why do muhafukas take this religion shit so seriously

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@Tongan im glad you feelin me.

i was way realla with the shards analogy though. even heresy wont catch that. if he could he'd stop his lil religious crap quest and take shit like i do. entertainment.

much my nigga.

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but i have a question though, are you a manifestation of your god needs, or is your god a manifestation of what you need, or both. since faith comes from within when does the faith become something outside of you. REAL QUESTION.
God needs nothing. He is self-sufficient. It is we who are needy due to our limited and imperfect nature.

And fuck faith, faith has no value. Knowledge is what it's about.


take for instance this. your senses do not percieve the evidence of my existence, but i have made myself manifest to you.
This makes no sense. My sense of sight has received the light waves which form the picture in my mind of words being directed at me deliberately by a conscious intelligent entity.

Thus my senses DO perceive the evidence of your existence!

You cannot make yourself manifest to me apart from my conscious sense perception of you. You can only make yourself manifest to something which is similarly conscious. Things which are inanimate collections of matter, like a rock or a dead body for example, do not perceive you at all. They are unaware of your manifestation.

therefore i exist. i may be computer A.I. as well. but even A.I. is a thing made manifest. if im A.I. you have the evidence of my existance.
I don't think you actually understand what is "evidence of existence". You must first of all understand that the subject of "existence" is taking place on a metaphysical level (within the mind), and there exists exactly ZERO evidence which "proves" the existence of this metaphysical realm within which the mind resides. This metaphysical, quantum mechanical realm is *ACCEPTED* as existing even though those who accept it as existing will NEVER be able to "prove" it is a tangible thing.

there is no evidence of god made manifest in the abrahamic religions other than what humans have wrote of him.
Well I dont follow any Abrahamic religion so I am not really concerned with that.

therefore his manifestation is constricted to man being his creator
This completely contradicts what you said earlier regarding "A.I.". You said that A.I. is evidence of existence. But what is A.I.? It is "artificial" intelligence, which is CREATED by man!!

Don't you see that God is the Supreme Intelligence, and we have a minute infinitesimal portion of that intelligence, and since that intelligence is in us we attempt to utilize it in so many ways, even in such bizarre ones as "playing God", and "creating" an *artificial* intelligence???

And you have taken the nonsense to the next level, by saying that A.I. (code which is written) is evidence of existence, but Sastra (scripture which is written) is "not" evidence of existence.

Your own position that human written words are not evidence of existence defeats your earlier premise that "A.I. (which is human written words) is evidence of existence".
why do human choose to personify god and dont consider they are a shard of a broken god? like glass set asunder
Your mistake is saying that humans "choose" to personify God. He is what He is, and that is the Supreme Person. We are subordinate persons.

What does "broken God" mean??

God is infinite, so how can something "break off" from that which is infinite? What is infinity minus 1? Infinity. Infinity minus 1 trillion? Infinity.

God is the all-pervading cognition, and within the all-pervasive Lord exist an infinite number of individual souls who eternally maintain their own identity. We are spiritual persons and God is the Absolute Supreme Person.
 
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I kinda feel like this bible and shyt is to make money off of fools.
Ok can you eleborate on this?
I don't recall anyone making a profit out Old Testament scripture.
I don't know of anyone making profit from the Qur'an or the sacred Vedas....

Last time I checked, it is government systems whom are created for profit. Not only money, but power....
 
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Let me drop some reality....that main ones claimin to be love God so much be the main ones doing the most dirt. Then they wanna judge you if you feel differently than they do on the religion tip. Christians think they're perfect as hell or somethin. They always trying to force their beliefs on you if u dont believe what they believe. They'll try to make you feel that if you're not a christian, then youre not living right. Thats why I dont get caught up in religion. I leave that to the folks that can dedicate their time to it.
Ok that was ignorant.
No disrespect but only ignorance brings statements like those.
Christians are the last ones to think they are perfect.
One of the basics of Christianism is that we are not perfect, and that is why our only salvation is through Christ.
Shit, St. Peter was the founding father of Christianity and he's a perfect example that humans are flawd no matter how close they are to God.
Even Moses disobeyed God, and what other man has been greater than he?....

