who will win at ufc 91 Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar?

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who will win at UFC 91 Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar?

  • Randy Couture by TKO or KO

    Votes: 10 18.2%
  • Randy Couture by Submission

    Votes: 12 21.8%
  • Randy Couture by Decision

    Votes: 13 23.6%
  • Brock Lesnar by TKO or KO

    Votes: 20 36.4%
  • Brock Lesnar by by Submission

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Brock Lesnar by Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    55
  • Poll closed .
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A Brock and a Hard Place

You know “Judo” Gene LeBell even if you don’t know “Judo” Gene LeBell: He’s a grappler-hyphen-stuntman with a face right out of Tolkien’s imagination, a judoka from the days when you didn’t need written waivers to step onto a mat and squeeze the carotids until an opponent’s face looked like a burnt turnip.

LeBell has the kind of stories you’d expect from an 80-something martial artist, many of which involve him doing something that no lawyer today would ever allow. Most notably, he had what’s believed to be the first cross-discipline prizefight in history, a 1963 bout with boxer Milo Savage. (Spoiler: LeBell won.)

In an earlier, pre-PETA incident, LeBell actually scrapped with a 700-pound Canadian black bear named Victor. It wasn’t a real no-holds-barred fight -- the loser wasn’t dinner -- but it goes to show you that there’s not much new under the sun; fifty years on and the man vs. beast promotional hook is alive, well and coming to a pay-per-view provider near you on Saturday.

Brock Lesnar, all 280 pounds of escaped zoo animal that he is, is ostensibly the bear, a quick, vicious and almost supernaturally strong carnivore whose athleticism makes him nearly impossible to control. Standing in opposition is Randy Couture, the comparatively weaker homo sapien who will have to try and negate that aggression with a more substantial martial arts IQ.

It may not be the most sensible matchup for the UFC’s tangled heavyweight title picture -- Lesnar is a piddling 1-1 in the organization -- but it’s exactly the kind of guilty-pleasure spectacle that gives fans, for lack of a more masculine term, butterflies. Lesnar is nothing if not imposing, and Couture is nothing if not capable. Bet large on the fight and there’s a 50/50 chance you’ll be enjoying Top Ramen for a few months.

That’s because handicapping the bout is largely pointless without having any knowledge of which Couture will show up. While he looked sharp against another Doctor Moreau creation in Gabriel Gonzaga last August, taking 14 months off in your mid-40s is for CEOs, not prizefighters; as much as the media likes to romanticize Couture’s remarkable career stamina, his body will eventually decide to follow its genetic fate and begin decomposing.

If that sounds like preamble for a declaration that Couture is once again the underdog, you’re half-right. My problem -- actually, Couture’s problem -- with Lesnar is his ridiculous speed for a man of his dimensions. While Gonzaga and Tim Sylvia placed similar strain on the scales, their offense looks like underwater aerobics compared to the big man’s pressure. Frank Mir, who submitted Lesnar with a leg lock, compared the fight to “getting hit by a car.” (A chilling proclamation coming from a man who actually was struck by a moving vehicle.)

But it goes both ways: While Couture hasn’t had to deal with this kind of young man’s agility and wrestling ability since a competitive bout with Kevin Randleman in 2000, Lesnar has yet to face anyone who can challenge him in the way Couture can. “The Natural’s” Greco-Roman tie-up is a perfectly adopted art of clinch work, dirty boxing and slams. In terms of ring generalship, he’s Patton, and no one in Lesnar’s camp will be able to diversify the way he can.

And while Lesnar is undoubtedly a behemoth, Couture is hardly a flyweight; see him in person and you’ll think a brick wall grew legs.

Unless Lesnar simply blasts right through him, it’s incredibly likely a momentary lapse in combat judgment -- a side effect of inexperience -- will allow Couture to capitalize. I sense a rear-naked choke in Lesnar’s immediate future, the kind of submission that bypasses his Redwood trunk of a torso in favor of his airway -- the perfect method for inducing a panic attack in any rookie fighter. If not, expect Couture to use Lesnar’s head for target practice in the clinch until a broken nose prompts a doctor intervention.

Does Couture gain anything with the effort? It really depends on how competitive Lesnar makes the fight. If he folds early to inexperience and ignorance, the headlines will downplay the challenge. If he pushes Couture into the championship rounds, they’ll both come out looking solid.

Any way you slice it, though, dealing with someone of Lesnar’s proportions and wrestling resume at age 45 is well worth bragging about.

If Couture does fold under the pressure, it shouldn’t necessarily signal the end of his tenure in the sport. Losing to a missing piece of Easter Island is hardly shameful, and there are plenty of compelling bouts for the fighter left on the marquee.

Lesnar has options either way: He heads into a unification match with the interim champion or finds himself fighting the loser of December’s Nogueira/Mir contest.

Alternately, he could smash a steel chair over Dana White’s head and get into a feud with Junie Allen Browning.

The only guaranteed winner is the UFC, which can profit from Couture continuing a storybook career or finding a new figurehead in the highly charismatic Lesnar. Visually, he’s an immediate hook; attitudinally, he borders on being the perfect MMA heel, with a scowl and a crop-top that makes him look like the world’s surliest G.I. Joe.

Right now, though, he’s simply part of the proper alchemy for a Couture fight: List his opponent’s advantages on paper (many), his chances of winning (iffy) and then watch Couture stuff humility down our throats via a superior game plan, conditioning and ambition.

Bears are no picnic to deal with, but a hunter with the right experience and enough firepower shouldn’t have many worries.

Couture has all the ammunition he needs; here’s hoping he’s still fast enough to pull the trigger.
 
