Would U vote 4 Bush if he were 2 run for re-election?
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I bet he doesnt have as much pull as G Dubya an his daddy 'nim! Wasnt Sr. the second in command of the CIA before he became vice pres? That means that he was protected by the CIA before he even held any government position! That oil company that he was the ceo of that went bottom up was front that the CIA used to bring drugs into this country to continue the plan to trick, fool, and to erradicate the balck race from this country! DO you really think John Kerry will step up and get his rep ruined by being president of the United Satan of AmeriKKKa?? Or let another person shine so he can continue to do his thang and bubble on the under???
C'mon, you may have voted republican, and were happy to see lil jr elected but didn't you see the sham that went down in the 2000 election???
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C'mon, you may have voted republican, and were happy to see lil jr elected but didn't you see the sham that went down in the 2000 election???
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yes the bush family has a few hundred million but Senator John Kerry (democrat) is the #1 richest person in goverment
you been reading to many conspiricies. that conspiricy you are talking about (from the San Jose Mercury News) has been disproven in the LA Times, NY Times and other major publications
what rep? he totally out of toucj with reality. Kerry stands for
1. Pro-Abortion---> which means he believe in killing innocent unborn babies
2. Taxes-----> he has voted to raise taxes every year
3. SUV's----> he is trying to ban SUV's
now that my friend is not a good reputation
yes i do
no, actually what i saw was a very close race that the media misrepresented and kept flopping on, i also saw a little bitch (al gore) who couldnt just concede when told that he lost, then he took it to court and it went up to the Supreme Court (a liberal court) and they too told him that he was wrong and that Bush was the winner and still he was whining, and the only reason he conceded is because he knew he couldnt win and he wanted to come back and try again in 2004 but now his own friends want him to step aside so that they (john kerry, hillary clinton, and john edwards) can run for president
you been reading to many conspiricies. that conspiricy you are talking about (from the San Jose Mercury News) has been disproven in the LA Times, NY Times and other major publications
what rep? he totally out of toucj with reality. Kerry stands for
1. Pro-Abortion---> which means he believe in killing innocent unborn babies
2. Taxes-----> he has voted to raise taxes every year
3. SUV's----> he is trying to ban SUV's
now that my friend is not a good reputation
yes i do
no, actually what i saw was a very close race that the media misrepresented and kept flopping on, i also saw a little bitch (al gore) who couldnt just concede when told that he lost, then he took it to court and it went up to the Supreme Court (a liberal court) and they too told him that he was wrong and that Bush was the winner and still he was whining, and the only reason he conceded is because he knew he couldnt win and he wanted to come back and try again in 2004 but now his own friends want him to step aside so that they (john kerry, hillary clinton, and john edwards) can run for president
ya and them compare them to when clinton was in office and tell me clintons arent higher. look i remember back in the day when bush was in office keys of coke went for 25g's, zips were going for close to a G a piece, now the keys are going for between 12 G's and 17 G's depending on who you know. and zips are going for about $500.
why the price drop???? because more is coming in now than before.
oh ya and another thing. if you are referring to that freeway rick article which accuses US gov of selling coke to pay for the arms. let me tell you they talk about selling a total of1/2 a ton. LOL. thats 1000lbs or close to 450 kilos!!!! which let me tell you my friend isnt something that you can fund a war with. that come out to about 20 keys a week for a year. i got friends that can push those 450 kilos in a little over 2 months.
why the price drop???? because more is coming in now than before.
oh ya and another thing. if you are referring to that freeway rick article which accuses US gov of selling coke to pay for the arms. let me tell you they talk about selling a total of1/2 a ton. LOL. thats 1000lbs or close to 450 kilos!!!! which let me tell you my friend isnt something that you can fund a war with. that come out to about 20 keys a week for a year. i got friends that can push those 450 kilos in a little over 2 months.
