whould there ever be a Norte Vs Sur CD ?
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SHADOW'S VERSE LYRICALLY WAS GOOD...AS I READ IT IT FLOWED...BUT CONEHO'S VERSE WAS FULL OF BIG WORDS BUT IT DIDN'T FLOW TO ME...SOME PUT BIG WORDS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE LYRICAL BUT IF IT DOESN'T FLOW THEN WHAT'S THE POINT...MAYBE THE BEAT HELPS IT??
LIKE I SAID BEFORE...THERE IS ONLY A FEW FOOLS FROM EACH SIDE THAT CAN REALLY BRING IT...
LIKE I SAID BEFORE...THERE IS ONLY A FEW FOOLS FROM EACH SIDE THAT CAN REALLY BRING IT...
FUCK THE LYRICS,WHO SELLING AND WHO AINT...THATS ALL THAT MATTERS..WHO MAKES BETTER MUSIC THAT THE CONSUMER LIKES,CAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT WHO'S PUSHING UNITS IN THE END...LYRICS DONT MEAN JACK,LOOK AT CANIBUS OR THE REST OF THESE SO CALLED LYRICISTS, THIER ALL BROKE..... ANYWAYS SINCE EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT LYRICS THOUGH, ILL SEE IF I CAN POST SOME....
the Norteno raps listed so far are plain and simple more obviously gangster rap. The Sureno raps listed had a more off the wall form that doesn't come off as classically gangster at first glance. The Norteno raps also tended to mention the anti-Sureno/pro Northern Cali thing where the Sureno one's didnt bother with an anti-Norteno/pro Southern message. This is just music of course and none of the examples are representative of either sides vast majority of rappers because there is alot of whack bullshit out there.
"SUR RAPPERS" DONT DISS NORTENOS,SO ITS KINDA HARD TO COMPARE THE LYRICS WHEN ONLY ONE SIDE IS DIRECTLY DISSING ANOTHER, THE STYLE OUT HERE IS MORE LAID BACK,TALKING ABOUT BITCHES ,LOWRIDING GETTING HIGH NOT JUST GANGBANGING...AND WHEN IT IS ABOUT GANGBANGING ITS USUALLY TOWARDS OTHER SURENOS RAPPERS OR OTHER HOODS OR CITYS..I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANYBODY DIRECTLY DISS NORTENOS..CONEJO,SHADOW,KNIGHTOWL,OLDTOWN GANGSTERS,CAPONE-E,MR CRIMINAL,LIL ONE,SNAPPER,BIGG BANDIT ETC NEVER EVEN MENTION THEM.JUST BECAUSE A RAPPERS YELLING OUT SUR 13 DONT MEAN THIER DISSING NORTES,THATS LIKE YELLING BROWN PRIDE OUT HERE.CAUSE EVERYBODY CAN RELATE TO IT.THE ONLY ONE I HEARD THAT MIGHT BE DISSING THE NORTH IS THAT CD BUSTER FREE BY MISTER D,IF THATS WHAT THE WORD BUSTER IS REFFERING TOO CAUSE I HAVENT HEARD IT.BUT I CANT FIND THE LYRICS ONLINE..