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RANDY COUTURE BREAKS DOWN BROCK LESNAR

When Randy Couture finally returns to action on Saturday night fans at UFC 91 in Las Vegas are expected to give the UFC heavyweight champion one of the loudest ovations any fighter has ever felt before. But soon after the entrance, the business begins and standing across from Couture will be Brock Lesnar waiting to welcome the champion back to the Octagon.

The match-up with Lesnar is very interesting simply because the former WWE superstar currently holds a 2-1 professional record and hasn’t gone through many of the top contenders most would view he should fight before getting to Couture. But the champion understands why this fight was made and also compliments the fighters right underneath him hungry for a shot at the championship.

“I don’t think anyone’s pretending that he’s earned No. 1 contender status,” Couture told MMAWeekly Radio recently. “With (Frank) Mir, who caught him in a kneebar and obviously (Antonio Rodrigo) Nogueira out there holding the interim championship. Those are the two candidates probably most likely to be No. 1 contenders. Obviously Nogueira is more than a contender, he’s the interim champ. I think it’s about putting on a big fight.”

The fight will likely be one of, if not the biggest fight, in UFC history in terms of viewers tuning into the pay-per-view on Saturday night. Couture isn’t looking at this as a spectacle, he’s focused on breaking down Brock Lesnar, and he understands the dangers he presents in the cage.

“He’s a big strong guy that poses interesting problems in the heavyweight division. He may not be the most experienced opponent, but still a competitor. I think having a similar wrestling background makes it an interesting fight,” Couture commented.

“You don’t find a lot of big guys that move as well as he does and he uses that wrestling base very effectively with his 275-pound frame. Those things coupled make for a pretty interesting fight.”

A major factor going into the five-round title fight is the fact that Couture hasn’t fought since August 2007 in a win over Gabriel Gonzaga, but the seemingly ageless wonder has been staying busy in his off time and is anxious to see if Lesnar is ready for him.

“I’ve been pretty active with the guys at Xtreme Couture. I’ve been in their camps and training with them and they’re pretty active, so it wasn’t a huge stretch to get my body back to top fight shape,” stated Couture. “I’ve had a good 10 weeks to get ready for this fight, and I feel like I’ve really come into a peak here... so I’m ready to go.”

The early part of the bout may be the biggest storm that Couture will have to weather, as Lesnar has been an imposing force in the opening stages of each bout in his brief three-fight career.

“We absolutely know he’s going to come out hard,” said Couture. “He’s a freight train; he explodes. He’s going to come out hard in that first round, and try to be overwhelming and we have to be prepared for that.”

Two other major factors in the fight come down to Lesnar’s relative inexperience in the cage. Through those first three match-ups, the Minnesota native has not taken a punch standing or been put on his back, which for a championship level wrestler is uncharted waters for sure.

“I definitely want to punch him in the face. I don’t think anybody’s stood in there and really give him a good taste of what mixed martial arts is all about,” Couture commented about his strategy going into the fight.

“The other thing is I’m perfectly capable of taking him down and putting him on his back, which is another area where I haven’t seen him yet. I have the wrestling ability to put him on his back just as easily as he can put me on my back.”

With so many different factors playing into the bout between Couture and Lesnar, the fight is beyond just a title fight, pitting champion against challenger.

It’s the old lion against the young lion.

It’s the veteran versus the new kid on the block.

It’s simply going to be one of the biggest fights in UFC history.

It's Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar.
 
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BROCK LESNAR READY TO GO TO WORK

The whole scene is very Rocky IV, minus Russian Ivan Drago.

Former NCAA wrestling champion Brock Lesnar travels to chilly northern Minnesota, hours away from the outside world, to train for a fight anticipated to be the biggest pay-per-view event in UFC history. In place of Drago posters, Lesnar totes opponent Randy Couture’s biography, training books, and fight videos to immerse himself in the mind of his adversary.

“We got to know Randy pretty well,” Lesnar said of the two-month camp in preparation for UFC 91.

Knowing the “caveman” training drills popular at Minnesota Mixed Martial Arts, Lesnar’s trainer, Greg Nelson, probably found a few tractor trailers for the heavyweight to drag around as well.

“I’m excited to come out and enter the world again, because I’ve just been away for eight weeks,” Lesnar added. “I had big guys to train with and guys that have wrestled Randy before… we had a really good camp. I’m honored to get into the Octagon with Randy.”

By all appearances, Lesnar is well settled into the life of a mixed martial artist. In only three professional fights, he’s managed to cement a reputation as the future of the UFC’s heavyweight division. His pro wrestling past, now four years behind him, is no longer a lurking question. He can fight.

Lesnar said he and Nelson worked hard to plug the remaining holes in his game following his decision win over Heath Herring at UFC 87.

“We watched that fight over probably a hundred times and looking for other things that I can do to stay busy and stay more dominant,” Lesnar said.

In Couture, the former pro wrestler is taking on a man with a decided edge in championship-level competition. Even in amateur wrestling, where Lesnar developed his powerhouse style, Couture has more years and more medals on the mats. But at 31, Lesnar is younger, has fewer miles on his body, and carries a size advantage that can’t be overlooked.

Lesnar believes his youthful inexperience will be a positive come the 15th of November. He can’t be afraid of the demands of a 25-minute fight, because he’s never had one.

“There’s one thing of having experience, and there’s another of just not knowing any different,” he said. “I’ve never fought five rounds, but I don’t know any different either. It’s kind of a toss-up for me because I’ve got to just put my head down and go.”

Though most pundits have pegged the fight as a wrestling battle for top position, Lesnar says he has worked extensively to better his 4XL-sized hands.

“Speed plus mass equals destruction, so we’re just trying to… sharpen my hands and how I’m executing my punches,” he said. “Maybe I could be wrong, but… he’s going to want to stay away from my hands because I feel that he might be threatened by them.”

