$8 BILLION bipartisan Roads budget (for WA)

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All the taxpayers are gonna be REAL happy about this shit...Making a NEW floating fucking bridge....if they make a new viaduct i hope they all drown...that shit is hideous, and the new one would be like twice as high as the current piece of shit viaduct....

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http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_032707POLBwasenate_roadbudgetJM.7bb3b5e.html

OLYMPIA, Wash. - Senate transportation leaders on Tuesday unveiled a bipartisan $8.1 billion highway budget for Washington that covers hefty cost overruns on hundreds of road and bridge projects.

The two-year spending plan identifies nearly all of the money needed to build a new Highway 520 floating bridge across Lake Washington and adopts a new $915 million plan for initial work on a replacement for Seattle's waterfront Alaskan Way Viaduct.

The proposal, higher than the $7.4 billion version that cleared the state House a day earlier, accelerates some major road projects and pledges to eventually build all 432 road and bridge projects that were promised when lawmakers approved gas-tax hikes.

The Legislature boosted the tax by a nickel four years ago and approved a four-step, 9 1/2-cent increase two years later. The state tax is now at 34 cents a gallons and rises 2 cents in July, with a final 1.5 cents one year later.

Besides "mega-projects" like the viaduct and floating bridge, the proposal includes freeway improvements, new connector roads, safety improvements on many highways, four new ferry boats, freight rail and road projects, car pool lanes, and passenger rail and other non-highway approaches to moving goods and people.

Many of the projects, such as improvements on Interstate 90 over Snoqualmie Pass, are racking up big cost overruns, mostly because of soaring cost of materials as China and other nations and states build out their infrastructure.

Senate Transportation Chairwoman Mary Margaret Haugen, D-Camano Island, noted that her budget includes no new projects and that many expensive and necessary proposals eventually will need financing. She said new revenue will be required, including state, regional, federal money and tolls. She didn't have a timeline or further specifics.

The Senate proposal would allow a scheduled 2.5 percent ferry fare increase to proceed in May. The House has approved a one-year fare freeze. Fares rose 6 percent last year. Both houses would freeze terminal projects for two years while a study of ferry usage and terminal needs is conducted.

The Senate's budget, which drew the blessings of minority Republicans, should clear the upper chamber by week's end. House-Senate negotiators then will be assigned to write a compromise plan during the final three weeks of the legislative session.
 

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Yeah, it's been almost a year I think since the Viaduct issue came up, and that thing is a piece of shit, I use to have to drive through there every day going to work, and coming back.

Not to mention 520 is pretty much fine, I just drove over it Friday. They're more worried about an earthquake happening and a bunch of people dying. Hell, I say let the fuckers die, that's life. I'd rather have 10-20 people have to scrammble getting out their windows cause 520 broke and they're in the water trying to get out, rather than spend a ton of money to build a new one now...let the one we have fall...lol...but that's all tied into my political beliefs which we won't get into.

$8 Billion is A LOT of god damn money. I don't think they even know yet what they're going to do about the Viaduct...I saw commercials for propositions about tearing it down and putting in a normal road, but I heard there's also proposals to make it BIGGER than it already is, pretty much blocking any view of the water that people had around there.

The people in gov't in Seattle are fucking idiots, and so are the residents for voting for these assholes (or the assholes that put those assholes in that position).
 

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Education isn't much better, might as well call it Acculturation cause that's what it really is. If the education system wasn't completely biased I'd have more sympathy but it only teaches kids to be capitalists. Again, I won't go further cause my political beliefs don't have anything to do with this, but seriously, everything in this country is related to how "great" America is, when it's really a cesspool, and the government is pretty much a ring of organized crime that buy votes cause people are too stupid to think when they see ads on TV and know it's all bullshit.....ok...maybe a little bit of my political beliefs...LOL...
 
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I do know that we can't just keep throwing money at the education system anymore! How about we fire half of the damn administrators who make 60k a year and spend the money a little more wisley...like pay the teachers. My kids busdrivers are so underpaid that the turnover rate is off the meter...like one quitting every month. They be dropping my kid off like 2 miles down the road cause they don't stick around enough to be familiar with which kid goes where! Now THAT'S bullshit! Me running all over the hood trying to find my 6year old daughter! Hell No!
 

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^^that's definitely not cool at all.

@Dstrcution--the west side gets the most cause there are more taxpayers over there and more voters to keep happy.
 