Read up on it bro, you will see that's it's much deeper than you could've ever imagined.
Study about every religion in the face of this Earth, you'll be surprised.....
 
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OOOOOOOOOH SHIT! here we go again.
@Nrsimhadev
an Artifice is something which is created. not necessarily by human hands. human intelligence IS artificial if you believe in god. since his intelligence is the only truth. but from how you put it how can you prove that we are not in the video game of god designed for his entertainment????? that is if there is a god.

how do you know I'm an intelligent entity? just because you see images on a screen does not necessitate a corporal being put them there. in truth QUITE to the contrary. if I AM human and am responsible for these words. they ceased to exists after I uploaded it to a server. afterwards science was in control of them reaching you. there is no garauntee that my original words were sent to you.

how is the mind metaphysical if it is controlled by the constraints of the physical world

you forget we as humans can only measure any existance by sensual quantifiable and qualifiable evidence.

if A.I is; then it exists. right? if anything is; it exists right?
but just because something is; does not qualify it to be corporeal

Nrsimhadev, I respect the vedas, gitas, and upanishads. but if you limit your study only to that perspective you rob yourself of a wealth of information.

in conclusion, if god is infinite and cannot be broken then we are the god we serve. since the infinite can't be seperate from its creation all creation must be a part of it therefore if we are ourselves and a part of god we are shards or small manifestaztions of the greater being which is ourself.

do the logic homeboy
 
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I take it seriously because it's right. There is a God. And I'll die for anything righteous. Nobody forced religion on me, it was in me since birth. All the real "Good Books" out there teach you to do good things.

There are selfish people out there who try to use religion as a controlling type a power trip type shit. But look at this way, if you went to church and the preacher tried to mind fuck you with a story like:

God said to Bob. Bob go out and gather the righteous and tell them that their God commands them to give 10% of there belongings to you for you are a righteous and faithful follower and you will need these things in order to do what I have planned for you.

The preacher then says that he is that Bob and that you are the righteous and faithful follower. If the preacher is telling the truth then everybody is all good. If the preacher is lying then the preacher is the only one that is completely all bad, for the people are still faithful , they have only been mislead. Feel me? Actually, if one of the people gave for a selfish reason then they would be all bad too. But if a person gave unselfishly because he believed in the preacher he's alright. It kinda all comes down to the individual.

For a seeing man to lead a blindman off a cliff is someone that needs to be punished. For a seeing man to lead a blindman to Heaven is to be righteous. For a blindman to lead a blindman off a cliff is to be mistaken and capable of forgiveness. For a blindman to lead a blindman to Heaven is to be chosen.

I believe in God and God is Good.
 
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LOL in this universe nothing is just good. everything that gives takes in this universe. scientifically speaking potential and kenetic. what is good to one is ultimately and absolutely horrible to someone else.

If god is Good. then he is also evil. thesis & antithesis = absolute thesis.
 
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^ What is your definition of evil?

God is right and wrong but He ain't Good and evil.

What is good to one that is good is the same good they both see. What is good to one that is evil is evil.

Love is eternal it's the way of the universe evil on the other hand is not it's limited.

Evil is only an illusion of existence. Good is the truth of existence.

Evil is just an illusion of false power. It's ignorance teaching ignorance with intent to keep people ignorant. It's a form of enslavement and oppression.

Good is truth and the only form of real power. It's knowledge taught to the ignorant who seek it. It's a form of learning and teaching. It's order.

You see the difference?

"If I would of never of known evil how would I of known what is good?"

"If you would of never of known evil you would of always known good."