Still, Lesnar admits that much like his fight with Herring, the fight will be about controlling the bulk – or relative lack thereof – of his opponent. He knows Couture has struggled against bigger heavyweights, but also wants to be ready if he’s in a bad position.

“It’s just about staying calm and executing the right things and not worrying about anything if it doesn’t happen,” Lesnar said. “It’s a mental thing too. You get guys out of their comfort zone and boom, the heart rate goes up and they’re like a deer in the headlights, so obviously better try not to be that guy.”

Whatever happens this Saturday, Lesnar says he did the right things to prepare for Couture on those cold Minnesota days and nights.

“I’m prepared for just about anything Randy Couture has to offer,” he said. “And I hope that he brings everything, including the kitchen sink.”

If betting odds are any indication, the sports community has already warmed to him. One line has him at -125 to Couture’s -105, virtually erasing the vast experience gap between the two.

The chance to take the UFC heavyweight belt – his first in eight years where the outcome wasn’t pre-determined – doesn’t concern him at this point.

“I got a lot of plowing to get done before I get to see the end of the field on this one,” said Lesnar. “Hopefully at the end of the five rounds or before that, my hand gets raised – the only thing that’s in front of me right now is Randy Couture.”

That singular focus is Lesnar’s calm before the storm.

“I’m at peace with my life,” he said. “I’m at peace with my family and I’m at peace in the fight game right now. So whether I come across cocky or confident, take it either way.”
 
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brock couldnt finish heath herring.. what makes everyone so sure hes gonna stop couture?
EXACTLY wut i was thinking. i think herring woulda even had a chance if he didn't get rocced the first 10 seconds in the fight. he never even came to after that. i voted couture by submission. fold.
 
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Lesnar: Couture Hasn't Fought Anyone Like Me

Whatever Brock Lesnar is doing, he has a knack for doing it on the biggest stage possible, with an emphasis on the dramatic.

Whether it’s cracking the big time as a pro wrestler, his tryout with the Minnesota Vikings or three fights as a mixed martial artist, the former NCAA champ seems to have a knack for finding himself in front of as many eyeballs as possible no matter what he does.

Fittingly, with his challenge of UFC legend Randy Couture for the organization’s heavyweight championship Saturday night, the 2-1 Lesnar faces a living legend who seems perfectly cast as a spoiler to his rise, someone perfectly geared toward upsetting the momentum of a decidedly fast-moving freight train.

Coming off as a pick-em with bookmakers, Lesnar and Couture pose some interesting questions for each other, and the biggest fight of the year.

Lesnar says he’s still taking notes coming off his dominant decision over Heath Herring in August and his preparations leave no stone unturned coming into his championship challenge.

“I learned a lot to relax and control a fight,” said Lesnar on a Nov. 6 media conference call. “Coming off the Herring fight -- we must have watched that fight over 100 times -- we looked for other things I can do to stay busy and dominant. Whether or not (Couture) has weaknesses, he doesn’t have a lot of them, but we’ve got to put him in positions to make him weak. We really had a good camp, and I had a lot of good guys that simulated Randy. Whatever comes out of this fight, I’ll know I did the right thing.”

After losing to Mir on a kneebar in his UFC debut, Lesnar’s brief-yet-explosive showing suggested a fighter with a boatload of potential. Taking Mir to the mat at will, he opened with a furious onslaught, hammering the former UFC heavyweight titleholder with blows before falling victim to the fight-ending submission.

Against Herring, there were no problems whatsoever. Lesnar consistently took the veteran down and controlled him, clearly cognizant of his positioning at all times and stuffing every possible attempt by Herring to escape or submit him. And with the amount of punishment he doled out in the 15-minute thumping, Lesnar showed decent conditioning.

Against Couture, however, that kind of benchmark can prove fruitless. The three-time UFC heavyweight champ has made a career out of grinding people down through superior wrestling and a taxing brand of clinches, takedowns and control. But with Lesnar -- who cuts weight to make 265 -- coming in some 50 pounds heavier, Couture, an outstanding college wrestler who served as an Olympic alternate four times, may have found the one guy who can toss him on his back in the opening moments of the bout. That’s if Lesnar’s lack of experience in MMA doesn’t become a factor before his freakish size and strength does.

While Lesnar has just three fights under his belt, his eye-popping athleticism -- witness the shocking speed with which he pounced on Herring after dropping him in the opening moments of their bout -- suggests a new kind of fighter that might be best served with developmental fights. But when you’re fighting Couture this early in your career, cracks in the still-developing armor could be exploited. Nonetheless, Lesnar insists he is at “100 percent” of his potential coming into the bout.

“I have to push around 230 pounds, and Randy has to push around 275 pounds,” he said. “There’s one thing for me that I understand very well. Randy’s fought big guys, but they don’t know how to wrestle and there’s a difference. Randy knows that too. The bigger guys that Randy has fought, Tim (Sylvia) and Gonzaga, they aren’t half the athlete I am as a wrestler or as a fighter, I don’t think.”

While most casual fans know Lesnar from his pro wrestling exploits, he has become a crossover star precisely because of that misunderstanding of his credentials. What has made him effective thus far is the fact that he was an NCAA heavyweight champion in 2000. Near the end of the Herring bout, some in-cage antics of Lesnar celebrating while his opponent struggled to survive the final seconds drew a lot of attention from fans, with mixed reactions. Whether it’s showmanship or bad sportsmanship, Lesnar remains pretty hard to ignore for anyone watching him fight.

“That was just my feelings, my emotions coming out,” Lesnar said of his actions during the Herring fight. “I was very excited to win that fight, and there were some things said from the Herring camp prior to the fight and it was me getting the last word in and putting the nail in the coffin. I’m a sportsman. I’ve always been a sportsman. That comes down to fans wanting to see good fights and just entertainment. They want entertainment. I have the utmost respect for Randy and I did for the guy I previously fought, but Randy has something that I dearly want and from day one fighting with this company, I want to be the heavyweight champion.”

