When will white people stop making movies like Avatar?

[n9newunsixx5150]

They're right on both accounts, obama is great in the sense that minority youth now at least feel they can be president ("the most important position in the country") one day, and hopefully they will be the "real" blacks, browns, whatever who come to rectify some of the lingering injustices present in this country/

You contradict yourself. You say that they are right on both accounts - one of which being that we will never have a "black" president - and then you proceed to say that one day we will hopefully have a real "black" president.

That aside, tell me what you think keeps Obama from being a "real black" president.

 

[Dhadnot]

You contradict yourself. You say that they are right on both accounts - one of which being that we will never have a "black" president - and then you proceed to say that one day we will hopefully have a real "black" president.

That aside, tell me what you think keeps Obama from being a "real black" president.

Let me clarify... On a superficial level young minorities' options have broadened (they can say Obama is president, he looks like me, I can be president too). Now on the level of his policies and so forth being "black" -being pro-black, pro-minority- they might not be, doesn't mean he isn't black, just means he isn't in tune with the majority of blacks... His election might influence a black man, with black interests to the president's seat.

I thought my quotation marks designated iffy cliche terms... guess not.

P.S. I don't dispute Obama's "blackness". But I don't think people are wrong when they believe that a true 100% (insert race/nationality/group/etc.) occupies two realms: the physical traits of that group, and the aims of that group.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I just think it is unrealistic for these gentlemen at the aforementioned message board to expect Black Dynamite as their president. The moral of the story is that no president is going to satisfy the aims of every single person in a large group.

 

[HERESY]

You don't know what you got 'til it's gone, as they say. I doubt that a person who is born into this "benefit" has any experience against which to assess their situation, and thus hasn't (or doesn't tend to) developed feelings of guilt on the matter. Anyone can speculate about how much worse they could have it than they do. A white person could speculate in this way. A black person could speculate in this way. But it is doubtful that many are feeling guilt for the consideration that, somewhere in history, people did bad things to other people and now they are somehow benefiting from it. Whether they ought to be feeling guilty or not is, of course, another issue.

I understand what you're saying but I'm not saying they should feel "guilt" as Neshani already said they shouldn't feel guilty. I'm asking for him to give his insight as to how they should feel.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

SO I went to this film on Saturday with my girlfriend. Without giving any of the plot away (even though it really isnt that complex), my girl told me after the movie that she found it hard to watch when the humans were forcibly taking action of the planet's indegenous people in a very aggressive way. She said she wanted to walk out of the theater.

My girlfriend is Filipino.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I understand what you're saying but I'm not saying they should feel "guilt" as Neshani already said they shouldn't feel guilty. I'm asking for him to give his insight as to how they should feel.

I see.

Now that I look back at your response to Neshani for a second time, I notice that he uses the word "wouldn't" and you use the word "should." I think I agree with Neshani that most people wouldn't (or don't tend to) feel guilty. How they should (i.e. ought to) feel, I don't know.

An aside: This discussion has reminded me of the following comedic bit:



Perhaps he secretly feels a bit guilty.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I think I agree with Neshani that most people wouldn't (or don't tend to) feel guilty.

How do you know? Feeling guilty is more subconscious than conscious. Many people have no idea they have feelings of guilt until some association is made, many times by an external source.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Then we're just playing a pointless game. I surmise that you, I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu, feel guilty, but you just don't know it yet. We can all accuse each other of this now.

Actually, when I talk about feeling guilty, I mean consciously. Perhaps subconsciously I feel guilty that I don't consciously.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Happy MLK Day, by the way. I'd feel guilty if I hadn't said that.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Then we're just playing a pointless game. I surmise that you, I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu, feel guilty, but you just don't know it yet. We can all accuse each other of this now.

Actually, when I talk about feeling guilty, I mean consciously. Perhaps subconsciously I feel guilty that I don't consciously.

Wow, really? Thats the half-assed answer I get?

Lame.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Wow, really? Thats the half-assed answer I get?

Lame.

I guess you feel you deserved more. Sorry I didn't meet your expectations.

 

[Home-E]

No, people will say awesome, finally a black person can save some other people, it's not just white people saving everyone and others are helpless.

There aren't any movies where a black person saves other people?????

 

[Dhadnot]

There aren't any movies where a black person saves other people?????

We're talking about certain kinds of movie (mainly drams, historical fictions, movies along those lines), where a defector from an aggressive group, or just a benign person from a foreign group saves a helpless group of people... not no super hero shit.

 

[MrDiamondFDC]

When the people from Nibiru come back.

 

[MaddDogg]

it's convenient for white people to play dumb and not see the devastation they've caused to people of color of the world.

You're people would have done the SAME SHIT if they had boats, guns, the wheel, and immunity to disease. Raping and pillaging is not unique to the white race, it is not inherently in a white person's character, its just fun to pretend it is.

 

[Neshani]

If a person is benefiting from shit some long dead stranger did how should they feel?

I'm not real sure how anyone should feel. I guess they should feel grateful for being born into a situation that's better than the majority of the world. What they should do is the same as everyone else. Work towards the betterment of society, help the less fortunate, and not let greed dictate their decisions.

So if your neighbor gaffled me, and hooked you up with some of my shit, and i'm doin all bad because of it, you're cold chillin on that?

If I received stolen goods and knew they belonged to you, I'd probably return them. However, I don't think your example fits the topic at hand. By receiving stolen goods I'd also be committing a crime.

If I moved into a house with some badass patio furniture in the back yard. Then I see a 1998 newspaper clipping or a flier about stolen furniture, and the furniture is yours. But you'd moved out 10 years ago and there's no way to contact you. I would use that furniture and wouldn't feel bad about it.

 

[Neshani]

There aren't any movies where a black person saves other people?????

I just saw a movie where Forrest Whitaker saved a Spanish girl from getting hit by a bus. It's confusing because she's European and he's African American. I guess he was supposed to symbolize American white people or something.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

You're people would have done the SAME SHIT if they had boats, guns, the wheel, and immunity to disease. Raping and pillaging is not unique to the white race, it is not inherently in a white person's character, its just fun to pretend it is.

co-sign

assuming that its in white peoples genes to pillage is as racialist as stereotyping a whole race based on actions that do not include the whole race.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I guess you feel you deserved more. Sorry I didn't meet your expectations.

Has nothing to do with expectations from ME, but the conversation itself. You have made a solid case, and then you drop the ball with the answer to my post. Just sayin.

 

[Dhadnot]

You're people would have done the SAME SHIT if they had boats, guns, the wheel, and immunity to disease. Raping and pillaging is not unique to the white race, it is not inherently in a white person's character, its just fun to pretend it is.

although I agree with the latter half of your statement, this the "SAME SHIT" in regards to other groups of people going after the world like the Europeans is bs.