SHADOW
When the sun goes down you hear the wolf cry
Thugs don't die, we multiply
So put your money where your mouth is and handle business
Fuck a witness, become a victim of my hit list
Now check my status, I got these motherfuckers ducking
If you be owing me duckets you better pay before I start dumping
A little something for that ass to make you fly straight
If not I'll make your own people ship you in the wooden crate
The mental state of mine is strickly fuck a foe, fuck a hoe
Fuck everything around you that ain't making dough
I gotta hustle everyday, make sure I get my pay
My lady's getting bitchy cuz the baby's on the way
I pray to God that I make it through
Yeah, I know that I'm a fool but what the fuck is it to you
I used to sell dimes, quarters and ounces
Now I push keys overseas when I'm bouncing
Lounging in a different state, counting stacks
Worldwide ballers know that Shadow got the fat sacks
In Cali We Live Rowdy, ain't nothing changed
Where the gangsters still claim and the dealers still slang
What's my name, Shadow, Amici Park banger
With Sancho in the back rolling primos out the vega
See motherfuckers hate us cuz we can't be touched
set up shop in your hood and have you hoes bitched up
So what up, who in the fuck wanna step in my parameter
Test your nuts then I let off the caliber
So bow down or get your punk ass rushed
Around here it's no joke, we're getting high as fuck
Intoxicated, faded on the daily making cheddar
Worldwide gangsters down for whatever
When the sun goes down you hear the wolf cry
Thugs don't die, we multiply
So put your money where your mouth is and handle business
Fuck a witness, become a victim of my hit list
Now check my status, I got these motherfuckers ducking
If you be owing me duckets you better pay before I start dumping
A little something for that ass to make you fly straight
If not I'll make your own people ship you in the wooden crate
The mental state of mine is strickly fuck a foe, fuck a hoe
Fuck everything around you that ain't making dough
I gotta hustle everyday, make sure I get my pay
My lady's getting bitchy cuz the baby's on the way
I pray to God that I make it through
Yeah, I know that I'm a fool but what the fuck is it to you
I used to sell dimes, quarters and ounces
Now I push keys overseas when I'm bouncing
Lounging in a different state, counting stacks
Worldwide ballers know that Shadow got the fat sacks
In Cali We Live Rowdy, ain't nothing changed
Where the gangsters still claim and the dealers still slang
What's my name, Shadow, Amici Park banger
With Sancho in the back rolling primos out the vega
See motherfuckers hate us cuz we can't be touched
set up shop in your hood and have you hoes bitched up
So what up, who in the fuck wanna step in my parameter
Test your nuts then I let off the caliber
So bow down or get your punk ass rushed
Around here it's no joke, we're getting high as fuck
Intoxicated, faded on the daily making cheddar
Worldwide gangsters down for whatever
CONEJO
Dust to dust my steal never rust
That's why I'm shackled down on this L.A. county bus
High velocity dreams and sinister grins
In the eye of the storm in a city full of sin
Toxic doses that are so profound
Get a wake up call with extreme withdrawl
From dusk till dawn I build mine strong
I don't wanna be right if the barrio is wrong
Cause I gots the glock for the vatos on your block
So ese take cover if you don't wants to drop
I lock it down it keep the entourage heated
Mistakes not repeated all attempts were succeeded
Indeed, I got a story to tell
With the mini 14 for this west side tale
Intake the purest of them all
With a deadly combination cause I like them raw
Dust to dust my steal never rust
That's why I'm shackled down on this L.A. county bus
High velocity dreams and sinister grins
In the eye of the storm in a city full of sin
Toxic doses that are so profound
Get a wake up call with extreme withdrawl
From dusk till dawn I build mine strong
I don't wanna be right if the barrio is wrong
Cause I gots the glock for the vatos on your block
So ese take cover if you don't wants to drop
I lock it down it keep the entourage heated
Mistakes not repeated all attempts were succeeded
Indeed, I got a story to tell
With the mini 14 for this west side tale
Intake the purest of them all
With a deadly combination cause I like them raw
Gang affiliation, it's a gang retaliation
Case out the joint, then spray the location
Cuz what they don't know, that I refuse to disengage
Conejo meditating, elaborate the phase
Housing eviction, as long as my addiction
Gots to slow down, I'm having homicidal visions
Me and Gato got the clave
Choose your poison, then meet me in the calle
Sniper attacks, then comes the instinct
When crooked juras (cops)roam my district
I detonate the verse like a deadly curse
Go down in the books, with LA's most
Homey can't you tell how many times I been to jail
More than enough, from the tower you get snuffed
And while I'm out, they don't make it
Their minds couldn't take it
