Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

[ilikeballs]

no it is not. evolution does not say that there is no god.

we are all humans. so we are susepctable to anything. so your whole argument that religion is the ultimate reason why we are unable to attain peace, than your clearly wrong and totally denying all other variables, including human flaw.

 

[ilikeballs]

no it is not. evolution does not say that there is no god.

but it clearly implies

 

[XxtraMannish]

we are all humans. so we are susepctable to anything. so your whole argument that religion is the ultimate reason why we are unable to attain peace, than your clearly wrong and totally denying all other variables, including human flaw.

I never made that argument.

 

[ilikeballs]

^^^And regarding Pope John Paul's support of evolution theory?

lol...man, the church is corrupted. if the pope supports the evolution theory thats his choice. not mine. but if you can show me the logic connection between the two, then i will support it. until then i'll keep my peace.

 

[XxtraMannish]

but it clearly implies

well, so far, from what I can tell, you are very adept at seeing things that aren't there. You have so far in this thread attributed two different things to me that i have never said, so you seeing that does not surprise me.

 

[ilikeballs]

^OK, since its a choice, can you just decide at this very moment, not to believe in God?

no because that would mean denying my logic. which is the whole reason i believe in god in the first place.

 

[XxtraMannish]

lol...man, the church is corrupted. if the pope supports the evolution theory thats his choice. not mine. but if you can show me the logic connection between the two, then i will support it. until then i'll keep my peace.

so could it be then, that the Bible is also corrupted? (the document that you claim refutes even the remote possibility of evolution)

 

[XxtraMannish]

no because that would mean denying my logic. which is the whole reason i believe in god in the first place.

so you concede that believing or not believing in God is not a choice?

 

[ilikeballs]

who said that?

"that does not mean any mass murders are a result of atheism"

you did

 

[ilikeballs]

so could it be then, that the Bible is also corrupted?

yes, thats why i look at what the intentions of the bible are. and the intention is not corrupted

 

[ilikeballs]

so you concede that believing or not believing in God is not a choice?

no, because after you know god exist, you then have a choice in believing what he says or not. although it would be stupid not to believe if he indeed exist.

 

[XxtraMannish]

you did

no. you said, that I said:

this is what i call being a hypocrite. killers only stem from religion and not from atheism

show me where I said that killers only come from religions.

 

[Hutch]

jon, you're a nugget.

2-0-Sixx said it best when he stated;

No wars have ever been launched in the name of Atheism. There is no Atheism doctrine or "Atheist bible" that instructs people to kill the believers. There are no Atheist fanatics that bomb buildings or declare a war of terror.

If wars are started and people murdered, and those perpetrators are athiests, why would you assume that athiesm is the cause of these terrible acts? The same can be said about any fictional character - I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster. If I start a war, does that mean I started that war BECAUSE I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster? If you answer yes, you're a dumb shit. Change the words 'flying spaghetti monster' for 'God' and you get the point.

 

[XxtraMannish]

yes, thats why i look at what the intentions of the bible are. and the intention is not corrupted

how can you know that if you know the Bible may be corrupted? Wouldnt the entire point of corrupting it in the first place be to corrupt the intent?

 

[Hutch]

no, because after you know god exist, you then have a choice in believing what he says or not. although it would be stupid not to believe if he indeed exist.

Anyone who claims that they KNOW God exists is full of shit.

 

[XxtraMannish]

no, because after you know god exist, you then have a choice in believing what he says or not. although it would be stupid not to believe if he indeed exist.

so its not a choice. thank you.

 

[ilikeballs]

show me where I said that killers only come from religions.

"that does not mean any mass murders are a result of atheism"
you didnt, but if you deny that killers dont stem from atheism than you are being a hypocrite, because they can stem from anything.

 

[XxtraMannish]

"that does not mean any mass murders are a result of atheism"
you didnt, but if you deny that killers dont stem from atheism than you are being a hypocrite, because they can stem from anything.

I know. Too bad for your whole point about me being a hypocrite.

 

[ilikeballs]

jon, you're a nugget.

2-0-Sixx said it best when he stated;



If wars are started and people murdered, and those perpetrators are athiests, why would you assume that athiesm is the cause of these terrible acts? The same can be said about any fictional character - I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster. If I start a war, does that mean I started that war BECAUSE I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster? If you answer yes, you're a dumb shit. Change the words 'flying spaghetti monster' for 'God' and you get the point.

no, but you cant say anything about that other than a war was started. you dont know why. but it is possible that the war was started from the hatred of such a god. therefore you being atheist and not liking my believes can lead you to a war can it not?

 

[ilikeballs]

how can you know that if you know the Bible may be corrupted? Wouldnt the entire point of corrupting it in the first place be to corrupt the intent?

how can the intent to love be corrupted? what evils stem from love with self control.