Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

[L Mac-a-docious]

Show yer tits fer da ladssssssssssssss

 

[TROLL]

Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong were atheistic commies. Atheism was part of their core communist beliefs. If they killed for communism they killed for atheism as well.

2-0-sixx handled that ridiculous assertion before and much better then i could...

Hitler killed for reasons of ethnic cleansing and was not athiest..

Stalin was athiest but your claim that "if they killed for communism they killed for athiesim" is a way to make the intent of a political genoicde symbiotic with religious genocide, when that was not the case at all..

 

[TROLL]

but why only mention in amerika when religion, (world-wide) shows a much larger scale?? the Inquisition?

It is strange to witness the passion with which some secular figures rail against the misdeeds of the Crusaders and Inquisitors more than 500 years ago. The number sentenced to death by the Spanish Inquisition appears to be about 10,000. Some historians contend that an additional 100,000 died in jail due to malnutrition or illness.

Question:
How many people died from the Inquisition?

Answer:
More than 50 million people died during the Inquisition.

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates.doc

"it has been estimated by careful and reputed historians of the Catholic Inquisition that 50 million people were slaughtered for the crime of "heresy" by Roman persecutors between the A.D. 606 and the middle of the 19th century"

http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/How_many_people_died_from_the_Inquisition

:cheeky:

 

[TROLL]

The problem with this critique is that it exaggerates the crimes attributed to religion, while ignoring the greater crimes of secular fanaticism. The best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials. How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.

that was salem, how many got burned for allegedly being a witch WORLDWIDE?

These sources suggest a figure between 60,000 [6] and 300,000 [2] deaths in all of Europe due to the witch hunts.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/witches.shtml

During the course of three centuries, it is estimated that somewhere between 30,000 and 60,000 people were tried, tortured and executed because of their connections to witchcraft

http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/1999/oct2599/25witch.html



oh but i guess those dont count because its much easier to help the article by only mentioning salem eh? tsk tsk.. u should kno by now that articles and opinions based on half-truths and partial logic will be verbally picked apart and proven to be contrary to the truth of the matter..



bottom line, if that articles efforts were to water-down or sanitize the deaths that were caused by religious purposes it does a horrid job of backing up its claim..
LMFAO@the following quotes..

These figures are tragic, and of course population levels were much lower at the time. But even so, they are minuscule compared with the death tolls produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century.

but wait, didnt he just say the pop. levels were lower back then yet goes on to say they were miniscule compared to the death tollz produced in the 20th century??

he same is true today. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not, at its core, a religious one. It arises out of a dispute over self-determination and land. Hamas and the extreme orthodox parties in Israel may advance theological claims - "God gave us this land" and so forth - but the conflict would remain essentially the same even without these religious motives. Ethnic rivalry, not religion, is the source of the tension in Northern Ireland and the Balkans.

LOL.. if they didnt think it was god-given land would they fight and die for it??

Dawkins and Harris cannot explain why, if Nazism was directly descended from medieval Christianity, medieval Christianity did not produce a Hitler.

it instead produced a christopher colombus::
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/nativeiq/columbus.htm

 

[XxtraMannish]

Absolutly....Look at most athiest governments, they try to abolish ALL religion and anyone that stands up for their beliefs are murdered in cold blood and this has been gong on for many moons now.

Actually, that sounds much more like a theist government.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Absolutly....Look at most athiest governments, they try to abolish ALL religion and anyone that stands up for their beliefs are murdered in cold blood and this has been gong on for many moons now.

Really? Tell me exactly which countries have atheist governments.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Really? Tell me exactly which countries have atheist governments.

He sounds like me when I first started posted in the GOM.

 

[XxtraMannish]

ok, then tell me. whats so corrupt about the bible. even if you took away god from the bible it would still be a book that teaches morals, good character, and discipline. i truly dont see how this can possibly lead someone to killing. the only fault i see in this system is the human error.

corrupt - to alter from the original

 

[ilikeballs]

corrupt - to alter from the original

ok, i get, its altered. but even if it was altered, i dont see your point on it being the force behind mass murders?? your not telling me how a book that talks about self improvement and self control leads to mass murders without someone misinterpreting it.

 

[XxtraMannish]

ok, i get, its altered. but even if it was altered, i dont see your point on it being the force behind mass murders?? your not telling me how a book that talks about self improvement and self control leads to mass murders without someone misinterpreting it.

I never made that point. You assumed that was my point. My point is that atheism is NOT a driving force behind any of the mass murders in history.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Burn Bibles? How many German Soldiers have you talked to that told you that???

This was common in commie countries.

 

[ilikeballs]

I never made that point. You assumed that was my point. My point is that atheism is NOT a driving force behind any of the mass murders in history.

lol...but it is...and it uses and hides behind religion to control the masses.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This was common in commie countries.

Which commie countries?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Russia, China, Germany, to rid themselves of Jewish Tradition, or anything anti-communist or contrary to the movement. Germany burned books written by Jewish Authors, or any book un-german, Russia did the same, and so did China.

 

[I AM]

Religion is a tool to make stupid people do shit.

Gov't's/people use it to motivate people to do things they don't understand, such as war.

Wars may not be caused directly because of religion, but religion plays a role in it for the masses, because they're too stupid to understand what's going on.

I'd say it's a 50/50 thing, or close. It's not just one side being wrong in this case.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Russia, China, Germany, to rid themselves of Jewish Tradition, or anything anti-communist or contrary to the movement. Germany burned books written by Jewish Authors, or any book un-german, Russia did the same, and so did China.

Germany was NOT communist.*

Please show me examples of Russia and China burning bibles.


**EDIT**
Unless you're talking about the Soviet occupied Eastern Germany after WWII, and if so, please provide examples.

 

[I AM]

2-0, all those Eastern European countries are the same, you don't know what you're talking about!!!!

 

[XxtraMannish]

lol...but it is...and it uses and hides behind religion to control the masses.

Right, because everybody knows that nobody who ever believed in some type of creator has ever killed anything, and especially NOT in the name of a divine creator. That type of thing has never happened in the history of history ever. Case closed. I give up, you're just too sharp for me.

 

[HERESY]

Religion is a tool to make stupid people do shit.

The same can be said for money, sex, drugs, alcohol, or any other vice known to man. It can also be said for numerous beliefs and ideaologies not pertaining to religion.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Germany was NOT communist.*

Please show me examples of Russia and China burning bibles.


**EDIT**
Unless you're talking about the Soviet occupied Eastern Germany after WWII, and if so, please provide examples.

Oops, I got caught up with Russian and China. Wait up.