Ok read this first then tell me it is a proven fact
http://query.nytimes.com/search/article-page.html?res=9E0CE4DD1E39F930A25756C0A961958260
Expose on Crack Was Flawed, Paper Says
By TODD S. PURDUM
In a highly unusual critique published in his own newspaper, the editor of The San Jose Mercury News acknowledged on Sunday that a series of articles last year on the rise of crack cocaine in urban America was marred by shortcomings, including its strong implication that the Central Intelligence Agency had countenanced the drug's spread in league with Nicaraguan dealers.
The publication of the series, ''Dark Alliance,'' provoked a furor among black elected and community officials and prompted multiple Federal investigations. Its central assertion was that a pair of Nicaraguan drug traffickers with C.I.A. ties had started the nationwide crack trade by selling drugs in black neighborhoods in the 1980's. Their goal, the series said, was to help finance the C.I.A.-backed rebels, or contras, then fighting the Sandinista Government in their homeland.
That notion -- amplified by the paper's Web site and distorted by talk radio and street-corner gossip -- prompted widespread outrage, even as reporting by other news organizations cast severe doubt on many of the articles' salient points. Government officials from Washington to Los Angeles denied any knowledge or complicity in such a plot, while pledging thorough investigations into the questions raised by The Mercury News.
But after an exhaustive internal review, the executive editor, Jerry Ceppos, said in the careful, understated language of a signed editorial column in the paper's ''Perspective'' section on Sunday that the most sensational implications of the series by his investigative reporter, Gary Webb, were not supported by the facts as he now understood them.
''Although members of the drug ring met with contra leaders paid by the C.I.A. and Webb believes the relationship with the C.I.A. was a tight one,'' Mr. Ceppos wrote, ''I feel that we did not have proof that top C.I.A. officials knew of the relationship. I believe that part of our contract with our readers is to be as clear about what we don't know as what we do know.'' $(Excerpts, Page A16.$)
A spokesman for the C.I.A., Mark Mansfield, said today that the agency's inspector general was continuing his investigation into what John M. Deutch, the Director of Central Intelligence at the time of publication last year, called ''an appalling charge.''
''It is gratifying,'' Mr. Mansfield said, ''to see that a large segment of the media, including The San Jose Mercury News itself, has taken a serious and objective look at how this story was constructed and reported.''
Reporting by The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times produced no clear evidence of any direct link between the drug dealers and the C.I.A. Neither did they find any proof of a connection between the support the dealers said they had given the Nicaraguan rebels and the money generated during the long relationship that one of them, Oscar Danilo Blandon, maintained with a Los Angeles drug kingpin named Ricky Donnell Ross, who is now facing life imprisonment on a narcotics conviction.
Mr. Ceppos wrote that the series had erroneously implied that the Blandon-Ross ring ''was the pivotal force in the crack epidemic in the United States,'' when in fact the roots of the drug's spread were much more diffuse and complex. He said the series had failed to include testimony from Mr. Blandon that in 1982 he stopped sending cocaine profits to the rebels, and had failed to acknowledge that its assertion that the ring funneled millions of dollars to the rebels was merely an estimate.
According to his own court testimony and law-enforcement agents familiar with his debriefings as a paid informer for the Drug Enforcement Administration, Mr. Blandon has said that as a used-car salesman and member of a tiny rebel support group in Los Angeles he helped raise a few thousand dollars for the insurgents and later sent them a pickup truck and supplies.
Mr. Blandon said he had also been told by his partner in trafficking, Juan Norwin Meneses Canterero, that the rebels were sent profits from the first kilograms of cocaine that he gave Mr. Blandon to sell as a neophyte dealer in 1982.
In his column, Mr. Ceppos wrote that Mr. Webb had disagreed with many of his conclusions, and in a telephone interview today from his home in Sacramento, Mr. Webb confirmed that. He elaborated on his objections by saying that since February the paper ''has been sitting on a series of follow-up stories'' that buttress his initial assertions, both about the C.I.A's involvement and the financial scale of the drug traffickers' contributions to the rebels.
