WITH ELECTIONS COMING UP WILL BIN LADEN OR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION BE FOUND?
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Why didn't he go out with a bang? This war started out as the hunt for weapons of mass destruction, it didn't turn into the hunt for Saddam until they couldn't find shit. Saddam may very well have believed that they were not after him personally, but the alleged weapons and whatever resistance stands in the way of them. Now why he didn't use them after his army was depleting, his sons were killed, and his generals were talking, I don't know, that would likely favor him not having any weapons to begin with.
Standing before the U.N. faced against the world. Or maybe we'll punk the U.N. like we always do and continue about our way. Either way, it won't last forever, sooner or later action is going to be taken against America, willfully or unlawfully, and Saddam--had my scenerio been correct--would be to thank for it all.
I don't agree with that because if we didn't find anything we could just say hey, no harm no foul, and you know not a damn person would say anything about it either. But if we entered the country killed thousands of troops including Saddam's relatives, then find nothing, thats a pretty big "oops!". Saddam doesn't need to be a sitting duck, he has every right to defend himself upon invasion and not have to answer to the U.N.
Why didn't he use them on us the first time around?
Why didn't he use them in Kuwait?
Why didn't he use them in Iran?
You acknowledge that we gave him weapons, so we know they had them around these times. He was engaged in WAR and he didn't use them, why?
Your right, I don't. I'm not claiming to know what he was thinking, I said I know one thing... still an assumption. It is common sense that everyone knows, and I believe the leader of the country that is subject to this war would know as well.
Man, you could use this post to defend me. Your exactly right. America went against U.N. regulations. But can we thank Saddam for that? What if Saddam, at the beginning of all this WMD hype, said to weapons inspectors, sure come on in, my home is your home, search where ever you'd like. Then, America wouldn't have an excuse for invading. Saddam was standing there with a red flag calling America on to charge. He even made it easier by denying weapons inspectors access to search for these WMD. Why would he do that if he had no such weapons. You want my answer? It wasn't to hide them, it wasn't to destroy them, it was to bluff, and make America call them on it. The end result, America killed thousands, and finds nothing. Of course, Saddam couldn't have guessed that in a hunt for WMD that they would target him and his family for execution.
I could write a book to you on how wrong that statement is but instead I will say just this. You mentioned that you like to travel. Well if you have the chance, hit up Iraq and see if you can find Saddam's greatest hits at any local video store, I heard they are a best seller. I'm sure you can guess what is on them.
Standing before the U.N. faced against the world. Or maybe we'll punk the U.N. like we always do and continue about our way. Either way, it won't last forever, sooner or later action is going to be taken against America, willfully or unlawfully, and Saddam--had my scenerio been correct--would be to thank for it all.
I don't agree with that because if we didn't find anything we could just say hey, no harm no foul, and you know not a damn person would say anything about it either. But if we entered the country killed thousands of troops including Saddam's relatives, then find nothing, thats a pretty big "oops!". Saddam doesn't need to be a sitting duck, he has every right to defend himself upon invasion and not have to answer to the U.N.
Why didn't he use them on us the first time around?
Why didn't he use them in Kuwait?
Why didn't he use them in Iran?
You acknowledge that we gave him weapons, so we know they had them around these times. He was engaged in WAR and he didn't use them, why?
Your right, I don't. I'm not claiming to know what he was thinking, I said I know one thing... still an assumption. It is common sense that everyone knows, and I believe the leader of the country that is subject to this war would know as well.
HERESY said:
America went against U.N. regulations by going to war. EVEN IF SADDAM HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT DOES NOT GIVE AMERICA THE RIGHT TO INVADE. AMERICA WAS TO GO TO WAR FOR 3 REASONS:
1. MANDATE BY THE U.N.
2.IMMINENT THREAT. IMMINENT THREAT HAS BEEN DEFINED AS "CLOSE TO IMPACT" OR ABOUT TO HIT/ON IT'S WAY. IN THAT CASE AMERICA CAN RETURN FIRE (MOST LIKELY A SHIT LOAD OF NUKES WOULD BE LAUNCHED).
3. I'LL LET YOU FIGURE THIS ONE OUT.
1. MANDATE BY THE U.N.
2.IMMINENT THREAT. IMMINENT THREAT HAS BEEN DEFINED AS "CLOSE TO IMPACT" OR ABOUT TO HIT/ON IT'S WAY. IN THAT CASE AMERICA CAN RETURN FIRE (MOST LIKELY A SHIT LOAD OF NUKES WOULD BE LAUNCHED).
3. I'LL LET YOU FIGURE THIS ONE OUT.
I could write a book to you on how wrong that statement is but instead I will say just this. You mentioned that you like to travel. Well if you have the chance, hit up Iraq and see if you can find Saddam's greatest hits at any local video store, I heard they are a best seller. I'm sure you can guess what is on them.
I explore every possibility dealing with this war and you call it stupid? I suppose I should sit back like you and just pick a side because my family raised me to believe everything they say. Hey snubnoze, go (government) status quo! The only thing that I have said from my own opinion is that he denied weapons inspectors access to his country so he could create tension between him and America, everything else is speculation. So in the words of the great DT...