"That that is born of the flesh is flesh, that that is born of the spirit is spirit"-Jesus
 
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God must be good and evil to be omnipotent. otherwise he is semi-potent. even zarathustra knew good and evil are man made concepts. and therefore opinions generated by perspectives.

your view on good and evil is an illogical perspective.

evil is just as strong as good. no power is greater than another in quality only in quantity.

the difference i see is that your logic is flawed.

all jesus said is that good and evil are taught. and therefore there is no discernment of the two without guidance.

i dont see your point. my mind is not so fragile to believe evil is an illusion of existance. that was just retarded.

maranation
 

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7 AND OUT.

i was way realla with the shards analogy though. even heresy wont catch that. if he could he'd stop his lil religious crap quest and take shit like i do. entertainment.
1.CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU HAVE MENTIONED MY NAME 3 TIMES?

2.CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU COME TO THE ASSESSMENT THAT I'M NOT CAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING YOUR ANALOGY?

3.WHO HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "RELIGIOUS CRAP" ETC ETC ETC? HOW MANY POSTS HAVE I MADE ON RELIGION? VERY LITTLE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I MADE A THREAD DIRECTED AT YOU? NOT ONCE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I ASKED YOUR OPINION OR EVEN CARED ABOUT YOUR RELIGION OR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN? ZERO.

4.I AM **NOT** "RELIGIOUS" PERSON. I COULD CARE LESS IF YOU WORSHIP A STICK, A PRAYING MANTIS, A MICRO CHIP OR THE SUN. THATS YOUR CHOICE. YOUR CHOICE DOES NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON MY LIFE. IT NEVER HAS AND IT NEVER WILL.

5.ENTERTAINMENT IS GREAT. SO IS ESCHATOLOGY.

6.HOW ARE MY ACTIONS DETREMENTAL TO YOUR HEALTH OR BELIEFS? HAVE I ASKED YOU TO BELIEVE IN GOD? NOPE. HAVE I ASKED YOU TO JOIN A CHURCH? NEVER. HAVE I ASKED YOU TO FELLOWSHIP WITH ME? NOT ONCE. HAVE I TRIED TO GET YOU TO THINK LIKE ME OR ACCEPT MY OPINIONS? NO. I SAY TO READ FOR YOURSELF. DONT TAKE MY WORD. DONT TAKE TEH WORD OF A 501 (C)3 PREACHER OR PEW SITTER. RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO THIS FOR YOUR OWN WELL BEING.

7.WHY DO MY VIEWS BOTHER YOU? LETS SAY I WAS ON "RELIGIOUS CRAP". IS IT HURTING YOU? NOPE. HAS IT BEEN DIRECTED AT YOU? NADA.

WHY IS IT THAT YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT IT THE WAY YOU DO? I DONT HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THE WAY YOU DO. I HAVE EXPERIENCED TOO MANY THINGS TO SIMPLY LOOK AT "LIFE" AS ENTERTAINMENT. I HAVE MY OWN MIND. YOU HAVE YOURS. TRY TO KEEP MY NAME OFF YOUR FINGERS.

3 TIMES AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME REPLYING. NO NEED FOR BASHING OR ARGUEMENTS. JUST LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES YOU MADE REFERENCE TO ME. YOU WANT ME TO SEE THIS. FOR WHAT? YOU THINK I WILL GIVE YOU SOME LONG DRAWN OUT ANSWER?

HERE. HERES YOUR LONG DRAWN OUT ANSWER.


ESCHATOLOGY.

GOD BLESS.

THE CAP KING

PS YOU SAY YOU DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE ETC ETC ETC???? WELL WHY MENTION ME AND WHAT I DO? WHY ARE YOU CONCERNED?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


:rolleyes:
 

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XIANEX SAID THIS
but im like this, if you love god/jesus/yhwh/crip/ whatever enjoy it i dont want you to lose your joy, but i want to know and i hope you know the who,what,when,where,how, and why's for having it.im not making light of it im trying to shine more light on it.
NOW COMPARE THAT TO THIS:

i was way realla with the shards analogy though. even heresy wont catch that. if he could he'd stop his lil religious crap quest and take shit like i do. entertainment.
:rolleyes: :confused: :dead:


CAP KING

PS I WONT GO BACK AND FOURTH IN THIS TOPIC. I WILL TYPE WHAT I TYPE AND WILL MOST LIKELY FORGET THIS THREAD. GOD BLESS YOU XIANEX.
 
