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Because the 95-96 Sonics team was a complete team and the best of his career in Seattle. It's not just about points scored; it's a team game. His "best stats" in Seattle by what you're going by is when the team wasn't as good and they lost key figures like Shawn Kemp so Payton had to carry the team. In 95-96, they were a savage ass team that would have won a ring if not for Jordan. Just watch him play, you can literally see him slowing down as he hit his mid 30s, as most all humans do.
He carried the Lakers on his back?
What I said was that Payton was past prime on the Lakers and that he was obviously in his prime when he was younger on the Sonics. The last four years you're talking about in Seattle the Sonics weren't nearly as good as a team. It's pretty simple mathematics - you subtract good players without replacing them with equally as good players and Payton has to score more points. You see that all the time in the NBA. Those aren't the only stats when were talking about a team game either. For example, 94, 95, 96 his FG % was higher, his steals were higher, etc. Again , that was the best Sonics team so there were more pieces to the puzzle, it was a GREAT team, not just Payton and whack has Vin Baker that came later.
What? Payton was 35 years old when he played on the Lakers. Not sure what you mean.
35 year old Payton = no longer in his prime. This is simple man, not sure why ur arguing about this.
What I said was that Payton was past prime on the Lakers and that he was obviously in his prime when he was younger on the Sonics. The last four years you're talking about in Seattle the Sonics weren't nearly as good as a team. It's pretty simple mathematics - you subtract good players without replacing them with equally as good players and Payton has to score more points. You see that all the time in the NBA. Those aren't the only stats when were talking about a team game either. For example, 94, 95, 96 his FG % was higher, his steals were higher, etc. Again , that was the best Sonics team so there were more pieces to the puzzle, it was a GREAT team, not just Payton and whack has Vin Baker that came later.
What? Payton was 35 years old when he played on the Lakers. Not sure what you mean.
35 year old Payton = no longer in his prime. This is simple man, not sure why ur arguing about this.
Bro, just look at the rosters and you'll have your answer:
Gary Payton
Hersey Hawkins
Shawn Kemp
Detlef Schrempf
Nate McMillan
Sam Perkins
vs
Gary Payton
Vin Baker
Emanual Davis
Brent Berry
Rashard Lewis
400 year old Patrick Ewing lol
The teams were night and day. Payton had to do more with less. That happens all the time in the NBA. If you have a dynamic duo for example, and one guy leaves, the other guy has to pick up the slack and usually their stats in certain areas will increase. Doesn't mean the team is better or that individual is playing better basketball.
Gary Payton
Hersey Hawkins
Shawn Kemp
Detlef Schrempf
Nate McMillan
Sam Perkins
vs
Gary Payton
Vin Baker
Emanual Davis
Brent Berry
Rashard Lewis
400 year old Patrick Ewing lol
The teams were night and day. Payton had to do more with less. That happens all the time in the NBA. If you have a dynamic duo for example, and one guy leaves, the other guy has to pick up the slack and usually their stats in certain areas will increase. Doesn't mean the team is better or that individual is playing better basketball.
The last 4 years I'm talking about was in a discussion with
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@Fucky McFuckerson
saying "your physical prime is before age 30 no matter what". Yet he somehow managed to play the best basketball of his career after age 30. His assists per game and rebounds per game also went up after age 30, which shows his team game was still there even as the first option on the team.
When this discussion started I stated a championship caliber team that won 3 rings signed Payton while he was in his prime, which is fact. Numbers don't lie. Because you stated the Warriors were a championship team already when signing KD so the Lakers situation wasn't the same. I never once said in this thread that while playing for the Lakers he was playing like he did in his prime. But when the Lakers signed him he damn sure still was. Numbers don't lie. Payton also had Kobe and Shaq so he didn't exactly have to play like that either.
2003 Lakers didn't go to the finals after 3 in a row. 2004 they sign Payton and Malone and were back in the finals. You said the Warriors and Lakers situations ain't the same, they're exactly the same.
When this discussion started I stated a championship caliber team that won 3 rings signed Payton while he was in his prime, which is fact. Numbers don't lie. Because you stated the Warriors were a championship team already when signing KD so the Lakers situation wasn't the same. I never once said in this thread that while playing for the Lakers he was playing like he did in his prime. But when the Lakers signed him he damn sure still was. Numbers don't lie. Payton also had Kobe and Shaq so he didn't exactly have to play like that either.
2003 Lakers didn't go to the finals after 3 in a row. 2004 they sign Payton and Malone and were back in the finals. You said the Warriors and Lakers situations ain't the same, they're exactly the same.
They aren't the same since Durant is a 27 year old in his prime superstar, whereas Gary Payton was a 35 year old past prime sign a one year deal to win a ring situation. Bro, there is no possible way you are going to convince any fans who watched Payton's entire career that he was still at his absolute prime at age 35. Like I said he was still a good player, but no longer prime. Posting stats from totally different teams and circumstances doesn't prove anything, only that he had to pick up in areas just to keep his worse teams somewhat relevant, barely above .500 or below.
So you're saying he was a better ball player on sub .500 teams than he was versus at his peak on playoff teams in the 90s? My god man! I also said "some areas" not all areas. Since you love stats, all you have to do is look at his stats at age 35 compared to when he was in Seattle. Almost every stat was below his career average, the only one exception was 3pt % being higher since he was open so often on the Lakers since he was an old man and teams were obviously more focused on Kobe, Shaq and the likes, plus that style of offense from Phil always leaves guys open for the three going back to Chicago.
Why bring up his stats with the Lakers though? Once again for like the 3rd time, I never said his Lakers stats were the same. But when he SIGNED with the Lakers his stats were, which is what I've stated multiple times. Which is what this discussion is about right? Championship teams signing more great players. Which is exactly what just happened with the Warriors, literally the same situation.
The Lakers added a first ballot point guard that was averaging 20 PPG and 9 assists per game and a first ballot power forward who was averaging 21 PPG and 9 rebounds per game when they signed. But "herp derp, age means it's different" lol
The Lakers added a first ballot point guard that was averaging 20 PPG and 9 assists per game and a first ballot power forward who was averaging 21 PPG and 9 rebounds per game when they signed. But "herp derp, age means it's different" lol
Why would anyone be salty at potentially one of the best assembled starting lineups in the history of the game? Anyone who loves sports can appreciate that and should be excited to watch that if they love the game.
Everybody knew where he was going it was no secret...... good for him but may be bad for yall, we'll see
Everybody knew where he was going it was no secret...... good for him but may be bad for yall, we'll see
Coming from Milwaukee? His numbers were down man. He averaged about 20 points a game his year before he signed with the Lakers and his stats had been declining from the late 90s. He obviously wasn't in his prime anymore when the Lakers singed him. It was obvious at the time, that's how the media portrayed it back then as well, this is the first time I've ever heard in my life Lakers signed a prime Gary Payton.