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Check who my comments were originally adressed to, they weren't HERESY. All my posts are open for discussion, don't be afraid. Fuck it man, go to sleep.
This is all news to me, I wasn't aware he was a threat to America. How would he deliver these weapons, fly them over our land? Bahahahaha~!
Ouch? That wasn't even *A* point. Check back up on your claims and make sure the Bush supporters believed or even heard of Saddam being a threat to America.
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Check who my comments were originally adressed to, they weren't HERESY. All my posts are open for discussion, don't be afraid. Fuck it man, go to sleep.
This is all news to me, I wasn't aware he was a threat to America. How would he deliver these weapons, fly them over our land? Bahahahaha~!
Ouch? That wasn't even *A* point. Check back up on your claims and make sure the Bush supporters believed or even heard of Saddam being a threat to America.
if i recall corretly Bush said "we must act BEFORE the threat becomes imminent".
i dont understand why all these anti-bush and/or anti-americans keep bringing up that point.
goog point Nitro!!!!!!!!!!
@nitro
on another note have you heard of the Website based out of Fresno www.freerepublic.com it is a conservative/pro-america website you might find useful
i dont understand why all these anti-bush and/or anti-americans keep bringing up that point.
goog point Nitro!!!!!!!!!!
@nitro
on another note have you heard of the Website based out of Fresno www.freerepublic.com it is a conservative/pro-america website you might find useful
LOL!
No you're gonna deny the fact that when it's President speaks,
America not only listens but believes in everything the fucker says?
The only thing you have going for yourself is the fact that a lot of war supporters gave a rats ass whether Hussein was a threat or not. These war crazed devils wanted to see blood shed no matter what....
No you're gonna deny the fact that when it's President speaks,
America not only listens but believes in everything the fucker says?
The only thing you have going for yourself is the fact that a lot of war supporters gave a rats ass whether Hussein was a threat or not. These war crazed devils wanted to see blood shed no matter what....
IS BIN LADENS TIME RUNNING OUT?
http://www.sundaytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,9353,8752173-28778,00.html
@COCK IN THE BOX YOU HAVE SUNK TO AN ALL TIME LOW. AT FIRST I FOUND THE MAJORITY OF YOUR THREADS/RESPONSES (ALL 8,898,990) QUITE USELESS AND BORING. NOW WHEN I READ THEM I PRAY FOR YOUR SWIFT DEMISE (FORGIVE ME GOD) AND WISH THAT YOU WERE *BANNED* FROM THIS BOARD.
YOU SAID THE FOLLOWING:
"if i recall corretly Bush said "we must act BEFORE the threat becomes imminent". i dont understand why all these anti-bush and/or anti-americans keep bringing up that point."
THE DAY THE US ACTED *BEFORE* THE IMMINENT THREAT IS THE DAY THE US *VIOLATED* CERTAIN RULES STIPULATED BY NATO/UN. IT'S FUNNY HOW AMERICA WANTS SADDAM (IRAQ) TO BEHAVE AND FOLLOW CERTAIN RESOLUTIONS/STIPULATIONS BUT AMERICA WILL VIOLATE AT WILL........
@NITRO I WILL RESPOND TO YOUR POSTS TOMMOROW.
http://www.sundaytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,9353,8752173-28778,00.html
@COCK IN THE BOX YOU HAVE SUNK TO AN ALL TIME LOW. AT FIRST I FOUND THE MAJORITY OF YOUR THREADS/RESPONSES (ALL 8,898,990) QUITE USELESS AND BORING. NOW WHEN I READ THEM I PRAY FOR YOUR SWIFT DEMISE (FORGIVE ME GOD) AND WISH THAT YOU WERE *BANNED* FROM THIS BOARD.
YOU SAID THE FOLLOWING:
"if i recall corretly Bush said "we must act BEFORE the threat becomes imminent". i dont understand why all these anti-bush and/or anti-americans keep bringing up that point."
THE DAY THE US ACTED *BEFORE* THE IMMINENT THREAT IS THE DAY THE US *VIOLATED* CERTAIN RULES STIPULATED BY NATO/UN. IT'S FUNNY HOW AMERICA WANTS SADDAM (IRAQ) TO BEHAVE AND FOLLOW CERTAIN RESOLUTIONS/STIPULATIONS BUT AMERICA WILL VIOLATE AT WILL........
@NITRO I WILL RESPOND TO YOUR POSTS TOMMOROW.
Re: IS BIN LADENS TIME RUNNING OUT?
thats the difference between you and myself. i debate ideas and topics, not the invisible internet personality behind the screename.
i cant see how anybody in their right mind can hate or "PRAY FOR YOUR SWIFT DEMISE" to an invisible person you dont even know.
last time i checked UN Resolution 1441 gave us the authority to invade Iraq.
but let me guess, that means nothing to you huh hershey???
thats the difference between you and myself. i debate ideas and topics, not the invisible internet personality behind the screename.
i cant see how anybody in their right mind can hate or "PRAY FOR YOUR SWIFT DEMISE" to an invisible person you dont even know.
last time i checked UN Resolution 1441 gave us the authority to invade Iraq.
but let me guess, that means nothing to you huh hershey???