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"God must be good and evil to be omnipotent. otherwise he is semi-potent. even zarathustra knew good and evil are man made concepts."

If good and evil are man made concepts then God does not have to be good & evil to be omnipotent.

But as a side note, if good and evil weren't man made concepts God still wouldn't have to be both as evil is simply something which is void of righteousness (good).
 
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@ :H:
i find you intelligent and misguided albeit it is my own opinion.
you have been one of the few people i've enjoyed debating with. it is rare that i find a blacc person capable of being intellectually vociferus about his beliefs.

I've never and still don't have anything against you.
You read books. not too many niggas i know do. so the opportunity to discourse perspectives on books appeals to me.

I fucc with you because you are fun to fucc with. it's just so easy.
I'm pretty sure If people like you MC, Blight, and a few others that I can't recall right now were not here i wouldnt stop in ever to read. you guys not unlike myself are the spice of GOM forum.

my concern is I am opinionated. and in that opinion i feel that you would be a better service to the board and quite possibly to yourself if you (like i do) see yourself ABOVE theism, deism, & etcetera.

I think you'd be more of an asset to the blacc community if you put more of your intellect towards more lucrative and/or more socially sound pursuits rather than the futility of religion.

this is quite funny. you've never actually asked me for my opinion before. hmm. now you have it.

in short, i find you smart enough that I don't understand why you attribute yourself to things i believe is under your caliber.


marinate deep. real speak.
 
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Hit The Blunt said:

If good and evil are man made concepts then God does not have to be good & evil to be omnipotent.
i concur completely!

the rest I dont concur with because like i said. i don't take the deist or theists perspective.

I find it is a trend that when i speak of heresy those are the only threads that you speak to me on. how peculiar.
 
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Why do people take religion so seriously?

It depends on what you constitute as "seriously", and what caused them to react in that way. If it means communism, and attempted control over someone's mind, then that gives just reason to take it "seriously".

But if you mean, Joe Dumbass who is on the board every minute of the day, posting "FUCK YOU I'M RIGHT, YOUR WRONG" posts, because he/she is a follower and believes eveything that they're told, then those people are just ignorant and looking for a fight. I believe it would be best to just ignore them...

This thread has done nothing but get everyone angry with eachother over a debate that will never end...

People are going to believe in what they want to. Whether it's Jesus, Buddah, or a Cow. No need for anyone to get offended, if someone wants to eat cats because it brings them closer to God, so be it.
 

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What does linux have to do with religion???? you and i have talked about that. hold up let me say this to the board.

IF ANY OF YOU THINK THAT HERESY (AARON) IS THIS HOLY LAMB OF GOD AND KNOW IT ALL YOU ARE WRONG. I *AM* ON A SEARCH FOR PIETY. DO I SIN? YEP. DO I FALL? YEP. DO I TRY TO WALK THE WAY I SHOULD? YES. AM I SORRY FOR THE THINGS I SAY AND DO THAT HURT PEOPLE? YES. NOT BECAUSE IT GRIEVES THEM BUT BECAUSE IT GRIEVES GOD ALSO. OK ENOUGH OF THAT RANT.

BACK AT X.

@X
i find you intelligent and misguided albeit it is my own opinion. you have been one of the few people i've enjoyed debating with. it is rare that i find a blacc person capable of being intellectually vociferus about his beliefs.
I FIND YOU ALL OF THE ABOVE EXCEPT FOR MISGUIDED. YOU ARENT MISGUIDED. YOU ARE IN OPEN REBELLION. THATS BETWEEN YOU AND HIM.