Lesnar isn’t concerned that he’s getting Couture too soon, that perhaps some more fights would help him round out his game.

“In my mind, before I fought with (Mir), I wanted to come in and fight two or three fights and win those fights and hopefully get a title shot,” Lesnar said. “This has been a blessing in disguise. I wouldn’t even consider Randy as an underdog. He’s a tough son of a bitch. Randy wasn’t an underdog against Gonzaga, nor was he an underdog against Tim Sylvia. I never thought that he was in any of those fights. Randy’s a world-class athlete regardless of his age.”

Couture has been here before. Well established as the UFC’s poster boy killer, he has knocked off Vitor Belfort, Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell when all three were on unbeaten runs that suggested an older fighter was outmatched. In his last UFC bout, an August 2007 stoppage of Gabriel Gonzaga, Couture took out the Brazilian with a hard-nosed display of clinching and rough-and-rumble dirty boxing before finishing off the exhausted Gonzaga, who in his previous bout had scored a huge knockout of Mirko Filipovic. After giving away some 25 pounds in that bout, Couture faces a guy Saturday that will be 50 pounds larger come fight time. For the veteran, it’s the same story all over again.

“I’ve watched the footage that’s out there for Brock, and obviously his most recent endeavor in the Octagon was Heath Herring and I see the differences and see the improvement,” Couture said. “I have a pretty good idea technically of where he’s coming from because we share that similar wrestling background. I’ve wrestled plenty of guys that are Brock’s size. I don’t believe I’ve fought anybody that’s Brock’s size other than Tim (Sylvia). Most of my recent fights, the guys have been pretty large, at least outweighing me by 25 pounds. So those are things I’ve trained and am prepared to deal with.”

There are plenty of ways you could envision Lesnar losing this bout, as well as winning it. Couture has been in so many high-stakes fights that his experience makes him a tough nut to crack. Lesnar hasn’t been put on his back, for instance. And he hasn’t been in an extended, two-way dogfight that often serves as the final test of a fighter’s ability to hang at the top level.

But when a 6-foot-3, 265-pound bulwark of a man has to have special gloves made to fit his ham-like hands (Lesnar has said they’re size XXXXL, thank you), the power he generates even from a glancing blow can change everything. Lesnar’s first punch against Herring knocked the 250-pound Texan halfway across the cage, and Lesnar was seemingly on top of him before he landed. That kind of wild card is what makes Lesnar a factor in any fight, against anyone, even with just three matches under his belt.

Of course if Lesnar gets by Couture, he’ll be rewarded with yet another tough matchup. The winner of Saturday’s title fight will meet the victor of the Dec. 27 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira-Frank Mir bout that fills out the opening round of the UFC heavyweight title tournament. Either revenge or a showdown with one of the sport’s all-time great heavyweights could be next for Lesnar, but there’s no point in looking that far forward when he’ll be standing across the cage from a legend this weekend.

“All us amateur wrestlers are kind of one breed. If you’re in a wrestling tournament and if you’re gonna even have a thought of winning the tournament, you have to win the first match,” said Lesnar, whose bout with Couture kicks off the four-man field. “This is one big tournament to me and one match at a time and one opponent at a time.”
 
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UFC 91's Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar a muscled chess match

Trying to handicap Saturday night's Randy Couture-Brock Lesnar Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight title match is almost an exercise in futility.

There are two contradictory ways of looking at the match.

From a pure physical standpoint, it looks like no contest. Lesnar is bigger, stronger, faster and a whole lot younger, at 31, going against the 45-year-old champion, Couture.

Worse, Couture, a former alternate on the U.S. Olympic Greco-Roman wrestling team, has always relied on his wrestling as his great equalizer. Due to an expected 50-pound weight difference when they hit the cage, Couture is in danger of having his wrestling neutralized against Lesnar, a former NCAA wrestling champion.

Couture (16-8) was out-muscled by larger wrestlers Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez earlier in his career. But Couture has altered his game over the years, and Lesnar is still relatively untested as a fighter, as he is going into just his fourth pro mixed martial arts fight.

At first glance, Lesnar (2-1) seems the obvious pick in the main event of UFC 91 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Couture has beaten big guys, but none with Lesnar's raw physical gifts.

On the other hand, MMA is a sport that takes years to learn, since it involves learning so many different disciplines. Take a living legend who is still a world champion in any sport, and match him up with a better younger athlete who has only trained two years in the sport, and what is going to happen? The all-time great is most likely going to win, because he knows the game.

Lesnar, for all his physical advantages, has only had three professional fights, two of which were practically over in the blink of an eye. He has only trained in stand-up and jiu-jitsu for two years.

He's going against someone who is regarded as arguably the sport's best tactician, who always overcame the odds against people who were supposed to be too young, too big and too strong for him.

Couture is almost mythical in the sport when it comes to matches he's expected to lose. He's 9-1 over a nearly 12-year career when he went in as the underdog. When this fight was announced, Couture opened as a 7-to-5 favorite on the Las Vegas boards, but the vast majority of the betting money has come in on Lesnar, who is now a slight 5-to-4 favorite.

From that standpoint, this match could turn into a meeting of the matador and the bull, which is obviously Couture's game plan.

Couture will look to avoid the takedown, move from side-to-side, and baffle Lesnar with hand speed and footwork standing. At least in theory.

Heath Herring, Lesnar's last opponent, just as experienced as Couture although not nearly the wrestler, had the same theory, and spent the fight on his back getting pounded for three rounds en route to a unanimous decision loss at UFC 87.

"I have a pretty good idea technically where he's coming from because we have the same wrestling background," said Couture. "I've wrestled plenty of guys who are Brock's size, from Tolly Thompson on down. I don't believe I've fought anyone who is Brock's size, other than Tim (Sylvia)."

