What is it Like to Teach Black Students?

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GOD DAM THIS THREAD WENT WRONG IN A MAJOR WAY.IM GUNNA TRY TO MAKE I TO THE 408 INC FUNCTION ON SAT.BUT IM NOT TRYING TO HAVE THIS CONVO THERE.IM GUNNA TRY N RELAX AND CHILL WITH MY FRIEND'S.N LISTEN TO SOME DOPE ASS MUSIC.AND NETWORK.

 

[BIG REESE LOC1]

This thread got hella sidetracked, but anyway, I think the folks get hung up on slavery and reparations when white privilege is discussed. What I read from most of the white folks who replied in this thread was that you aint responsible for slavery, or your family wasn't even here, or that you don't want to pay for reparations, or that you didn't grow up rich because you're white and you had to work.

Obviously, today we live in a time where it's more of a class struggle than a racial struggle, it's true that there are rich Asians, blacks, and Mexicans. It's also true that there are poor whites. That being said, you cannot deny white privilege. Even if you don't think you benefit from it, it exists. B-san laid down a real solid post touching on how the black community in America has systematically been deprived of any kind of infrastructure or leadership. There has never been a systematic plan to wipe out white leaders or concentrate whites in housing projects with no access to jobs or quality education. Regardless of whether this plan is still in place today (which I believe it is) the fact of the matter is the product of that exists today. Even though a poor white may not directly benefit from this systematic destruction of the black community, the fact that the black community has been destroyed by various institutions indirectly puts the white man at an advantage, just because his people have not had to deal with that.

I can feel the Irish and Italian debates, but the fact is your skin color is white. There are no Irish/Italian projects where crack was introduced along with guns and liquor stores and Irish/Italian leaders were assassinated until they were wiped out and the youth had no forum to vent their anger. If you're of Irish/Italian descent, that means you have some kind of identity you claim. Some sort of culture, maybe language. Most black Americans don't have that, no culture, no language, no leadership, nothing. That's the privilege I see in being white. Even if you come from humble backgrounds, you are NOT the target in the American system. Until the poorer whites can come terms with this and understand that, there can really be no unity in the poor classes between black and white.

That all being said, I aint white and I aint black, but I did grow up in California and then spent a few years on the east coast where race was a big issue. I don't see why the poorer white folks can't understand what white privilege is and realize how this indirectly benefits them.

Very well said.

 

[Sydal]

This thread got hella sidetracked, but anyway, I think the folks get hung up on slavery and reparations when white privilege is discussed. What I read from most of the white folks who replied in this thread was that you aint responsible for slavery, or your family wasn't even here, or that you don't want to pay for reparations, or that you didn't grow up rich because you're white and you had to work.

Obviously, today we live in a time where it's more of a class struggle than a racial struggle, it's true that there are rich Asians, blacks, and Mexicans. It's also true that there are poor whites. That being said, you cannot deny white privilege. Even if you don't think you benefit from it, it exists. B-san laid down a real solid post touching on how the black community in America has systematically been deprived of any kind of infrastructure or leadership. There has never been a systematic plan to wipe out white leaders or concentrate whites in housing projects with no access to jobs or quality education. Regardless of whether this plan is still in place today (which I believe it is) the fact of the matter is the product of that exists today. Even though a poor white may not directly benefit from this systematic destruction of the black community, the fact that the black community has been destroyed by various institutions indirectly puts the white man at an advantage, just because his people have not had to deal with that.

I can feel the Irish and Italian debates, but the fact is your skin color is white. There are no Irish/Italian projects where crack was introduced along with guns and liquor stores and Irish/Italian leaders were assassinated until they were wiped out and the youth had no forum to vent their anger. If you're of Irish/Italian descent, that means you have some kind of identity you claim. Some sort of culture, maybe language. Most black Americans don't have that, no culture, no language, no leadership, nothing. That's the privilege I see in being white. Even if you come from humble backgrounds, you are NOT the target in the American system. Until the poorer whites can come terms with this and understand that, there can really be no unity in the poor classes between black and white.

That all being said, I aint white and I aint black, but I did grow up in California and then spent a few years on the east coast where race was a big issue. I don't see why the poorer white folks can't understand what white privilege is and realize how this indirectly benefits them.