I've never and still don't have anything against you.
SAME HERE.
You read books. not too many niggas i know do. so the opportunity to discourse perspectives on books appeals to me.
WANNA HIDE SOMETHING FROM A NEGRO????? IM SURE YOU HEARD THAT BEFORE. IF YOU CANT/DONT READ YOU MISS OUT ON MANY THINGS. I DONT CARE IF ITS RELIGION,SEX OR INSECTS. READ. IT MAY SEEM USELESS AT THAT POINT IN TIME BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU WILL HAVE TO DRAW BACK ON YOU PREVIOUSLY READ.


*SIDE NOTE*: FEMALES LIKE MEN WHO ARE INTELLIGENT AND HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF A VAST ARRAY OF SUBJECTS.

OK BACK TO THE MAIN TOPIC.
I fucc with you because you are fun to fucc with. it's just so easy.
SO YOU THINK YOU ARE PULLING THE STRINGS? LMAO!!!
my concern is I am opinionated. and in that opinion i feel that you would be a better service to the board and quite possibly to yourself if you (like i do) see yourself ABOVE theism, deism, & etcetera.
I AM ABOVE THESE THINGS. I AM NOT ABOVE MY LORD. IM **NOT** FOR "RELIGION". ESPECIALLY THE CANDY COATED CHRISTIAN 501C (3) CHURCH. IM FOR EACH PERSON HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CREATOR. IM NOT FOR RITUALS,TRADITIONS OLD RULES AND REGULATIONS. IM FOR PIETY AND A ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP.
I think you'd be more of an asset to the blacc community if you put more of your intellect towards more lucrative and/or more socially sound pursuits rather than the futility of religion.
RIGHT NOW I HAVE AN INTEREST TO EITHER PURSUE THEOLOGY OR LAW (SCHOOL). "RELIGION" IS FUTILE. "TRUE RELIGION" IS NOT. WHAT IS TRUE RELIGION? FEEDING THE POOR,CARING FOR THE ORPHANS,VISITING THE SICK AND SPENDING TIME WITH THE WIDOWS.

WHERE IS MY MONEY BETTER SPENT? WITH THE PREACHER WHO GETS FREE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT? THE PREACHER WHO RECEIVES TITHES (NOT VALIDATED BY SCRIPTURE)? OR IS IT BETTER SPENT WITH THE GUY WHO I DONT KNOW? THE GUY WHO I *KNOW* IS BROKE AND DOWN ON HIS LAST? IS IT BETTER SPENT ON THE CHILD WHO HAS NOTHING AND WANTS FOR A SIMPLE TOY?

WHEN I DO THESE THINGS I DONT DO IT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE. FOR PEOPLE TO SAY "HE GAVE THIS HE GAVE THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH". I DO IT BECAUSE I AM BLESSED AND I LOVE TO BLESS OTHERS. IM NOT TALKING MATERIAL BLESSINGS EITHER.

WHATS SOCIALLY SOUND? DESTROY THE 501 C3 CHURCH.
this is quite funny. you've never actually asked me for my opinion before. hmm. now you have it.
I HAVE. ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. YOU SIMPLY BYPASSED IT.
in short, i find you smart enough that I don't understand why you attribute yourself to things i believe is under your caliber.
LMAO! THE THING IS I OFTEN PONDER THIS MYSELF. SOMETIMES DOUBT WILL POP UP. TRIALS WILL BE THROWN MY WAY ETC ETC ETC. I OFTEN QUESTION MYSELF AND MY BELIEFS AT TIMES. SOMETIMES I FEEL ITS FOR NOTHING. WHEN I GET THOSE FEELINGS IM ALWAYS REASSURED THAT ITS *NOT* FOR NOTHING.

WHEN YOU AND I HAVE OUR CONVO (WE WILL) A LOT OF THINGS WILL COME TO LIGHT. BEING ON THE NET ITS SO HARD TO CONVEY EMOTIONS OR WHATS BEING SAID.

NOW I ASK YOU. HAVE YOU HIT YOUR LOWEST POINT YET?







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