Israel has killed civilians, including bulldozing a U.S. citizen.
Here are a few UN resolutions being violated by Israel:
Resolution 252 (1968) Israel
Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures that change the legal status of Jerusalem, including the expropriation of land and properties thereon.
262 (1968) Israel
Calls upon Israel to pay compensation to Lebanon for destruction of airliners at Beirut International Airport.
267 (1969) Israel
Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.
271 (1969) Israel
Reiterates calls to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem and calls on Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers.
298 (1971) Israel
Reiterates demand that Israel rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.
446 (1979) Israel
Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers, to rescind previous measures that violate these relevant provisions, and "in particular, not to transport parts of its civilian population into the occupied Arab territories."
452 (1979) Israel
Calls on the government of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction, and planning of settlements in the Arab territories, occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem.
465 (1980) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions on Israel's settlements policy.
471 (1980) Israel
Demands prosecution of those involved in assassination attempts of West Bank leaders and compensation for damages; reiterates demands to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention.
484 (1980) Israel
Reiterates request that Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
487 (1981) Israel
Calls upon Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.
497 (1981) Israel
Demands that Israel rescind its decision to impose its domestic laws in the occupied Syrian Golan region.
573 (1985) Israel
Calls on Israel to pay compensation for human and material losses from its attack against Tunisia and to refrain from all such attacks or threats of attacks against other nations.
592 (1986) Israel
Insists Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.
605 (1987) Israel
"Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War, and to desist forthwith from its policies and practices that are in violations of the provisions of the Convention."
607 (1986) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.
608 (1988) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.
636 (1989) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.
641 (1989) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions calling on Israel to desist in its deportations.
672 (1990) Israel
Reiterates calls for Israel to abide by provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.
673 (1990) Israel
Insists that Israel come into compliance with resolution 672.
681 (1990) Israel
Reiterates call on Israel to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.
726 (1992) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.
799 (1992) Israel
"Reaffirms applicability of Fourth Geneva Convention…to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention."
904 (1994) Israel
Calls upon Israel, as the occupying power, "to take and implement measures, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by settlers."
1073 (1996) Israel
"Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured."
1322 (2000) Israel
Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.
1402 (2002) Israel
Calls for Israel to withdraw from Palestinian cities.
1403 (2002) Israel
Demands that Israel go through with "the implementation of its resolution 1402, without delay."
1405 (2002) Israel
Calls for UN inspectors to investigate civilian deaths during an Israeli assault on the Jenin refugee camp.
1435 (2002) Israel
Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.
Israel has verified weapons of mass destruction.
Here are a few UN resolutions being violated by Israel:
Resolution 252 (1968) Israel
Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures that change the legal status of Jerusalem, including the expropriation of land and properties thereon.
262 (1968) Israel
Calls upon Israel to pay compensation to Lebanon for destruction of airliners at Beirut International Airport.
267 (1969) Israel
Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.
271 (1969) Israel
Reiterates calls to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem and calls on Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers.
298 (1971) Israel
Reiterates demand that Israel rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.
446 (1979) Israel
Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers, to rescind previous measures that violate these relevant provisions, and "in particular, not to transport parts of its civilian population into the occupied Arab territories."
452 (1979) Israel
Calls on the government of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction, and planning of settlements in the Arab territories, occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem.
465 (1980) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions on Israel's settlements policy.
471 (1980) Israel
Demands prosecution of those involved in assassination attempts of West Bank leaders and compensation for damages; reiterates demands to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention.
484 (1980) Israel
Reiterates request that Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
487 (1981) Israel
Calls upon Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.
497 (1981) Israel
Demands that Israel rescind its decision to impose its domestic laws in the occupied Syrian Golan region.
573 (1985) Israel
Calls on Israel to pay compensation for human and material losses from its attack against Tunisia and to refrain from all such attacks or threats of attacks against other nations.
592 (1986) Israel
Insists Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.
605 (1987) Israel
"Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War, and to desist forthwith from its policies and practices that are in violations of the provisions of the Convention."
607 (1986) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.
608 (1988) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.
636 (1989) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.
641 (1989) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions calling on Israel to desist in its deportations.
672 (1990) Israel
Reiterates calls for Israel to abide by provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.
673 (1990) Israel
Insists that Israel come into compliance with resolution 672.
681 (1990) Israel
Reiterates call on Israel to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.
726 (1992) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.
799 (1992) Israel
"Reaffirms applicability of Fourth Geneva Convention…to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention."
904 (1994) Israel
Calls upon Israel, as the occupying power, "to take and implement measures, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by settlers."
1073 (1996) Israel
"Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured."
1322 (2000) Israel
Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.
1402 (2002) Israel
Calls for Israel to withdraw from Palestinian cities.
1403 (2002) Israel
Demands that Israel go through with "the implementation of its resolution 1402, without delay."
1405 (2002) Israel
Calls for UN inspectors to investigate civilian deaths during an Israeli assault on the Jenin refugee camp.
1435 (2002) Israel
Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.
Israel has verified weapons of mass destruction.