Asked why those articles had not been published, Mr. Webb, who promoted the original series extensively, replied: ''That's a darn good question. I don't know, I haven't been able to get a straight answer.''
Mr. Webb said he was particularly concerned that Mr. Ceppos's column would ''just make it harder'' for the pending official investigations into the series' charges to ''get at the truth,'' and suggested that he was on the verge of asking The Mercury News for permission to publish his new material elsewhere.
But in an interview in his glass-walled office in the newsroom here this afternoon, Mr. Ceppos said that Mr. Webb had so far submitted only notes and ideas for future articles, and that ''we certainly are going to go over those and not disregard them.'' Several times, Mr. Ceppos declined to characterize his findings in any language other than that of his Sunday column, but he said the controversy ''has taught us about how many grays there are in life.''
In the months after publication of the series, Mr. Ceppos defended its core conclusions
http://query.nytimes.com/search/article-page.html?res=9E0CE4DD1E39F930A25756C0A961958260
Expose on Crack Was Flawed, Paper Says
By TODD S. PURDUM
In a highly unusual critique published in his own newspaper, the editor of The San Jose Mercury News acknowledged on Sunday that a series of articles last year on the rise of crack cocaine in urban America was marred by shortcomings, including its strong implication that the Central Intelligence Agency had countenanced the drug's spread in league with Nicaraguan dealers.
The publication of the series, ''Dark Alliance,'' provoked a furor among black elected and community officials and prompted multiple Federal investigations. Its central assertion was that a pair of Nicaraguan drug traffickers with C.I.A. ties had started the nationwide crack trade by selling drugs in black neighborhoods in the 1980's. Their goal, the series said, was to help finance the C.I.A.-backed rebels, or contras, then fighting the Sandinista Government in their homeland.
That notion -- amplified by the paper's Web site and distorted by talk radio and street-corner gossip -- prompted widespread outrage, even as reporting by other news organizations cast severe doubt on many of the articles' salient points. Government officials from Washington to Los Angeles denied any knowledge or complicity in such a plot, while pledging thorough investigations into the questions raised by The Mercury News.
But after an exhaustive internal review, the executive editor, Jerry Ceppos, said in the careful, understated language of a signed editorial column in the paper's ''Perspective'' section on Sunday that the most sensational implications of the series by his investigative reporter, Gary Webb, were not supported by the facts as he now understood them.
''Although members of the drug ring met with contra leaders paid by the C.I.A. and Webb believes the relationship with the C.I.A. was a tight one,'' Mr. Ceppos wrote, ''I feel that we did not have proof that top C.I.A. officials knew of the relationship. I believe that part of our contract with our readers is to be as clear about what we don't know as what we do know.'' $(Excerpts, Page A16.$)
A spokesman for the C.I.A., Mark Mansfield, said today that the agency's inspector general was continuing his investigation into what John M. Deutch, the Director of Central Intelligence at the time of publication last year, called ''an appalling charge.''
''It is gratifying,'' Mr. Mansfield said, ''to see that a large segment of the media, including The San Jose Mercury News itself, has taken a serious and objective look at how this story was constructed and reported.''
Reporting by The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times produced no clear evidence of any direct link between the drug dealers and the C.I.A. Neither did they find any proof of a connection between the support the dealers said they had given the Nicaraguan rebels and the money generated during the long relationship that one of them, Oscar Danilo Blandon, maintained with a Los Angeles drug kingpin named Ricky Donnell Ross, who is now facing life imprisonment on a narcotics conviction.
Mr. Ceppos wrote that the series had erroneously implied that the Blandon-Ross ring ''was the pivotal force in the crack epidemic in the United States,'' when in fact the roots of the drug's spread were much more diffuse and complex. He said the series had failed to include testimony from Mr. Blandon that in 1982 he stopped sending cocaine profits to the rebels, and had failed to acknowledge that its assertion that the ring funneled millions of dollars to the rebels was merely an estimate.