"For me, the goal is to dominate the fight and control him," said Lesnar. "For him, he's trying to take advantage of my weaknesses, but I don't think I have them."

We know Lesnar brings explosive takedowns into the match. We know Couture brings great wrestling, particularly from the clinch, with his Greco-Roman background. Can Lesnar take Couture down at will, or even at all? And if he does, can he keep him grounded? Can Couture's clinch game work against a bigger, stronger foe who can also wrestle?

How is Lesnar's stand-up? We don't know, other than he hits really hard. He knocked out Kim Min-soo in just over a minute in his June 2007 MMA debut with a few short punches while on top. He knocked down Frank Mir with a short jab in their February fight. And the highlight clip of him hitting Heath Herring so hard he sent him flying head over heels and may have broken his orbital bone will be seen on TV commercials flooding the marketplace the next several days.

But he's never stood and traded punches for any length of time. Couture can be knocked out, as Chuck Liddell twice demonstrated, and he's 45, which is always a concern if Lesnar connects, but he's counting on a superior boxing game.

How much has Lesnar's submission defense improved from his kneebar loss to Mir? Couture is not a submission specialist like Mir, but he's more experienced at it than Lesnar.

Can Lesnar take a punch? In three fights, we still don't know. How does he react to adversity? What happens if the fight goes into the fourth round?

"I'll absolutely have the advantage (in the fourth and fifth round)," said Lesnar. "He has to push around (my) 275 pounds and I have to push around (his) 230 pounds (Couture said last week he weighed 224, about the weight he expects to come in at. Lesnar will cut water to make the 265-pound limit but expects to go into the cage at 275).

People who look like Lesnar usually tire early, but that's where Lesnar differs from most guys his size. MMA legend Bas Rutten, in handicapping the bout, felt that if Couture could get out of the first round intact, the stamina would work in Couture's favor.

But, Lesnar had a reputation for great conditioning as a college wrestler, and his cardio program is mind-blowing for someone of his size, similar to heavily muscled lightweight Sean Sherk, who has never tired in a fight.

Couture will be in great shape, but he got plenty tired by the second round with Mike Van Arsdale, an Olympic-caliber wrestler who Couture put away three years ago. And Van Arsdale lacks Lesnar's strength.

But Couture, with his experience, will likely make fewer mistakes than Lesnar, is less likely to panic under pressure, and will almost surely better understand pacing, all of which works in his favor.

Lesnar has trained for this fight with better wrestlers than Couture, including Olympic hopeful Cole Konrad, a huge powerhouse, and coach Marty Morgan, who is closer to Couture's size and was a training partner of Couture's when both were international-caliber Greco-Roman wrestlers. Morgan's job was to mimic Couture in every way, but this Couture is not the wrestler of the ‘90s.

"I moved my camp a couple of hours away (from his home base in the Minneapolis area), to Northern Minnesota," said Lesnar. "We were out in the woods for eight-and-a-half or nine weeks, and away from the outside world. All we had were tapes of Randy Couture fights, and Randy Couture books to read, so we got to know Randy real well."

Couture's camp approach involved taking on big wrestlers, to work on his ability to handle size. But Lesnar feels he has an edge, because he had partners who could mimic Couture, while Couture's partners were as big as Lesnar, but didn't have his physical gifts.

Two years ago, Couture takes this fight easily. Two years from now, as age for Couture and experience for Lesnar take their effect, Lesnar would almost surely take it.

The question is, exactly when do those two lines intersect?

On Saturday, if it becomes a wrestling match, the edge goes to Lesnar. If Couture can avoid the ground, we don't know what Lesnar brings to the table standing, but it's possible Couture could make him look bad.

If it goes to round four, it becomes a conditioning game. But MMA matches can often end quickly, when one person makes a mistake and is in the wrong position at the wrong moment. When it comes to taking advantage of a mistake, Couture would be more likely to see that opening and capitalize.
 

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I don't think brock has enough experience under his belt, i think the natural is gonna wear him out just like he did to tim sylvia
 
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Fighting Father Time

America’s athletic battlefields are littered with good-intentioned men who stuck around too long in their chosen sport, their eroding physical skills rendering them incapable of recapturing the glory of day’s gone by. Remember Michael Jordan in a Washington Wizards uniform? Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfield also spring to mind.

Though his legacy and place in the mixed martial arts pantheon are secure, Randy Couture does not want his name added to the list.

A 15-month layoff in tow, the ageless Couture will defend his heavyweight crown against former World Wrestling Entertainment superstar Brock Lesnar in the main event at UFC 91 this Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. At 45, he vows not to overstay his welcome in a sport for which he has done so much during the course of his 12-year career.

“I’m a pretty rational person,” Couture says. “I’ve set standards for myself, and I realize at some point I’m not going to be able to meet those standards physically. I don’t think we’re anywhere close to that yet. I’ve got a close eye on all that. My body talks to me all the time, and I listen.”

Less than a decade away from senior citizenship, Couture’s inner fires still burn with the intensity of a man half his age. The thrill of competition drives him back into the cage at a time when many of his peers find themselves in steep decline.

“It’s the greatest job there is,” Couture says. “I still enjoy competing and training, my body’s holding up and I’m still getting better.”

When he left the Octagon after throttling rising Brazilian contender Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 74 last year, it appeared for a time that the MMA world might have seen the last of Couture the competitor. He tendered his resignation to the UFC two months later and was soon embroiled in a highly publicized and bitter legal battle with parent company Zuffa LLC.

The two sides came to their senses in September, as the UFC brought Couture back into the fold and offered him the match with Lesnar. A young buck 14 years Couture’s junior, Lesnar had rapidly become one of the company’s main draws, and a fight between the two heavyweights made sense for all involved.