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how come the west side of the state gets all the money?? we're getting fucked out here
I know there are people on the east that want to break away and form a separate state, making eastern washington the 51st state:

51st state movement gains momentum

By Lynne Miller Herald Basin Bureau

A push to make Eastern Washington the 51st state appears to be gaining momentum.

It's no joke to the 11 state senators who sponsored the bill that if passed would create a new state boundary along counties that border the Cascades.

Those lawmakers agree differences in lifestyles, culture and economics divide the state. But it's still unknown how a separation would affect the east side financially, said representatives from Eastern Washington cities and counties.

And a contentious governor's race didn't help matters any, said state Sen. Joyce Mulliken, R-Ephrata.

"I think we have a pretty strong message, recognizing the social and political disparity across the state" Mulliken said.

Constituents have flooded Mulliken's office with letters and phone calls, complaining that economic and social policies have served Central Puget Sound too well, she said.

Mulliken said the east side of the state could support itself because area lawmakers would find a way to create a healthy business climate. An example of this is the years some lawmakers have spent trying to deregulate business, she said.

Sen. Mark Schoesler, R-Ritzville, and Sen. Jerome Delvin, R-Richland, also supported the bill.

The bill is a memorial, meaning it goes before the state Senate before it moves to Congress.

"I wouldn't expect it to go through, but it's great to hear it's having a hearing," Delvin said. "It's a good chance to voice our concerns about the Cascade curtain. The rules they want on the west side don't necessarily apply to us on the east side."

Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, also sponsored the bill but for much different reasons. Kline said the west side has subsidized the east side with property, sales, gas and business and operations taxes.

"The complaining about taxes comes more from Eastern Washington than Western Washington yet we're the ones in Western Washington who pay them," Kline said.

The city of Othello receives $208,000 annually from the state in criminal justice, liquor tax and gas tax money, said City Administrator Ehman Sheldon.

Although Sheldon said he was not promoting the measure, he said the city could support itself without state money.

"We would have to make adjustments, like with I-695," Sheldon said. The initiative eliminated the state motor vehicle excise tax.

Grant County Commissioner LeRoy Allison said he wasn't sure if his county could sustain itself without state money.

Allison said he was concerned about losing federal mental health dollars that come through the state and state matching dollars for mental health. And he said that Grant County is a recipient and not a generator of the state gas tax.

"It would be interesting to see how a new state would offset that," Allison said of the gas tax.

The move to separate does have historical roots but is not likely, said Olympia author Don Brazier, a former Republican state representative who now is an independent.

Brazier, the author of The History of the Washington State Legislature from 1854-1963, used to represent Yakima and Western Yakima County in the 14th district and said he is "very partial to Eastern Washington."

The state split has been tried since statehood, with Walla Walla trying to separate from the rest of the state during the 1850s.

At the time, Walla Walla was a major population center in the state, Brazier said.

A public hearing is set for 10 a.m. Tuesday before the Senate Government Operations and Elections Committee in Olympia. Mulliken said constituents may submit their comments by mail or e-mail to their legislators or attend the hearing
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Damn^^^I haven't heard that one yet. That shit would be crazy! Washington trips me out the way they got one city gov. for like Everett, then one for Bothell, then one for Lynwood.....there all the same town to me! As a matter of fact, if you take 99 from Seattle to Everett...it's all ONE CITY! Crazy how they break it up so much yada! I guess it's just too hard to govern all that area with a minimal amount of seperate city governments huh?
 

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That've been trying to do that for YEARS! At least 5 years I believe. I heard about that when I came out to school in Eastern Washington. I'm glad I'm graduating though after this quarter, I ain't payin no fuckin out of state tuition cause these assholes over here dont' make enough money by themselves.

The only social difference is...liberal versus REDNECK republican-don't know-shit-dumb fucks....(for the most part, not everyone is like that obviously).

And Ephrata is a TINY ass little place. Most cities in E. Wash are small as fuck. I mean, the Tri-Cities and Spokane are probably the biggest, and then MAYBE Yakima and Moses Lake, but I think Moses Lake only has like 40K people. Whereas the west side of the mountains has Seattle, Everett, Tacoma, Olympia, and every little town/city in between those that are suburbs that ARE packed with people. In E. Washington there's a city, and then there's NOTHING for the next like 40 miles. You would almost never find that on the westside driving between "big" cities like Seattle and Everett.

If E. Wash did that, their economy would collapse. The only thing they got going over here is hay and apples. And they sell the hay to Japanese race horses most of the time. The East side couldn't support itself well enough, they'd end up crying to the feds about lack of funding.