Vatos breaking down like it was premeditated
Strolling down the calle(street), enemigas jam me up
Seen the taca on my neck, then they start to disrespect (where you from ese)
It's like David and Goliath, I set off a riot
Ese want to test me, loco don't even try it (don't even try it)
Dialated eyes, I become a lethal weapon
Involving doors, behind bars fighting wars
Unexplained, in my digital domain
Conejo don't forget, I'm no joke slash no game
See the county bus on the way to the condado(county)
Crossed my mind, in the celda doing time
I shoot this kite, and send it down your way
Gangster dedication, subliminal display
Behind the wall, parolee at the gate
Gotta watch my back, no room for mistakes
Cuz when the dust settles nearly everyone is gone
Reach for your stash, everything went wrong
My way
Case out the joint, then spray the location
Cuz what they don't know, that I refuse to disengage
Conejo meditating, elaborate the phase
Housing eviction, as long as my addiction
Gots to slow down, I'm having homicidal visions
Me and Gato got the clave
Choose your poison, then meet me in the calle
Sniper attacks, then comes the instinct
When crooked juras (cops)roam my district
I detonate the verse like a deadly curse
Go down in the books, with LA's most
Homey can't you tell how many times I been to jail
More than enough, from the tower you get snuffed
And while I'm out, they don't make it
Their minds couldn't take it
Vatos breaking down like it was premeditated
Strolling down the calle(street), enemigas jam me up
Seen the taca on my neck, then they start to disrespect (where you from ese)
It's like David and Goliath, I set off a riot
Ese want to test me, loco don't even try it (don't even try it)
Dialated eyes, I become a lethal weapon
Involving doors, behind bars fighting wars
Unexplained, in my digital domain
Conejo don't forget, I'm no joke slash no game
See the county bus on the way to the condado(county)
Crossed my mind, in the celda doing time
I shoot this kite, and send it down your way
Gangster dedication, subliminal display
Behind the wall, parolee at the gate
Gotta watch my back, no room for mistakes
Cuz when the dust settles nearly everyone is gone
Reach for your stash, everything went wrong
My way
those verses were decent..i mean..in all honesty..they just didnt really come across as real tight to me..conejo shit was prolly the best out of the southern cali verses...but if i could actually follow a Shadow(Northern cali) verse all the way thru..and type it out on here..i could prove my point that hes one of the best lyricist out there..gang bangin or not...but than again..he spits so much shit it's probably better to just hear the shit..cuz readin the lines doesnt really prove much..except the actual use of vocabulary..which is important..but delivery is equally as important
Thats not true because Capone-e, Frost, Knightowl, and Payaso and the Dukes Click all diss Nortenos.
The biggest difference between Nortenos and Surenos rap music is their local influences.
Nortenos sound more like Brotha Lynch and C-BO with the "killa raps" and gang related references.
Surenos sound more like traditional westcoast with their sampling of ZappnRoger and Dr. Dre beats.
The biggest difference between Nortenos and Surenos rap music is their local influences.
Nortenos sound more like Brotha Lynch and C-BO with the "killa raps" and gang related references.
Surenos sound more like traditional westcoast with their sampling of ZappnRoger and Dr. Dre beats.
BULLSHIT,NAME ONE SONG WHERE THEY DISS THE NORTH...PROVE IT,POST THE LYRICS...I HAVE YET TO HEAR CHICANO RAPPERS OR SUR RAPPERS DISS NORTENOS..UNLIKE NORTENOS WHO DEDICATE WHOLE ALBUMS OR SONGS DISSING SURENOS...MAYBE YOU'LL HEAR SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING DOWN THE LINE LIKE "ILL PUT A BUSTER TO SLEEP""BUT THE WORD BUSTER CAN MEAN ANYBODY...NAME ONE SONG WHERE THEY SAYING SOMETHING MORE DIRECT LIKE FUCK NORTENOS FUCK 14 FUCK THE NORTH ..I WANNA HEAR IT..
What I think is garbage is the fact that a certain somebody on here thinks that NO SURENO rapper could ever possibly come close to reaching the 'elite' level, the 'great' status', the undisputed godliness of Norteno rappers.
I mean...come on...ANYONE who's ever heard Mr Shadow knows he's FAR from weak...same goes for Conejo.
I've heard Norteno rappers that come hard, and I've also heard Sureno rappers that do so, too. In my opinion, I've heard better lyrics and smoother flows from Surenos than from Nortenos.
Does that mean that ALL SURENOS are better than ALL NORTENOS?
Far from it...
And as for Dyno...Let me take this opportunity to ask ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RESPOND to seriously...and I mean seriously...tell me that DYNO is a better lyricist/rapper than Mr Shadow, Conejo, etc...seriously.
Same goes for Frost, if you're talking about lyrical skills. Doods are coo' rappers, but they're not on the same level (lyrically) as others that have been mentioned.
