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I just joined a gym.. tryin to figure out if I should fuck with the machines or the free weights.. Im not really trying to get all big and bulky, just defined.

I know each has its advantages and disadvantages. just wondering what yall think.
 
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start off with the machines first until you get a hang of all the movements and figure out the proper form... then move to free weights so you can work out more muscles (stablizing muscles)...
 
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Psycho Logic said:
I just joined a gym.. tryin to figure out if I should fuck with the machines or the free weights.. Im not really trying to get all big and bulky, just defined.

I know each has its advantages and disadvantages. just wondering what yall think.
Well you won't get defined by just lifting weights. You will need a good ass diet. Also probably if your not looking for size, then just stick mainly to cardio.

I suggest free weights, there is more ROM and you have to stabilize your muscles manually, a machine basically takes any extra stress off other body parts, which isn't always good because in some cases those certain body parts need the strength/growth to help support the rest of the body and maintain proportion. So I always will recommend free weights, I suggest you start with light-medium weights for the first 1-2 weeks and learn how to lift with proper form. I can't stress that enough. Also learn about nutrition, and rest. Because you do not grow in the gym, working out is the easy part. Also, some exercises simply require a machine, so for the main exercises use free weights, but it's even better if you incorporate both.
 
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ComputerNerd said:
free motion machines are pretty good.....
You can only do so much with them in a gym though, it's not like they have Bow Flex in there, you know? They have the Pull Cables, which is basically the only Machines that support any freedom in the motion of the exercise. Lat Pulldowns, Tricep Pushdowns, Seated Rows, Cable Press, etc.
 
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people need to stop recomending using just machines , go here for anyone questions about weight lifting use there search engin for the articals that can help they also have a forum for beginers T-nation.com
 
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Free weights require more skill and plus u have to know what youre doing. They also give better results. Machines to me are just an easy road. Theyre safe, but at the same time...its too easy to use them and u dont get the same results from using free weights.
 

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i'm about to start getting my yolk on when i got the mini-gymnasium situated in the room upstairs....

free weights and bowflex....

can someone answer this.... how much protein/weight gain should i take? when should i take it (before or after exercising? how long before or after?) ??????!??!?!?

what exercises can you suggest to help my chest grow?
 
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SOAK::GAME said:
i'm about to start getting my yolk on when i got the mini-gymnasium situated in the room upstairs....

free weights and bowflex....

can someone answer this.... how much protein/weight gain should i take? when should i take it (before or after exercising? how long before or after?) ??????!??!?!?

what exercises can you suggest to help my chest grow?
HAHAHA bird chest. Anyway, bowflex is the shit, nothing beats resistance workouts. Protein, go to your local supplement store and pick out a product that interests you. Follow their directions. Usually, take the protein 30 minutes after your workout, that's when your muscles rest and absorb the protein, if you take it before that's just for an energy boost...
 
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Mean Mugg said:
HAHAHA bird chest. Anyway, bowflex is the shit, nothing beats resistance workouts. Protein, go to your local supplement store and pick out a product that interests you. Follow their directions. Usually, take the protein 30 minutes after your workout, that's when your muscles rest and absorb the protein, if you take it before that's just for an energy boost...

Actually it's honestly scientifically smarter to take the Protein Shake DIRECTLY after your workout, that's when it is most needed, followed by a balanced meal 30-45 minutes after.
 
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YOuNg WiNo said:
yeah protein is a source of energy if you are on a low carb diet ,go to www.t-nation.com use the search engin ,

Carbohydrates are a source of ENERGY, Protein is the only nutrient that helps build and repair muscle tissue. The only time someone should be on a low carb diet is if they are cutting up intensely, or training for a competition or something, otherwise your carbohydrates should be sufficient enough so your not starving yourself for energy.


Honestly if you want to learn the real, visit http://www.bodybuilding.com and read as many articles as you can.
 
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SOAK::GAME said:
can someone answer this.... how much protein/weight gain should i take? when should i take it (before or after exercising? how long before or after?) ??????!??!?!?

what exercises can you suggest to help my chest grow?

Flat Bench, Incline/Decline Bench, DB Flys (Laying back on the bench, shoulders elbows locked, main focus upper middle chest), dips work great (just make sure you focus on your chest and not your triceps, by leaning into them), DB Presses, etc.