“I didn’t have to think about it long,” Couture says. “I was just happy to get a fight and put all that other stuff behind me.”

Lesnar (2-1) -- though his career as a professional mixed martial artist remains in its formative stages -- brings an amateur wrestling pedigree to the cage few can match. A four-time collegiate All-American, two-time Big 10 Conference champion and 2000 NCAA national champion, he has transitioned smoothly to MMA, save for his submission loss to Frank Mir in his UFC debut.

Couture (16-8) sees a lot of himself, minus the attitude, in the hulking Minnesotan.

“I have a pretty good idea, technically, of where he’s coming from because we share that similar wrestling background,” he says. “We both want to do some of the same things.”

Few secrets exist between the two heavyweights involved in what the promotion has labeled “The Biggest Fight in UFC History.” Knowing what he faces -- an agile opponent who will likely outweigh him by some 50 pounds when the bell rings -- Couture has done what he can to prepare for all possibilities, even though finding training partners who could mirror Lesnar was easier said than done.

“I had a lot of guys in camp who were big, many of whom were bigger than Lesnar,” Couture says. “Finding guys who are that big with that kind of wrestling base is tough, though. I think we’ve done a pretty good job the last 10 weeks.”

In his two heavyweight losses in the UFC -- to Josh Barnett at UFC 36 and Ricco Rodriguez at UFC 39 -- Couture was finished by bigger men with strikes from the top. Lesnar, a 6-foot-3, 275-pound blend of muscle, athleticism and arrogance, had no trouble scoring takedowns against his first three opponents. As a result, Couture was forced to brace for the real possibility he might wind up on his back at some point during their match.

“I just tried to get used to the weight, especially in worst-case scenarios where I end up on the bottom,” he says. “I worked on finding ways to create scrambles and get out from under there.”

The 31-year-old Lesnar showed marked improvement in his most recent outing, as he dominated veteran Heath Herring en route to a unanimous decision victory at UFC 87. Couture, like many, views the husky heavyweight as a future champion but believes he lacks the seasoning and wisdom to reach the top in his current state.

“I think he has a pretty good wrestling base,” Couture says. “I think that gives him a lot of potential, but I don’t think he’s reaching that potential yet. He’s a pretty straight-ahead fighter. He moves well for a 275-pound guy. He likes to establish top position. I think he gets over aggressive in places. That’s what got him in trouble against Mir.”

Experience figures to play a significant role in the fight, should the tide turn in Couture’s favor. In 12 of his last 13 bouts, he has either defended or fought for a championship. Furthermore, eight of the 19 men against whom he has battled wore UFC gold at some point in their careers. He plans to test Lesnar’s resolve.

“I think I’ve worked pretty diligently over the last 12 years to make myself a well-rounded fighter,” Couture says. “You look at Brock, and he’s a big, physical guy, but he’s still just a wrestler. He’s going to try and take me down, establish that base and hit me as much as he can. I see several opportunities for me to hit him and for me to kick him. I’m kind of hoping it frustrates him, makes him kind of lose hope and lose control of his temper. He seems prone to doing that.”
 
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RANDY COUTURE: "I CAN'T WAIT FOR SATURDAY TO GET HERE"
link: http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content3785.html?PHPSESSID=f4fa234ac288b61e4233519e67d4a42e
"I feel like I am definitely peaked and ready to fight...I'm excited as hell. I can't wait for Saturday to get here. I've done my part; I've done the work and now it's just time to go out and have some fun and compete," stated UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture as he talked about his upcoming clash with Brock Lesnar this Saturday at UFC 91. Check out what he had to say about Lesnar, the fight and much more just days before their highly-anticipated clash.
 
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Couture Walks Home

LAS VEGAS –- Randy Couture spent 327 days on the outside looking in. Days usually spent sparring, grappling and strategizing were replaced with lawyers, depositions, and court dates as the runaway UFC champion attempted to free himself from a contract he felt was unfair and a promotion he believed lacked respect for him.

The hardest days were the ones where the Xtreme Couture patriarch accompanied his fighters to UFC events. And while it’s doubtful Couture regrets his decision to leave the UFC at the time –- it’s obvious both sides have learned the value of one another in their time apart –- it didn’t make those days any easier because each one reminded him what he was missing.

“It wasn’t one. It was every single one, sitting on the sidelines, being at those UFCs and sometimes feeling like a leper at some of those shows,” said Couture at a UFC 91 press conference Thursday inside the MGM Grand Hotel & Casino. “But at the same time, wanting to compete and feeling like I could still compete every single time I went to corner one of my guys. It was where I wanted to be.”

Luckily, fences were mended in enough time for the UFC Hall-of-Famer to end his career where it began. On Saturday, Couture takes his 19th walk to the Octagon for his 15th title bout, the first of three more fights he has signed on for under a renegotiated contract.

“Walking up that first time [at UFC 13] and being overwhelmed by a thousand fans that are screaming and hanging over the fence trying to grab your clothes and smack hands with you, it’s lot different now,” said Couture. “Now, I think walking in there Saturday night is going to feel a lot like walking home.”

While many things about Couture have changed over the years -- including his training habits, home base, and gym partners -- some things remain the same.

On Saturday night, Couture will be the underdog. It’s where the fans feel most comfortable with him and it’s where the four-time Olympic Greco-Roman wrestling alternate relishes in his job. On Thursday, the MGM’s Sports book had the 45-year-old at +105. That number will rise exponentially by fight time.

Opponent Brock Lesnar, who is seen as a younger, sleeker version of Couture in many ways, is the greenest fighter to ever vie for a UFC title in the Zuffa era, with only three previous fights to his name. That doesn’t mean Lesnar’s desire to win will be any fainter than Couture’s. Many recognize already that Lesnar, a NCAA wrestling champion before his brush with WWE pro wrestling stardom, has just as much potential to do great things in the Octagon like Couture already has.