According to his own court testimony and law-enforcement agents familiar with his debriefings as a paid informer for the Drug Enforcement Administration, Mr. Blandon has said that as a used-car salesman and member of a tiny rebel support group in Los Angeles he helped raise a few thousand dollars for the insurgents and later sent them a pickup truck and supplies.
Mr. Blandon said he had also been told by his partner in trafficking, Juan Norwin Meneses Canterero, that the rebels were sent profits from the first kilograms of cocaine that he gave Mr. Blandon to sell as a neophyte dealer in 1982.
In his column, Mr. Ceppos wrote that Mr. Webb had disagreed with many of his conclusions, and in a telephone interview today from his home in Sacramento, Mr. Webb confirmed that. He elaborated on his objections by saying that since February the paper ''has been sitting on a series of follow-up stories'' that buttress his initial assertions, both about the C.I.A's involvement and the financial scale of the drug traffickers' contributions to the rebels.
Asked why those articles had not been published, Mr. Webb, who promoted the original series extensively, replied: ''That's a darn good question. I don't know, I haven't been able to get a straight answer.''
Mr. Webb said he was particularly concerned that Mr. Ceppos's column would ''just make it harder'' for the pending official investigations into the series' charges to ''get at the truth,'' and suggested that he was on the verge of asking The Mercury News for permission to publish his new material elsewhere.
But in an interview in his glass-walled office in the newsroom here this afternoon, Mr. Ceppos said that Mr. Webb had so far submitted only notes and ideas for future articles, and that ''we certainly are going to go over those and not disregard them.'' Several times, Mr. Ceppos declined to characterize his findings in any language other than that of his Sunday column, but he said the controversy ''has taught us about how many grays there are in life.''
In the months after publication of the series, Mr. Ceppos defended its core conclusions
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''The key finding finding of the series that people associated with the C.I.A. also sold many tons of cocaine has not been challenged,'' he said then. ''The beauty of the series is that it clearly went that far and didn't go any further than that.''
But Mr. Ceppos ordered the review last fall after public controversy over the series had swirled into a firestorm. It involved three-full-time reporters and several editors, before Mr. Ceppos learned in December that he had prostate cancer and took a leave for surgery in January.
He returned to work this spring; and when the group produced a written report of its findings, Mr. Ceppos decided that he could best explain the facts to readers in a column. He said there were no plans to publish a corrective article or any further details of the group's ''re-reporting.''
''I'm not sure any series has ever been scrutinized as much as this one was,'' Mr. Ceppos, who has led the paper for two years, said of the outcry that greeted the series' publication. ''I thought it was very important to respond to all that.''
Mr. Ceppos explained his decision at a staff meeting attended by more than 100 reporters and editors last Friday afternoon, at which, several participants said, there seemed to be general support for his findings.
But some reporters suggested that they should be published on Page 1, not in the section reserved for editorial commentary. Others demanded to know whether Mr. Webb and editors associated with the series would be disciplined. When someone asked whether Mr. Webb would remain employed by the paper, one participant recalled, Mr. Ceppos said, ''That will be determined.''
But in the interview today, Mr. Ceppos said Mr. Webb was still on the staff, and Mr. Webb said he expected to continue to be.
Representative Maxine Waters, a Los Angeles Democrat who became a vocal critic of the C.I.A. after the series appeared, said today that Mr. Ceppos's column did not alter her belief that the agency had been involved with the crack cocaine trade.
The furor over the original series divided journalists but led some experts on the news media to stand up for Mr. Ceppos and the paper.
''I was forceful in his defense because I thought the journalists who were going after him on this story ought to be out trying to match it and not jumping on him,'' said Bill Kovach, a former senior editor at several major newspapers who is now curator of the Nieman Foundation for Journalism, at Harvard University.
Mr. Kovach added: ''It is hard to imagine a more explosive story. And to put it in the paper and on the Internet as a way to get it out as fast as possible and as broadly as possible, and then find out that it had an editing process that was as permeable as it now appears to have been, is depressing.''
