whats with the '-american' shit?

[savage]

oh hai guys, im here to take over your land

 

[WT SAVAGE]

but this wont be mentioned in us school

 

[savage]

of course not. but they'll still celebrate thanks giving and columbus day and will give two shits about native "american" week.

 

[WT SAVAGE]

and this is why my children will never repeat " I pledge allegiance to the flag of the us of america"

 

[savage]

Just make sure they know the history of what we're living in now. And don't give them no tainted blankets!

 

[WT SAVAGE]

my 5 yo daughter already knows whats up. i will not lie to them .i have a 6 mo son and he will not be lied to during his life. im firm on my roots and will not accept these lies.my oldest already asks why she is darker.

 

[BOOBOO619]

I'm Mexican-American. Full out Mexican because of both my parents, but born and raised here on American land.


"American" is just the culture we live in as a whole.

 

[Sydal]

<------ "Cream-Pie-Giving-Italian-Irish-American"

 

[dizzlemacem]

Crop master-American....

 

[BENNY_BLANCO1]

And mexico and canada are in north america, are they american?? south AMERICA??

Saying you're American is derived from the "America" part of United States of America. When you go to Europe and you say you're American, I doubt people are gonna be like, "What part of America? Southern, Central, Northern?"

 

[Sydal]

Saying you're American is derived from the "America" part of United States of America. When you go to Europe and you say you're American, I doubt people are gonna be like, "What part of America? Southern, Central, Northern?"

They do ask that though. LOL! Every person I met in Europe asked me what part of the U.S. I was from.

 

[niguardian]

FUCK "AMERICA" IM A STOLEN AFRICAN

 

[carl winslow]

i think if you were born in america you should just say youre american..nothing else

UNLESS

you're a first generation american and your parents raised you in a home where you grew up speaking italian, spanish, german, farsi, etc., and on a regular basis ate italian, mexican, peruvian, german, middle eastern etc. dinners, and you grew up being bred by your family to root for the italy, mexico, germany etc. soccer team, and know at least 10 italian, mexican, german, afghani etc. classic songs. to me this says within your home (which is where your foundation comes from) you were basically raised by a pretty authentic foreign culture and thus would make sense for you to say i am mexican american, italian american, german american, etc. if you dont even speak the language of the second culture you try to claim....i say bullshit.....go to that country and see how well you fit in....you won't..so why claim it?

i had some girls from ireland stayiing at my house and they thought it was funny how every white person here would be like "I"M IRISH!!!" they may speak the same language but these girls agreed...95% of americans claiming to be irish-american have nothing irish about them

 

[Sydal]

i think if you were born in america you should just say youre american..nothing else

UNLESS

you're a first generation american and your parents raised you in a home where you grew up speaking italian, spanish, german, farsi, etc., and on a regular basis ate italian, mexican, peruvian, german, middle eastern etc. dinners, and you grew up being bred by your family to root for the italy, mexico, germany etc. soccer team, and know at least 10 italian, mexican, german, afghani etc. classic songs. to me this says within your home (which is where your foundation comes from) you were basically raised by a pretty authentic foreign culture and thus would make sense for you to say i am mexican american, italian american, german american, etc. if you dont even speak the language of the second culture you try to claim....i say bullshit.....go to that country and see how well you fit in....you won't..so why claim it?

i had some girls from ireland stayiing at my house and they thought it was funny how every white person here would be like "I"M IRISH!!!" they may speak the same language but these girls agreed...95% of americans claiming to be irish-american have nothing irish about them

I understand what you're saying, but have to respectfully disagree on some parts. Some people don't know anything other than the American way of life, even though their blood is from somewhere else...so I see your point there. About the first generation thing, and the language thing, I have to disagree about that. For example, a lot of Italians came over here and learned English...and did not pass the Italian language on because they wanted so badly to "blend into American society".