“It goes back to just seeing it one time. I watched a Randy Couture fight many years ago, and here I am,” said the 31-year-old Lesnar. “There wasn’t really one specific time. I always wanted to be a fighter. I just chose a different path and took a different avenue to get here.”

UFC President Dana White said he knew Lesnar could challenge for the belt following the 270-pound wrestler’s steady three-round handling of Heath Herring last August.

“After seeing the Herring fight, a lot of people are interested in seeing if at 2-1, could this guy possibly go down as one of the greatest heavyweights ever?” said White.

And therein lies probably the biggest appeal of this main event –- getting the opportunity to watch two of the UFC’s biggest personalities pass one another as they head in different directions. Couture is at the finish line, just inches away from the ribbon, while Lesnar is poised in the starting blocks.
 
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For some reason I feel like Brock is going to lay out Randy. Lesnar is a beast, his speed for a big dude is crazy.
 

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For some reason I feel like Brock is going to lay out Randy. Lesnar is a beast, his speed for a big dude is crazy.
WHO HAS HE BEAT TO MAKE YOU FEEL THAT WAY?
LIKE I SAID BEFORE HE HAS A PUNCHERS CHANCE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT THE ONLY REASON WHY HE GETS HYPE IS CAUSE HE WAS A WWE PRODUCT. IF NOT HE WOULD BE ANOTHER UPCOMING MMA FIGHTER WITH A SHORT LIST OF FIGHTS AND A BLEMISH AGAINST FRANK MIR, WHO IS NOT EVEN COMPARABLE TO RANDY.
 

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I see everybodies reasoning for picking randy to win...especially people who've followed the sport and who train in the sport...but in reality it isn't what I've seen from brock, it's what I haven't seen from randy, yes he's a legend, but I he hasn't fought in over a year...and that was against gabe gonzaga who in all is a good fighter, but I was never impressed with him and I knew he never had a chance against randy...as for silvia, he's been exposed as a lackluster ex-champion who cannot bang with top ten heavyweights. timmy would get destroyed by brock, no questions asked. those are his last two credible wins...before his last retirement didn't he get his ass kicked by a prime chuck liddell...what has randy done in the past 2 years that warrants a top ten spot of heavyweights??? I know all about the dirty boxing, his experience, and blah, blah, but come saturday that means shit becuz I feel the door has shut on randy fighting fedor and proving fedor is the best ever...........because mark my words, BROCK LESNAR will shock the MMA world and win the heavyweight belt that only a year ago randy couture said didn't mean shit unless he was able to fight the best...don't look past brock randy, because if you did, you already lost
 

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I see everybodies reasoning for picking randy to win...especially people who've followed the sport and who train in the sport...but in reality it isn't what I've seen from brock, it's what I haven't seen from randy, yes he's a legend, but I he hasn't fought in over a year...and that was against gabe gonzaga who in all is a good fighter, but I was never impressed with him and I knew he never had a chance against randy...as for silvia, he's been exposed as a lackluster ex-champion who cannot bang with top ten heavyweights. timmy would get destroyed by brock, no questions asked. those are his last two credible wins...before his last retirement didn't he get his ass kicked by a prime chuck liddell...what has randy done in the past 2 years that warrants a top ten spot of heavyweights??? I know all about the dirty boxing, his experience, and blah, blah, but come saturday that means shit becuz I feel the door has shut on randy fighting fedor and proving fedor is the best ever...........because mark my words, BROCK LESNAR will shock the MMA world and win the heavyweight belt that only a year ago randy couture said didn't mean shit unless he was able to fight the best...don't look past brock randy, because if you did, you already lost

HOW MUCH YOU GOT ON THAT STATEMENT?
I THINK RANDY PROVES WHY HE WANTED FEDOR, AND SAID FUCK THE UFC. HE ONLY CAME BACK CAUSE IT WOULD TAKE LONGER TO SETTLE THIS THROUGH COURTS THAN GET THE FIGHTS OUT THE WAY.
I LEARNED ONE THING ABOUT RANDY COUTURE AND MAYBE I'M BIASED CAUSE I GOT TO CONVERSATE WITH DUDE, BUT NEVER COUNT RANDY OUT...
HUMPING A B LEVEL FIGHTER LIKE HEATH HERRING TO A DECISION AND GETTING SUBBED BY A GIMPY FRANK MIR DONT IMPRESS ME AT ALL.
IF LESNAR WINS MY OPINION ABOUT HIM WILL DEFINITELY CHANGE BUT TIL THEN, I THINK IM LOOKING PAST THE HYPE OF BROCK LESNAR AND PUTTING MONEY ON A ESTABLISHED FIGHTER.
 
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There's always that stigma with an older fighter though and like the saying goes "can we see him get old in one fight." There's a lot of unknowns happening in this fight and I wouldn't drop money on either .. it's too many variables and too many "what ifs".
 
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COUTURE BRINGS IN BIG BOYS TO PREPARE FOR BROCK

When MMAWeekly.com first caught up to UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture, he was seven weeks out from his fight with Brock Lesnar this Saturday at UFC 91, waiting for the big guys to arrive.

Couture had heavies Phil Friedman, Jay White, and Mike Whitehead to push around, but wanted more wrestlers that looked and moved like Lesnar.

Enter Josh Hendricks, John Juarez, and Seth Whittle, who tried to give the champ a beat down at his gym in October.

For Hendricks, a decorated wrestler with a 6’2”, 245 lb. frame, success meant eating a lot of leather during his time with Couture.

“I think I got the better of the deal with who learned the most, but Randy is extremely tough to take down, can’t be worn down, and hits hard from a lot of odd angles that you don’t see coming,” he told MMAWeekly.com. “It was no fun at all sparring with him.”