Take your bodyweight and multiply it by 15-20 depending on how fast/slow your metabolism is. 15 if you have a slower metabolism and 20 if you have a faster metabolism, or atleast 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight. This will give you a good daily Protein consumption rate. For cabrohydrates, multiply your bodyweight times 2.5-3.5 and this will give you a good daily carb intake (by grams.) Or again, 2.5-3.5g of carbs per pound of bodyweight. For fats (healthy fats) you only need about .3-.4g of healthy fats per pound of bodyweight. You can achieve this through peanuts, flax seed oil, etc. Make sure if you are supplementing with a protein supplement (whey powder) to always take your shake directly after your workout (About 30g scoop) along with 75-100g of simple carbs (Gatorade), this is to refuel your glycogen stores and get a fast start of rebuilding your damaged muscle tissue. Then have a balanced meal with lots of complex carbohydrates about 45-60 minutes later. Drink a shitload of water and get lots of rest, and don't overtrain, start off with a 3 Day split (day on, day off, two days off on sat/sun).

Hope that helps.
 
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^^hey, quick question..

if you work out on the machines and you use a lot of weight, but do like 2 sets of 5 or 6 reps, will that make you a lot more swoll and bulky than if you used a little weight but did like 2-3 sets of 15-20?
 
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Mr. Samos said:
Actually it's honestly scientifically smarter to take the Protein Shake DIRECTLY after your workout, that's when it is most needed, followed by a balanced meal 30-45 minutes after.
Bad advice man.

Immediatley after your workout, you should be taking in a mixture of complex and simple CARBOHYDRATES. Some protein is O.K., but it's the carbs that are most important.

Your protein shake/meal would follow this.

Oh...and T-Nation is the best workout site out there.
 
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gimpypimp said:
Bad advice man.

Immediatley after your workout, you should be taking in a mixture of complex and simple CARBOHYDRATES. Some protein is O.K., but it's the carbs that are most important.

Your protein shake/meal would follow this.

Oh...and T-Nation is the best workout site out there.
Actually, it's not Bad Advice. If it was, I wouldn't be gaining around 25-30 lbs of muscle a year. T-Nation is the best workout site out there, to you, I've never heard of it and I just visited it and it looks useless.

http://www.bodybuilding.com

This is ONE of the best and most popular fitness sites online, they have over 10,000 articles.

"Make sure if you are supplementing with a protein supplement (whey powder) to always take your shake directly after your workout (About 30g scoop) along with 75-100g of simple carbs (Gatorade), this is to refuel your glycogen stores and get a fast start of rebuilding your damaged muscle tissue. Then have a balanced meal with lots of complex carbohydrates about 45-60 minutes later."

Read.


....Read.

These are known rules that work, hundreds of bodybuilders follow it.
 
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Psycho Logic said:
^^hey, quick question..

if you work out on the machines and you use a lot of weight, but do like 2 sets of 5 or 6 reps, will that make you a lot more swoll and bulky than if you used a little weight but did like 2-3 sets of 15-20?
With exception of Machines, because I don't prefer Machines, I train with free-weights 90% of the time. Honestly there's not that much difference. At a heavy weight with 2 Sets of 5-6 reps, that sounds like Powerlifting. Powerlifter's normally train with lower reps, heavy weights and longer rests between sets, like 1-3 minutes. They give everything they have for each set, so when they rest they really REST. A bodybuilder or someone looking to build a physique, stick mainly have a higher rep range depending on exercise, about 8-12 reps, and not as heavy weight as a powerlifter but it really depends on the person, heavy weight doesn't build muscle, it helps, but without proper form, nutrition and rest, you won't grow. A lighter weight (I won't say little.) but a lighter weight at 2-3 sets of 15-20 sounds like HIT training, with exception of the sets, 1-2 sets at 15-20 reps would be HIT training for sure. High Intensity Training, basically it's a shorter exercise (in time it takes to finish) but the entire exercise is compact with high reps and shorter rests to force the person to work in their highest intensity possible. It is basically used as a supplement from the mandatory training, to strike new muscle growth, break through plateaus, etc. The only thing that really will make you swoll and bulky is a good clean diet full of protein and carbohydrates, virgorous weight training with no cardio, and lots of rest. Also if you want to get big, don't use machines.