I heard one of the name ideas was Columbia or some shit, cause of the river, but I can't remember if that's correct or not, but I know it started with a C.
 
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Wow! It'll probly never happen though. I been all over E. WA and it was cool to visit...we went swimming and shit in some beautiful spots but I wouldn't want to live over there. It's pretty and all (like the gorge ...wow!) but like you said...theres nothing over there. Plus it gets way to hot for me man. Last summer I went to pick up my sister in law at some ski resort and drove through cherry country through that wierd little town that looks all Sweedish or somthing. It was sooooo hot out there last summer! Soap lake was cool and Moses was lame! I don't even realy like Spokane much!
 

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Wow! It'll probly never happen though. I been all over E. WA and it was cool to visit...we went swimming and shit in some beautiful spots but I wouldn't want to live over there. It's pretty and all (like the gorge ...wow!) but like you said...theres nothing over there. Plus it gets way to hot for me man. Last summer I went to pick up my sister in law at some ski resort and drove through cherry country through that wierd little town that looks all Sweedish or somthing. It was sooooo hot out there last summer! Soap lake was cool and Moses was lame! I don't even realy like Spokane much!
You don't have to tell me about the heat man. My apartment doesn't have AC and it was over 100 degrees EVERY DAY for over 2 weeks last summer...then it was in the 90's, then back over 100 for awhile.

The summers are WAY too fucking hot, and the winters are WAY too fucking cold. It'll be 109 degrees in the summer, and -9 (without wind chill) in the winter.

I dunno which town you're talkin about though in regard to the swedish lookin one...the only place I can think of that's like that is Leavenworth, but I think they're more German or some shit, I can't remember...

The ONLY good thing to do in E. Washington during the summer where I'm at, is floating down the Yakima River with an innertube and some beer and a blunt. The water is all snow run off, so it's cold but when it's 105 degrees out that cold water feels great.
 
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Yeah man ...Leavenworth...crazy ass lil town man...so hot you cant breath with the humidity at 100%! I feel you on the outdoor recreation out there though fam. Theres some of the sickest camp spots and river party spots I ever saw in my life! Hella fun cliff dive spots and nice cold water on a scorching ass day feels bomb. I remember pulling over last summer and bailing off this big ass rock and then getting back in the car to drive some more. We must have stopped like every hour or 2 to go swimming at some random pristine lil water hole or river! That was tight shit!
 

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There's quite a few good "jumping rocks" around where I'm at. Some of them are pretty high though, around 50 feet. One of my friends was down there with some other friends of ours (I wasn't there) and they were all drinking...my boy jumped off, and hit the water so hard he was knocked out...luckily one of our other friends jumped in right after him and saw him under water and got his ass out.

But yeah, the weather is nuts. Summer is scorching, winter is below freezing 90% of the time, and spring brings in the strongest fuckin winds I've ever experienced (30-70MPH). Walking home from class when there are 45 MPH wind gusts is a bitch! lol...

Leavenworth is a nice little spot though. One of my friends that I go to school with is from there. It's a small little place, but I heard there's a lot of people out there that grow really good chronic, lol...I haven't been there in like 10 years though, and the only time I'd go there was when I was going somewhere else and just stopping to get somethin to eat.
 
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I know they got some fine ass girls out there. I was at that gas station in Leavenworth and didn't want to leave cause all the lil hotties walkin aroud that lil town...it was crazy!
I moved from rainy ass Everett WA to the Oregon coast. I can throw a rock in the ocean from my front yard. It's just a cliff across the street that drops to the water and it gets WAY fuckin windy right here man. Like 85 mph gusts once a month! It's ALWAYS windy at my place. It never gets warm realy and it rains all the time. Even if it's sunny in town, it's still cloudy at my house. It's fuckin depressing man. It's hella sunny now though. I'm bout to go hook up my new subs in the suv since my stereo got jacked last week!
Fuckin tweekers!
 

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I moved from Seattle to Eastern Washington...the first winter out here was deadly. It was -13 for about a week and a half. After that I got use to it. I was use to the rain, and there's not much out here really, more snow than anything.

I think Leavenworth has that whole German theme though, I think I said that above, but it could be another place close to there. I do remember the buildings not looking like most that I remember in other cities/towns though.

And I don't remember any females, I was probably 8 or 9 the last time I went there! lol...I cared about friends, fam, toys, and candy at that age...

That's too bad about your stereo too, there's tweakers ALL OVER! That shit is like a disease...