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@Vyasadeva

In *either* case, you are believing in a NEGATIVE

I made it very CLEAR...

An Atheist is NOT primarily a person who BELIEVES that a god does not exist, rather, he does NOT BELIEVE in the existence of god

I do NOT believe in a NEGATIVE. Your definitions that you provided are faulty.

You are being intellectually dishonest.

How is that?

The axiomatic truth is that negatives cannot be PROVEN. Therefore the LOGIC & REASON you use to rationalize a belief in something UNPROVEN, proves that you are relying on FAITH.

LOL. The burden of proof does not lay apon the Atheist, it lays apon the Theist. How and Why should I try to prove or disprove something which NO evidence supports its existance? How am I relying on Faith? Faith has absolutely NOTHING to do with a NON belief. To embrace faith is to abandon reason.

 

[Vyasadeva]

V: In *either* case, you are believing in a NEGATIVE

2-0: I made it very CLEAR...

An Atheist is NOT primarily a person who BELIEVES that a god does not exist, rather, he does NOT BELIEVE in the existence of god

I do NOT believe in a NEGATIVE. Your definitions that you provided are faulty.

You are talking nonsense.

If a person says "I believe in the existence of God", he is expressing a belief in the existence of God.

If a person says "I do not believe in the existence of God", he is expressing a belief in the nonexistence of God.

You have a conception of God in your mind, and you DO NOT believe it exists. Therefore what you DO BELIEVE is that there is NO God. Your actual belief is in a negative.

How is that?

By responding to things I never said.

LOL. The burden of proof does not lay apon the Atheist, it lays apon the Theist. How and Why should I try to prove or disprove something which NO evidence supports its existance?

It is not about burden of proof or what you need to prove. You are skirting the issue because you cannot defend your position.

The *FACT* is that you cannot prove a negative. SINCE you cannot PROVE a negative, your belief in the nonexistence of God is based purely on FAITH.

You have used logic and reason to come to your conclusion, but your conclusion of the nonexistence of God *REMAINS UNPROVEN*. Therefore if you believe something which is unproven, you do so in FAITH.

Your false ego is so out of control you can't even admit that you believe in something which you cannot prove. Instead, you try to play with words and say "I just DO NOT believe in God". Well, if I do not believe that a person is alive, then I DO believe that person is dead. You do not believe in God, but you DO believe that he does not exist.

That's what I mean by being humble. You don't understand God and you don't know He exists because you are too puffed up and refuse to admit that your knowledge is imperfect.

How am I relying on Faith? Faith has absolutely NOTHING to do with a NON belief.

Bullshit! If a person says "I have X in my closet", and you DO NOT believe him, your NON belief is based on faith! If you KNEW he did not have X in his closet, then you would not have to BELIEVE something one way or another. Since you do not KNOW, and since you DO NOT believe him, your NON belief is not based on FACT, it is based on FAITH.

To embrace faith is to abandon reason.

More bullshit. When a person goes to the doctor and is diagnosed for a particular affliction, the doctor prescribes a particular medicine to remedy it.

When a person takes the medicine prescribed by the doctor, they are placing their faith in his knowledge of prescribing the correct medication. They are not abandoning reason by placing faith in the doctor, the opposite is actually true because reason says that a doctor is the proper person to trust in that situation.

To pretend that reason is infallible and that one does not have faith in his reason is dishonest.

 

[Deep Thought]

Personally, I worship tha booty.

 

[XianeX]

LOL here we go again. people using bible verses to contradict each other LOL.

@Mid-E - i would say that atheism is more of a movement than a religion. most of the ones ive met chose to enlighten than proselytize.

id say in general most atheists are students because they are always in pursuit of the facts.

@20 - i hear you how the fucc can someone confuse atheism with a faith. a philosophy maybe but definitely not a faith. faith is a religious concept. LOL
@vy - i found one of my books on krsna. i thought it was one of the many books i sold. im glad i kept it. i wish i could get my copy of the rg veda bacc from an old friend.

 

[miggidy]

Religion is a common belief among people.
There for Atheism is a common belief.
A common belief equals religion.
A religion of Science? Perhaps.
What we can agree with is that Christians have a certain belief, so do Hindus, Budhist, Muslims, etc.
And the same can be said for Atheists.

 

[Vyasadeva]

@20 - i hear you how the fucc can someone confuse atheism with a faith. a philosophy maybe but definitely not a faith. faith is a religious concept. LOL

You are mistaken. Faith is *NOT* exclusive to religion. Any time a person has a belief in something which remains UNPROVEN (i.e. there is no God), they are basing their belief on FAITH, NOT on facts. They may say "Well I have seen no evidence of God".

As Carl Sagan (an ardent skeptic) said: "Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence." There is a planet floating through the universe a trillion light years away from me. Just because I do not see it, does not mean that it is not there.

Since there is no possibility of PROVING the nonexistence of God, if one believes that He is nonexistent, they believe so NOT because of irrefutable proof, but out of FAITH that their logic and reasoning process is correct in the matter.

In order to appear to not use faith, the atheist will say "I don't believe that God doesn't exist, I just don't believe in God." Six of one, half dozen of another. This is just word jugglery and does NOTHING to change the fact that what the atheist DOES believe, is in the nonexistence of God. Which is fine, we are all free to believe what we want. But, the atheist has NO PROOF to back up his belief, therefore if He continues to believe in the nonexistence of God he has FAITH that he is correct.

Instead of admit the imperfection of his speculation and admit that he relies on faith in his belief in a negative, he instead attempts to place himself ABOVE faith by saying he relies on logic and reason. But he STILL must have FAITH that his logic and reason are correct, because there is no way of verifying his belief that God is nonexistent.

I understand that many religious people never get beyond faith. That is the case because they never have direct immediate experience of God, therefore knowledge never replaces their faith. There is a difference between thinking about riding a bike and riding it. A person first must have faith that they will be able to ride the bike, but after they succeed in doing so, their FAITH is replaced by KNOWLEDGE of bike-riding.

In the atheist's case, their FAITH that there is no God will never be replaced by KNOWLEDGE of His nonexistence because proving the nonexistence of God is illogical and impossible.

@vy - i found one of my books on krsna. i thought it was one of the many books i sold. im glad i kept it. i wish i could get my copy of the rg veda bacc from an old friend.

What book is it? Yeah, the philosophy in Krsna books and the Vedas is unmatched.

 

[miggidy]

V,
Lately we've been agreeing with a lot of shit ha ha ha ha....
I just hadn't mentioned it until now.

 

[Vyasadeva]

M, yeah that is prone to happen. Hopefully no one will hold it against you.

 

[drankedout]

A common belief equals religion

No it doesnt. Just because people believe in the same thing doesnt make it a religion. Thats ludacris. If I believe there used to be dinasours and so do other people that doesnt make it a religion. If I believe in evolution and so do other people that doesnt make it a religion. If someone believes in the big bang that doesnt make a religion. If me and someone else believe in the same god that doesnt make a religion. A disbalief in a god doesnt make a religion.

A religion is living your life in a way thats grounded in your belief and in your worship.