The biggest surprise for Hendricks was dealing with Couture’s speed. Watching him on TV was one thing—being in the cage was another.

”When I got right in front of him, he showed up like a cruise missle on a radar,” said Hendricks. “It’s just like, wow. Looking at it from what a camera angle would be fifteen, twenty feet away, your eyes catch up to it. When you’re standing right in front of him, it’s hard to catch up to.”

Hendricks is scheduled to face Couture’s old adversary, Gabriel Gonzaga, this Saturday at the MGM Grand.

John Juarez was invited through an affiliate Xtreme Couture gym in Florida, and says a mix-up prompted his arrival.

“I’m not a wrestler,” he admits. “I think they thought I was a wrestler when I was coming out there.”

Juarez was a dead-ringer for Lesnar’s body type, though. At 6’1” and an agile 265 lbs., he was a perfect candidate to mimic the former pro wrestler’s charging style. The hard part was getting a hold of Couture.

“His angles are a little bit different than anything I’ve experienced,” Juarez said. “Brock, he’s kind of a straight forward guy, but Randy will hit you from different angles. When we first started sparring, it was hard to figure out what he’s going to do. He’ll move constantly left to right, so nothing’s straight on with him.”

When Juarez got top position on the mat, he couldn’t keep it.

“If you start to raise up a strike on him when he’s on the ground—he’s gone,” said Juarez.

Seth Whittle, another decorated wrestler from Cal Poly University, had been in Couture’s camp for his fight with Tim Sylvia at UFC 68, and said it was completely different this time around.

“With (Sylvia) it was a long jab; a long, lanky, stand-up type of camp, versus Brock being more what I do, which is takedowns, a little bit of Greco Roman wrestling, and that ground and pound style,” he explained. “This was centered around bigger guys, carrying the weight, being able to move on the bottom and on your feet.”

If anyone was qualified to assess whether the champ had slowed down, it would be Whittle. According to him, those expecting a slower Couture will be sorely disappointed.

“I don’t see it,” said Whittle. “His work ethic is so strong, I haven’t seen him slow down. He’s got more people around to work on what he needs to work on.”

One drill, the “shark tank,” had training partners rotating in on Couture in one-minute shifts for five-minute rounds.

“It’s the same Couture,” he continued. “He comes for bear every day. He never tells you to take it easy on him. He’ll tell you, ‘If you catch me, you hit me. If I’m doing something stupid you’ve gotta to make me pay for it.’ You don’t always find that.”

Hendricks believes Couture’s experience will be the deciding factor in the fight against Lesnar.

“He’s just fighting a big strong guy who’s athletic,” Hendricks said. “What UFC fighter isn’t big and strong at heavyweight? Brock Lesnar has three MMA fights. He’s pretty green in this sport.”

Whittle agrees that Lesnar hasn’t fully matured.

“I have friends in the industry that have trained with Brock, and they say he’s making giant leaps and bounds in improvement, and he hits real hard, but I don’t think to where Randy is yet,” he said.

For Juarez, the mix-up gave way to one of the best training experiences he’d had as a relative newcomer to the sport.

“It was a team, like a big family,” he said of Xtreme Couture. “I walked in, and you’re kind of the new guy on the street, but everybody welcomed me in with open arms, (like) Josh and Seth. (Randy) always talked about his work ethic, and I think that’s why he’s so successful today. He’s got a big heart, and that’s what separates him from everybody else.”

“Fantastic is not even a good enough word for what the whole experience has been,” Hendricks concurred.
 
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Pair of 49ers predict UFC 91


There's no doubt that the UFC 91 is going to be one of the biggest events in the history of the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

The return of arguably the most popular fighter in the promotion's history coupled with the rise of one of pro wrestling's premier stars in the MMA for the company's heavyweight championship could make for pay-per-view gold.

So it's no surprise that a wide array of people are chiming in on UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture's title defense against Brock Lesnar this weekend at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, including athletes from other sports.

Members of the National Football League's San Francisco 49ers and huge MMA fans Patrick Willis and Jeff Ulbrich recently weighed in on the heavyweight clash.

"He's like a freak in wrestling," was the observation of Brock Lesnar by last year's Defensive Rookie of the Year and defensive captain Willis.

"But Randy's been doing it for a long time," he said of the three-time champ. "He's a smart guy, and I've seen it time and again in my profession, guys been playing for 14 years and you wonder how they still make blocks or maneuver like they do. They're not as fast as they once were, but they're a lot smarter and have a lot more knowledge from when they first came in."

Nine-year veteran and current special teams standout Ulbrich concurs that the fight seems to come down to Couture's smarts versus Lesnar's raw ability.

"Randy's a guy that can stick to a game plan and when things go bad, he's not going to just revert to his wrestling," he stated, "But it's one of the few times when you have a guy that's just as good, if not better, at wrestling than Randy with Brock.

"He's a powerful person, and it's hard to say it, but Lesnar's got that edge," stated Ulbrich. "Randy's so smart though, and it's hard to count him out. I know he's going to have a great gameplan and is going to go after Lesnar's weaknesses."

Again, mirroring his teammate's observation, Willis made his call for who he thinks will win the fight.

"I'm sure Randy is going to know (Lesnar's) strengths and weaknesses, and he's going to know where he can take advantage where he can," said Patrick. "I'll go with Randy."

Ulbrich concurs with his fellow linebacker in his choice for who will go home with the belt on Saturday night.

"It's going to be tough fight, and you can't count Randy," he stated. "So, I pick Randy if I had to pick somebody."

With all that's said, it's clear that not just the MMA community, but sports across the board, have their eyes firmly affixed on what could be the biggest fights of the year when Randy Couture and Brock Lesnar meet for the heavyweight title at UFC 91.