Up next: vs. No. 1 Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 14 in Las Vegas
Analysis: Showed much moxie fighting for 10 rounds with deep gash above eye.

8. (tie) Chad Dawson
Points: 53
Record: 28-0 (17 KOs)
Title: IBF light heavyweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Antonio Tarver on May 9
Previous ranking: 7
Up next: Rematch with Glen Johnson on Nov. 7 in Hartford, Conn.
Analysis: Hopes to make statement with clear win over veteran Johnson

8. (tie) Juan Manuel Lopez
Points: 38
Record: 26-0 (24 KOs)
Title: WBO super bantamweight champion
Last outing: TKO9 Olivier Lontchi on June 27
Previous ranking: 10
Up next: Vs. Rogers Mtgawa on Oct. 10 in New York
Analysis: Fast climbing power-puncher

10. Wladimir Klitschko
Points: 35
Record: 53-3 (47 KOs)
Titles: IBF, WBO heavyweight champion
Last outing: TKO9 over Ruslan Chagaev on June 20
Previous ranking: NR
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Recovering from surgery and won’t fight until early 2010

Others receiving votes: Ivan Calderon 31; Rafael Marquez 24; Arthur Abraham 20; Chris John, 11; Nonito Donaire 5; Timothy Bradley, Mikkel Kessler, Vitali Klitschko 4; Celestino Caballero 2; Hozumi Hasegawa 1.

Voting panel: Raul Alzaga, Primera Hora; Carlos Arias, Orange County Register; Ron Borges, Boston Herald; Steve Cofield, Yahoo! Sports; Dave Cokin, ESPN Radio 1100, Las Vegas; Brian Doogan, London Sunday Times; Andrew Eisele, About.com; Scott Fyfe, Sunday Post, Scotland; Thomas Gerbasi, Boxingscene.com; Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com; Thomas Hauser, Seconds Out.com; Keith Idec, Herald News, New Jersey; Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports; Michael Katz, Gaming Today; Scott Mallon, Asian Boxing News.com; Rich Marotta, KLAC-AM; David Mayo, Grand Rapids Press; Franklin McNeil, Newark Star Ledger; Gunnar Meinhardt, Die Welt; Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News; Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters; Santos Perez, Miami Herald; Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports; Tim Smith, New York Daily News; T.K. Stewart, Boxingscene.com; Paul Upham, Seconds Out.com; John Whisler, San Antonio Express-News; George Willis, New York Post.

 

[MOREBASS]

Hmm, I'm a little skeptical of having Paul Williams up that high. Don't get me wrong, I've been a P-Will supporter since day one, but I think he has to prove himself against more top level opposition.

Margarito win was nice, so was his first round destruction over Quinana after his sole loss, and then beating up Winky after he hadn't fought in 2 years was also impressive.


But still...those are some really great fighters up there. It isn't Paul's fault that he's a horrible matchup problem for most fighters from 147-154.


I think if Manny pulls out a win in November, there is no doubt that he should be atop that list, almost universally. He would hold wins over 2 current top 10 P4P fighters in the world.

That would be impressive.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

Floyd at #1 P4P, and rightfully so. He earned his spot back by doing what he has continued to do and that's win decisively.

I don't mind Paul being up that high, considering that I hold fighters who are dangerous and highly avoided in high regard. That's the same reason B-Hop and Shane are also ranked so high though they haven't had fights in along time. Anyone who steps in the ring with any of those three had better bring their complete arsenal and A-Game, or a loss eminent.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

The fight with DLH was a calculated risk my friend, one in which the factors had to take away DLH's strengths to make it a worthwhile fight and in the end it turned out to be a joke. The Hatton fight showed Hatton was shot just as Mayweather had previously said. Manny is a warrior, no doubt. So is Mayweather.

I'd say that the Marquez fight was a "calculated risk" for PBF as well...

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Bradley will be in the top 10 soon enough.
I can't believe Donaire gets votes...

 

[dome781]

Abraham, Kessler, Vitali or Wladimir deserve a spot more than Donaire does. Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez? Those guys just got cleared to fight again and they are fighting tune ups.

One of the 4 Euro's I mentioned should easily replace 1 of the 3 I just mentioned.

Mikkel Kessler for sure

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^Kessler hasn't beat anyone to be worthy of the top 10 yet, imo.

The Ring just updated their top 10, btw, and I'm kind of scratching my head... how does mosley jump hopkins? Why is donaire higher than cotto? eh..


1. Manny Pacquiao
Country: Philippines
Record: 49-3-2 (37 KOs)


2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)
Record: 40-0-0 (25 KOs)

3. Shane Mosley
Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)
Record: 46-5-0 (39 KOs)

4. Bernard Hopkins
Country: USA (Philadelphia, Pa.)
Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs)

5. Juan Manuel Marquez
Country: Mexico
Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs)

6. Nonito Donaire
Country: USA (San Leandro, Calif.)
Record: 22-1-0 (14 KOs)

7. Miguel Cotto
Country: Puerto Rico
Record: 34-1-0 (27 KOs)


8. Celestino Caballero
Country: Panama
Record: 33-2-0 (23 KOs)


9. Israel Vazquez
Country: Mexico
Record: 44-4-0 (32 KOs)

10. Rafael Marquez
Country: Mexico
Record: 38-5-0 (34 KOs)

 

[dome781]

^^Kessler hasn't beat anyone to be worthy of the top 10 yet, imo.

true but you gotta admit he looked pretty good in that Joe Calzaghe fight even thow he lost that one.i think he been wantin to fight Hopkins but my guess is he wouldnt wanna lose again to another white boy

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^Kessler looked good for the first 2 or 3 rounds then looked completely one dimensional after that against Calzaghe, in other words Joe made him look completely overrated.