What I think is ridiculous is the fact that people think just because they're from Norte/Sur, the music from there is so much better than ANYWHERE else.
I give props to the guy (?) that gave it up to Mr Shadow (forgot his name), even though he's from the Norte. That shows maturity and intelligence in being able to look past the Sur/Norte shit.
And as for the kats talking about how weak Mr Shadow/Conejo's tracks were...the verses you posted up didn't look that impressive, either.
That's why I feel you need to HEAR the lyrics, not read them. I could type up the dopest 16 bars ever written (...well, maybe not me...heh), but if I can't flow for shit, and my voice is wack, and I stutter and have a speach impedement...I doubt it'd be that great.
Feel me on that?
Hear the tracks, then make a judgement.
And yeah...I agree about the part where it was said that Sureno rappers don't diss Nortenos as much as Nortenos diss Surenos. It happens BOTH WAYS, but I've listened to MANY, MANY, MANY Sureno/Norteno albums, and I'd say that 9 times out of...9.1, it's the Nortenos dissing the Surenos.
The albums by Nortenos are often packed with disses on the Surenos. I don't understand why. If your lyrics are that great, why bother?
Drop a diss track, then focus on improving yourself and putting out the best album you can.
If you need to diss someone on EVERY track...you're just like a smart-assed kid in junior high that gets on everyone's nerves.
Also...it was said that Dyno and DRF are mostly used when talking about Norteno artists because they put out so many albums, and I can believe that. There are many more Norteno rappers who could shovel Dyno into the dirt (under his cell, of course
)
But seriously, if you're going to try to argue for either side, at least sit down and listen to some tracks, then make a judgement.
And yeah...in answering the first question...an album like this would be coo', but would never happen.
Peace
I mean...come on...ANYONE who's ever heard Mr Shadow knows he's FAR from weak...same goes for Conejo.
I've heard Norteno rappers that come hard, and I've also heard Sureno rappers that do so, too. In my opinion, I've heard better lyrics and smoother flows from Surenos than from Nortenos.
Does that mean that ALL SURENOS are better than ALL NORTENOS?
Far from it...
And as for Dyno...Let me take this opportunity to ask ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RESPOND to seriously...and I mean seriously...tell me that DYNO is a better lyricist/rapper than Mr Shadow, Conejo, etc...seriously.
Same goes for Frost, if you're talking about lyrical skills. Doods are coo' rappers, but they're not on the same level (lyrically) as others that have been mentioned.
What I think is ridiculous is the fact that people think just because they're from Norte/Sur, the music from there is so much better than ANYWHERE else.
I give props to the guy (?) that gave it up to Mr Shadow (forgot his name), even though he's from the Norte. That shows maturity and intelligence in being able to look past the Sur/Norte shit.
And as for the kats talking about how weak Mr Shadow/Conejo's tracks were...the verses you posted up didn't look that impressive, either.
That's why I feel you need to HEAR the lyrics, not read them. I could type up the dopest 16 bars ever written (...well, maybe not me...heh), but if I can't flow for shit, and my voice is wack, and I stutter and have a speach impedement...I doubt it'd be that great.
Feel me on that?
Hear the tracks, then make a judgement.
And yeah...I agree about the part where it was said that Sureno rappers don't diss Nortenos as much as Nortenos diss Surenos. It happens BOTH WAYS, but I've listened to MANY, MANY, MANY Sureno/Norteno albums, and I'd say that 9 times out of...9.1, it's the Nortenos dissing the Surenos.
The albums by Nortenos are often packed with disses on the Surenos. I don't understand why. If your lyrics are that great, why bother?
Drop a diss track, then focus on improving yourself and putting out the best album you can.
If you need to diss someone on EVERY track...you're just like a smart-assed kid in junior high that gets on everyone's nerves.
Also...it was said that Dyno and DRF are mostly used when talking about Norteno artists because they put out so many albums, and I can believe that. There are many more Norteno rappers who could shovel Dyno into the dirt (under his cell, of course
)But seriously, if you're going to try to argue for either side, at least sit down and listen to some tracks, then make a judgement.
And yeah...in answering the first question...an album like this would be coo', but would never happen.
Peace