The Official Golden State Warriors Thread
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Man are you for real going to try and act like I don't know Payton was traded mid season for Ray Allen, as a Sonics fan who followed every single season? Where was Payton at when he signed with the Lakers? The Bucks, hence "comimg from Milwaukee". It was one of his lowest statistical seasons that's a fact. He was not prime when the Lakers signed him, also a fact. You're arguing for no reason; everyone knows Payton was past prime when he signed a one year deal with the Lakers you're not fooling anyone here.
You're not fooling anybody stating what the Warriors did is any different than what the Lakers or especially the Heat did.
and no his season before the Lakers wasn't one of the lowest statistical seasons. His 1/3rd of a season with the Bucks dropped -slightly-, the 2/3rd's of a season in Seattle before hand was exactly like the mid 90's lol
and no his season before the Lakers wasn't one of the lowest statistical seasons. His 1/3rd of a season with the Bucks dropped -slightly-, the 2/3rd's of a season in Seattle before hand was exactly like the mid 90's lol
Here, this is a thread from 2004 where people talking should old ass Payton and Malone "buying" themselves a ring be considered OK:
http://siccness.net/vb/f29/so-now-malone-payton-bought-their-rings-89545.html
You can see my quote saying "Payton maybe has one maybe two years left in his career" obviously I wouldn't say that about someone in their prime. I go on to list all Payton's records and achievements, all of his all star teams all of which were before 2001. Past prime, as everyone will tell you.
So let's compare - Payton at age 34 traded to the Bucs, at the twilight of his career signs a one year deal with the Lakers for a big pay cut, to 27 year old Durant, in his prime with the opposite to stay and make big money in OKC and going to the Warriors. Different situations entirely.
http://siccness.net/vb/f29/so-now-malone-payton-bought-their-rings-89545.html
You can see my quote saying "Payton maybe has one maybe two years left in his career" obviously I wouldn't say that about someone in their prime. I go on to list all Payton's records and achievements, all of his all star teams all of which were before 2001. Past prime, as everyone will tell you.
So let's compare - Payton at age 34 traded to the Bucs, at the twilight of his career signs a one year deal with the Lakers for a big pay cut, to 27 year old Durant, in his prime with the opposite to stay and make big money in OKC and going to the Warriors. Different situations entirely.
payton and malone were definitely not in their primes when they joined the lakers. payton's strength was being a total defensive stopper which won't be reflected in ppg or assists. payton and malone w a last ditch effort desperation move to retire w a ring. almost worked but not quite.
the glove is one of my all time fave players and one of the very few non-warrior jerseys I own
the glove is one of my all time fave players and one of the very few non-warrior jerseys I own
You're talking about Prime like it's some magical number that everybody shares. An athletes prime is when they're contributing at their absolute best and putting forth their best statistics in their said sport. If Gary Payton was still putting forth the same statistics and still contributing the same on the court in 2003 as he was in 1996 he was still in his Prime. He did just that. Was he at the end of his prime? Sure, was he still prime? Absolutely.
First thing wrong with this statement is you're comparing personal situations between two players and not the situations of the teams which is what the conversation is about.
The situation of the 2003 Lakers is they went from winning 3 rings in a row to getting bounced from the playoffs and not making it to the finals. The situation of the 2016 Warriors is they went from winning a ring to losing the next year. The Lakers signed players they felt would help them return to the NBA finals. The Warriors signed a player they felt would help them return to the NBA finals. The Lakers didn't sign Payton and Malone as some act of charity to get them rings lol they signed them because they were still elite players. Payton started all 82 games he played for the Lakers, the Lakers signed them to win rings. You think if they won Payton wouldn't have re-signed with the Lakers? Hell even Malone might have been lured out of retirement to stay.
Do you think this 4 man core of Steph/Klay/Draymond/Durant is some permanent dynasty that's going to be 10 years of domination? I think they have a solid 3 year window like that Lakers team would have had also if they won.
3 years from now I don't see more than 2 of the big 4 the Warriors now have playing together. They have a solid 3 year window and people are going to bounce, granted they can easily maintain greatness with 2 of the 4, but this current squad is definitely temporary to win some rings in this window, which is exactly what the Lakers were doing. Granted the Warriors situation is obviously better which all 4 being young (even though Steph's ankles will probably have him slowing down a lot sooner than he should), but overall the Lakers did exactly what the Warriors did, they brought on elite players for a run after losing.
First thing wrong with this statement is you're comparing personal situations between two players and not the situations of the teams which is what the conversation is about.
The situation of the 2003 Lakers is they went from winning 3 rings in a row to getting bounced from the playoffs and not making it to the finals. The situation of the 2016 Warriors is they went from winning a ring to losing the next year. The Lakers signed players they felt would help them return to the NBA finals. The Warriors signed a player they felt would help them return to the NBA finals. The Lakers didn't sign Payton and Malone as some act of charity to get them rings lol they signed them because they were still elite players. Payton started all 82 games he played for the Lakers, the Lakers signed them to win rings. You think if they won Payton wouldn't have re-signed with the Lakers? Hell even Malone might have been lured out of retirement to stay.
Do you think this 4 man core of Steph/Klay/Draymond/Durant is some permanent dynasty that's going to be 10 years of domination? I think they have a solid 3 year window like that Lakers team would have had also if they won.
3 years from now I don't see more than 2 of the big 4 the Warriors now have playing together. They have a solid 3 year window and people are going to bounce, granted they can easily maintain greatness with 2 of the 4, but this current squad is definitely temporary to win some rings in this window, which is exactly what the Lakers were doing. Granted the Warriors situation is obviously better which all 4 being young (even though Steph's ankles will probably have him slowing down a lot sooner than he should), but overall the Lakers did exactly what the Warriors did, they brought on elite players for a run after losing.
No I'm not actually, I'm simply stating a fact that Payton was no longer in his prime, that's literally it. I really have no idea why you're arguing this point so much it should be an easy thing to admit, that at age 34-35 Payton wasn't prime anymore it's really simple. You can make other points about why it's the same situation if you want, I don't really care tbh just annoyed that anyone can say Payton was in his prime when he went to the Lakers. If you honestly believe he was, than alright cool, that's an opinion not shared by many but whatever we've spent enough time on the subject which doesn't really matter anyway.
Physical prime is absolutely different than a prime in different sports. Skill plays a major factor in sports prime.
Many fighters in MMA and boxing have had their best years after age 30.
Many QB's in the NFL have their best years after age 30.
Many hitters in baseball have their best years after age 30.
Why do you keep bringing up physical prime? lol
Many fighters in MMA and boxing have had their best years after age 30.
Many QB's in the NFL have their best years after age 30.
Many hitters in baseball have their best years after age 30.
Why do you keep bringing up physical prime? lol
By your theory Anderson Silva was in his prime when he was getting tapped out in Japan and fired from Pride relegated to fighting in a small promotion called Cage Rage in England
At 32 when he started his UFC run and was unstoppable until age 39 and was considered the MMA GOAT he was "out of his prime" because internet articles say you have to be 26-30 lol
At 32 when he started his UFC run and was unstoppable until age 39 and was considered the MMA GOAT he was "out of his prime" because internet articles say you have to be 26-30 lol
lmao mark cuban might be potentially fucking thw trade up and leaving kd in limbo.
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he can either fuck over durant going to gsw or cost him 12 million to fit their cap.
either way all this shit alongside bench players getting max contracts is inevitably gonna lead to a lockout
fuck gsw
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he can either fuck over durant going to gsw or cost him 12 million to fit their cap.
either way all this shit alongside bench players getting max contracts is inevitably gonna lead to a lockout
fuck gsw
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