My grandfather was first generation in America...but he did not teach my mom or uncles Italian simply because he did not want the kids to understand what the adults were talking about at the dinner table. Other than that, mom grew up Italian as fuck. From the music, to the family gatherings, to the food. By the time I came along, the Italian side of my family was dead...except for my uncles and my mom. So I always had the food and wine around, the music, the culture...but no big family and no language. Other than that though, I was brought up to be Italian. I even have a natural skill in the kitchen, esp. when it comes to Italian dishes. Not taught, I just knew how to do it. I talk with my hands, I'm passionate...I'm just a fuckin' Italian, period...and I'm 3rd generation here...but from a very young age, I never identified with just "American". In 1st grade I asked my mom, "What am I?", and she said, "You're Italian". So, I don't have some of your qualifications, but I have never and will never say, "I'm American". I can be "Italian-American", but we never allowed ourselves to be "Americanized"...we always knew what we were and we live like it.

I mean, fuck, Bocce Ball is even a big part of my life. lol. I've met Italians that have never even played.

Then there's my Irish side, which I never really saw 'cause pops didn't really push it on us. We didn't eat Irish food, listen to Irish music, etc. etc...so I don't run around saying, "I'm Irish-American". I am part Irish, I just never grew with that though...

 

[italianstallion]

its just a way to be nice...

 

[radiostationrep]

My grandfather was first generation in America...but he did not teach my mom or uncles Italian simply because he did not want the kids to understand what the adults were talking about at the dinner table.

i hate to burst your bubble but it was socially unnacceptable to speak anything other than english during those ridiculous times. many may deny the truth.

 

[CNI]

None of this talk matters. It is an interesting convo though, but bottom line,
we`re all slave - americans.

 

[savage]

<-------<<< indigenous

 

[Sydal]

i hate to burst your bubble but it was socially unnacceptable to speak anything other than english during those ridiculous times. many may deny the truth.

No, it was not socially unacceptable to teach your kids your native language. Most children of immigrants did not speak English until they got to Kindergarten. You have to remember, most immigrants back then grew up in a neighborhood with other immigrants. Little Italy, China Town, Japan Town, etc. etc. Deli's, restaurants, markets, etc. were owned and operated by the people of those neighborhoods (and still are in most cases). So MOST OF THE TIME, people spoke their native tongue...even at work.

Some spoke English to fit in and get rid of the racial bullshit...others held on tight and said fuck it. My great grandparents were two people that gave the establishment the middle finger and embraced their heritage even more. I'm not lying or misinformed when I say my grandfather did not teach his children Italian because he didn't want them to understand some conversations. That was his real reason. He didn't give a shit about racism and what was "socially unacceptable", he grew up with it and was himself regardless.

The majority of Italians are proud people, and will not change shit for anybody. Some did, more didn't.

 

[radiostationrep]

No, it was not socially unacceptable to teach your kids your native language. Most children of immigrants did not speak English until they got to Kindergarten. You have to remember, most immigrants back then grew up in a neighborhood with other immigrants. Little Italy, China Town, Japan Town, etc. etc. Deli's, restaurants, markets, etc. were owned and operated by the people of those neighborhoods (and still are in most cases). So MOST OF THE TIME, people spoke their native tongue...even at work.

immigrants were designated to the poverty stricken areas during this time in history. they catered to one another and were segregated by "white america". They relied on one another for survival.some did stay true to their culture. it only makes sense they spoke their native tongue.

Some spoke English to fit in and get rid of the racial bullshit...

to fit in and pursue the so-called "american dream".

I'm not lying or misinformed when I say my grandfather did not teach his children Italian because he didn't want them to understand some conversations. That was his real reason. He didn't give a shit about racism and what was "socially unacceptable", he grew up with it and was himself regardless.

i'd be willing to bet your grandfather wanted a better life for his family and did what he had to. he may say that, and in no way am i knocking him, i'm just saying post wwII created the biggest change in our society. people got a taste of freedom and never looked back. coming out west was about opportunity in those days. people were proud to be americans. whether they were really mexican, italian, etc. didnt matter.