Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

[ilikeballs]

^^^in terms of the topic on hand, nothing yet. i must understand where your coming from in order to undestand your perspective. thats why i asked you personal question. but yeah i has nothing to do with the topic yet.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

My personal beliefs (or lack thereof) have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[ilikeballs]

What do evolutionists and creationists have to do with the belief in a god?

one believes in god and one doestn.

WTF are you offering in terms of the topic at hand? Are you contributing to this thread or simply asking 2-0-Sixx questions regarding Atheism? If so, I suggest you either create a new thread, PM me, search for older threads or contact me by other means.

i am not offering anything to the topic at hand, yet. but i will pm you when have the chance

 

[2-0-Sixx]

one believes in god and one doestn.

Completely false.

There are many theists that believe in evolution as well as evolutionists that are theists.

i am not offering anything to the topic at hand, yet. but i will pm you when have the chance

Alright

 

[XxtraMannish]

i think the article was about the actual killers being athiest and not wether they killed in the name of athieism.

even if that's the case, that does not mean any mass murders are a result of atheism. What about the countless atheists that never killed anybody?

 

[XxtraMannish]

^^^so your saying until the evidence is presented to you either by evolutionist or creationst you will reamain neutral on the subject? only when presented with concrete info by either side, then you will make a choice between believing in god or not? and until that time your going to deny any existence of any god and go by what YOU feel is right. even though what you think is right is subject to corruption. and if you say that what i believe in is also subject to curroption then we must both examine our purpose for such believes. so i guess my question is MORE relevant now than ever, what do you offer me if you believe in nothing? NOTHING

Believing in God is not a choice. You either believe or you don't based on whatever makes sense to you. You dont CHOOSE to believe fire is hot or not, for example.

 

[XxtraMannish]

one believes in god and one doestn. (regarding evolutionists and creationists)

really? so are you saying that the Pope John Paul II didn't believe in God? He supported the theory of evolution.

 

[ilikeballs]

Completely false.

There are many theists that believe in evolution as well as evolutionists that are theists.

your logical, tell me, is it logical to believe in both evolution and creation if they are polar oppisates? can you believe in both and still come to a logical believe.

 

[XxtraMannish]

your logical, tell me, is it logical to believe in both evolution and creation if they are polar oppisates? can you believe in both and still come to a logical believe.

they are not polar opposites. evolution theory doesnt even have anything to say regarding a god.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

They are not polar opposites. One could say, "God created the universe, our galaxy, the sun, earth and the first form of life and life evolved from there."

Evolution does not contradict the belief in a god. It may however contradict certain parts of specific religions.

 

[ilikeballs]

Believing in God is not a choice. You either believe or you don't based on whatever makes sense to you. You dont CHOOSE to believe fire is hot or not, for example.

it's is only a choice when you have the knowledge to know you have a choice. if you didnt know fire is hot it would be logical to say that it can be anything. but as we all know fire is not anything and is indeed hot, weather you believe it is or not. the fact still remains and you can chose to totally ignore the fact or live by it. one believe allows you to use fire as a tool and the other allows you to do nothing with it becaue you dont know anything about it.

 

[ilikeballs]

even if that's the case, that does not mean any mass murders are a result of atheism. What about the countless atheists that never killed anybody?

this is what i call being a hypocrite. killers only stem from religion and not from atheism

 

[XxtraMannish]

it's is only a choice when you have the knowledge to know you have a choice. if you didnt know fire is hot it would be logical to say that it can be anything. but as we all know fire is not anything and is indeed hot, weather you believe it is or not. the fact still remains and you can chose to totally ignore the fact or live by it. one believe allows you to use fire as a tool and the other allows you to do nothing with it becaue you dont know anything about it.

whatever, bad example maybe, but my point stands that beliving in God is not a choice. Its not like you can just decide one day "OK, I believe in God now."

 

[XxtraMannish]

this is what i call being a hypocrite. killers only stem from religion and not from atheism

who said that?

 

[ilikeballs]

they are not polar opposites. evolution theory doesnt even have anything to say regarding a god.

and religion has everything to say about god. you tell me, is that not a polar opposite

 

[XxtraMannish]

and religion has everything to say about god. you tell me, is that not a polar opposite

no it is not. evolution does not say that there is no god.

 

[ilikeballs]

They are not polar opposites. One could say, "God created the universe, our galaxy, the sun, earth and the first form of life and life evolved from there."

Evolution does not contradict the belief in a god. It may however contradict certain parts of specific religions.

thats kind of deceitful, but let see. what is the defenition of evolution and what do i have to believe in to truly understand evolution? i find that i cannto believe in one without getting rid of the other.
your example proves me righ "God created the universe, our galaxy, the sun, earth and the first form of life and life evolved from there." thats illogical because the bible is telling him that we have not changed in form since we were created. evolution clearly says we evolved from a monkeys. polar opposite. unless you destort the line of truth.

 

[XxtraMannish]

^^^And regarding Pope John Paul's support of evolution theory?

 

[ilikeballs]

whatever, bad example maybe, but my point stands that beliving in God is not a choice. Its not like you can just decide one day "OK, I believe in God now."

yes you can. but you need something to base that choice on, only you know what that something is.

 

[XxtraMannish]

^OK, since its a choice, can you just decide at this very moment, not to believe in God?