Phil Yost, the paper's chief editorial writer, echoed several other staff members who did not want to be quoted by name in expressing relief that Mr. Ceppos had at last put a period at the end of a troubling paragraph in the paper's history.
''There was a division inside the paper whether the series was well enough reported and presented,'' Mr. Yost said. ''I'm glad we publicly said there were problems with the piece. I think it's important and I think it's something that newspapers don't do very often. It's not an easy thing to do.''
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''The key finding finding of the series that people associated with the C.I.A. also sold many tons of cocaine has not been challenged,'' he said then. ''The beauty of the series is that it clearly went that far and didn't go any further than that.''
But Mr. Ceppos ordered the review last fall after public controversy over the series had swirled into a firestorm. It involved three-full-time reporters and several editors, before Mr. Ceppos learned in December that he had prostate cancer and took a leave for surgery in January.
He returned to work this spring; and when the group produced a written report of its findings, Mr. Ceppos decided that he could best explain the facts to readers in a column. He said there were no plans to publish a corrective article or any further details of the group's ''re-reporting.''
''I'm not sure any series has ever been scrutinized as much as this one was,'' Mr. Ceppos, who has led the paper for two years, said of the outcry that greeted the series' publication. ''I thought it was very important to respond to all that.''
Mr. Ceppos explained his decision at a staff meeting attended by more than 100 reporters and editors last Friday afternoon, at which, several participants said, there seemed to be general support for his findings.
But some reporters suggested that they should be published on Page 1, not in the section reserved for editorial commentary. Others demanded to know whether Mr. Webb and editors associated with the series would be disciplined. When someone asked whether Mr. Webb would remain employed by the paper, one participant recalled, Mr. Ceppos said, ''That will be determined.''
But in the interview today, Mr. Ceppos said Mr. Webb was still on the staff, and Mr. Webb said he expected to continue to be.
Representative Maxine Waters, a Los Angeles Democrat who became a vocal critic of the C.I.A. after the series appeared, said today that Mr. Ceppos's column did not alter her belief that the agency had been involved with the crack cocaine trade.
The furor over the original series divided journalists but led some experts on the news media to stand up for Mr. Ceppos and the paper.
''I was forceful in his defense because I thought the journalists who were going after him on this story ought to be out trying to match it and not jumping on him,'' said Bill Kovach, a former senior editor at several major newspapers who is now curator of the Nieman Foundation for Journalism, at Harvard University.
Mr. Kovach added: ''It is hard to imagine a more explosive story. And to put it in the paper and on the Internet as a way to get it out as fast as possible and as broadly as possible, and then find out that it had an editing process that was as permeable as it now appears to have been, is depressing.''
Phil Yost, the paper's chief editorial writer, echoed several other staff members who did not want to be quoted by name in expressing relief that Mr. Ceppos had at last put a period at the end of a troubling paragraph in the paper's history.
''There was a division inside the paper whether the series was well enough reported and presented,'' Mr. Yost said. ''I'm glad we publicly said there were problems with the piece. I think it's important and I think it's something that newspapers don't do very often. It's not an easy thing to do.''
The CIA is once again trying to cover their dirt up.
Everyone, listen to this radio interview with Michael C. Ruppert, a former LAPD officer who investigated the CIA's drug ties.
He was then fired for pulling the covers off the CIA back in the late 70's, there was even an attempt to take his life.
Click here for the real audio interview:
http://www.rise4news.net/GNB_Ruppert.ram
Peace,
Miggidy
Everyone, listen to this radio interview with Michael C. Ruppert, a former LAPD officer who investigated the CIA's drug ties.
He was then fired for pulling the covers off the CIA back in the late 70's, there was even an attempt to take his life.
Click here for the real audio interview:
http://www.rise4news.net/GNB_Ruppert.ram
Peace,
Miggidy