And please, hopkins would school kessler badly he would make him look like kelly pavlik. Hopkins is a master at beating one dimensional fighters - Pavlik, Tarver and Trinidad - all three of these guys looked like hot garbage against Hopkins and for a reason - hopkins takes away their best weapons by taking away their jabs & 1-2 punch. None of these guys landed shit on hopkins because they couldn't set up their shots and they got embarrassed. Kessler would fit perfectly into that category, he's just too robotic to beat someone like hopkins, all he has is his 1-2 punch and if he cant land that to set up his shots, he's got absolutely nothing left, just like against Calzaghe he was too confused and had no idea what else to do.

 

[REdRUM]

^^Kessler hasn't beat anyone to be worthy of the top 10 yet, imo.

The Ring just updated their top 10, btw, and I'm kind of scratching my head... how does mosley jump hopkins? Why is donaire higher than cotto? eh..

Floyd is considered by many the p4p top dog...and Marquez loses to him, after jumping weight, Floyd not coming down, etc...and he drops that far?

I thought they'd give him 3...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^^well I don't think it has much to do with the fact he lost to Floyd, since most thought he'd lose anyway, but rather how he lost. He looked like shit, plain & simple. The Ring mag didn't put much into the weight difference in the pre-fight breakdown of the fight and predicted a relitively close fight. So for Marquez to get completely shut out in the fashion he did is what dropped him a few spots. Obviously that's debatable.

But honestly, he's lucky to have only dropped a few spots. I remember when Bernard Hopkins was pound 4 pound #1 in all of boxing and after his losses to Jermain Taylor, even though they were extremely close and highly debatable, he was removed from the top 10 completely (until he beat Tarver of course).

 

[REdRUM]

I can understand that, but in that case, why even have Hopkins up there? I think if you're idle long enough, could someone not move past you? He hasn't fought in over a year...

Either way, it doesn't really matter; I don't see Marquez ever moving up to where he was, unfortunately. Fights with Hatton, for example, won't do much for him. Hopefully he does fight again, and not against some bum named Hipolito de la Rosa from Guatamala.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I can understand that, but in that case, why even have Hopkins up there? I think if you're idle long enough, could someone not move past you? He hasn't fought in over a year...

Well Bernard just barely held on to his spot. The Ring magazine's official rules for inactivity is that if a fighter hasn't fought in one year's time AND has no immediate match scheduled, that person will be removed from the rankings. Hopkins scheduled his tune up fight just under a years time (last month, which was 11 months and some change since he last fought), therefor he remains on the top ten (however for whatever reason shane mosley jumped him a spot even though shane hasn't fought in nearly as long).

Either way, it doesn't really matter; I don't see Marquez ever moving up to where he was, unfortunately. Fights with Hatton, for example, won't do much for him. Hopefully he does fight again, and not against some bum named Hipolito de la Rosa from Guatamala.

Agreed, the problem though I see with Marquez from here on out is he said he wanted to stay at 147, which was surprising to me. He really belongs at 135 and even 140 is pushing it a bit, but I don't think he's ever going to stop chasing pacquiao, which may be his downfall because realistically, the only way pacquiao will fight him at this point is if pacquiao starts losing.

 

[MOREBASS]

Even at 135, Marquez looked like he had reached the highest he could go and still be effective. He did come out with KO wins in both of his fights, but not before almost being out on his feet himself.

At this point in his career, I think he's doing the smart thing and trying to cash in on the Mayweather Sweepstakes, and get the big money fights before he retires.

 

[REdRUM]

Marquez needs to stay at 135, at the most. He should hope that Manny loses to Cotto, and if Mayweather decides Manny ''doesn't deserve'' a shot at him, then maybe he'll get his Pacquiao fight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I made a new list out of boredom.

Mosley should be dropped, Marquez should be dropped as well.

Here is mine as of now:

1.Manny Pacquiao
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Nonito Donaire
4.Andre Ward
5.Sergio Martinez
6.Paul Williams
7.Timothy Bradley
8.Wlad Klitschko*
9.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10.Celestino Caballero


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JuanMa Lopez, Fernando Montiel, Marquez, Lucian Bute, Miguel Cotto, Hopkins, Gamboa, Alexander, Dirrell, Adamek are all are just a fight or two away from being on the list.

*Some people use heavyweights in their top ten, some don't. I choose to do so to give Wlad the credit he deserves especially after his previous dominating performance.

 

[bigface]

2-0-Sixx that's a good list. I have Manny at #1 because he's more active.

 

[REdRUM]

Your list sucks.

Put Marquez back.

LOL

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^if he beats Katsidis he'll be back on. I just don't think he should get too much credit for beating Diaz who lost 4 of his last 6 fights and of course prior to that he lost to floyd.

Also his brother Rafael could be on the list too if he upsets Lopez coming up

 

[Tony]

2-0-Sixx that's a good list. I have Manny at #1 because he's more active.

LOL, I was thinking the samething.... But I'll still keep Mayweather at number one because he beat the crap out of Shane earlier this year. I can see an argument being made for Pacquiao though because he's busier and fighting more.