So you consider culture/language a "privilege"? What about the broke white folks that have no culture? Or they have the "American Culture"...whatever the fuck that is. Yes, it's true that a lot of black folks don't have their original culture...I'm not denying that. However, it's also true that a lot of whites, asians, mexicans, etc. don't have their original culture either, because they are so far removed from their roots that all they know is the "American way". So, are those folks privileged?

Is there a Mexican or Vietnamese Privilege in California? Most jobs in California prefer bi-lingual employees. Bi-lingual employees also make more money from the gate...so what is that? The fact that I don't speak Spanish or Vietnamese cuts me out of a lot of opportunities....very quickly. That actually CLOSES many doors for folks like me.

I'm not saying white privilege does not exist. However, I am saying that not all white people benefit from it. There is such a thing as "the wrong kind of white". Latin whites, and whites that strayed from England (Irish, Scottish), are the worst kind of white out there. The people that believe they are "pure" are the people that run shit. If you don't believe that, look up WWII and learn how Hitler used Mussolini to handle shit in the Western part of Europe...and how his ultimate plan was to turn on Italy and take over, much like he attempted to do in France (another Latin country). Why? Because they aren't "pure".

Like I said in an earlier post...nobody will ever completely understand black or white because we don't have the ability to walk in the other pair of shoes. You can't tell me that being Italian is the same as being, say, German, English, Austrian or Swiss...you'd be lying to yourself and everybody else you debate with on the issue. Yes, our skin is white...but when it's between white people, it gets a whole lot deeper than skin tone. They don't see skin tone, they see noses, hair, eye shape, last names, etc. etc. May sound retarded to you, but it's true as fuck.

 

[BaSICCally]

I be that worst kind of white out there.

 

[MaddDogg]

I be that worst kind of white out there.

ME TOO!

 

[Neshani]

Are there "unspoken privileges" to being white. Maybe. What should whites do about it?

Should whites be expected to hang their heads in shame because of something they have no control over?

I've been all over the world since Iraq part two started up. Somehow people want to make me personally responsible for that war because I'm an American. If you left the States, some people would consider YOU responsible for the war as well. Does it sound foolish that people would hold you accountable for some bullshit done by a president you didn't even vote for? It is bullshit. That's the exact same game you're playing now.

The system is the system. It is what it is, unfair, biased, shitty, whatever. If you already know that you'll have to work twice as hard as the next guy, then you either work twice as hard, move, or get beaten by that system. Being mad, hating the guy next to you, or waiting for the system to fix itself won't get you anywhere.

I didn't like the system with Bush in charge of it so with some time and some luck I moved to a new one. You can too. The world is a big, beautiful place. Do Germans have more "unspoken privilege" than non-Germans? Maybe, but life isn't fair so I suck it up.

 

[Sydal]

Are there "unspoken privileges" to being white. Maybe. What should whites do about it?

Should whites be expected to hang their heads in shame because of something they have no control over?

I've been all over the world since Iraq part two started up. Somehow people want to make me personally responsible for that war because I'm an American. If you left the States, some people would consider YOU responsible for the war as well. Does it sound foolish that people would hold you accountable for some bullshit done by a president you didn't even vote for? It is bullshit. That's the exact same game you're playing now.

The system is the system. It is what it is, unfair, biased, shitty, whatever. If you already know that you'll have to work twice as hard as the next guy, then you either work twice as hard, move, or get beaten by that system. Being mad, hating the guy next to you, or waiting for the system to fix itself won't get you anywhere.

I didn't like the system with Bush in charge of it so with some time and some luck I moved to a new one. You can too. The world is a big, beautiful place. Do Germans have more "unspoken privilege" than non-Germans? Maybe, but life isn't fair so I suck it up.

Lovely comparison. Very well put.

 

[Likwid]

LMFAO welfare! That shit wouldn't cover my car note. You have a lot of animosity towards women. We already covered why. Have you dealt with your feelings of inadequacy yet? What bitch in her right mind would fuck with you? You have too many bitch ways. Hella suspect could never babysit the kids. Remember Likwid you talk about all of these 'black criminals' but child porn is illegal too!

Yada yada yada, I honestly wish you were a tad bit more funny. You're kind of like tweeze, not funny, but probably laugh at your own jokes, except for the fact that you bleed from your wound every month you are identical. How about you get back to work, and try not to have two more accidents, or just swallow instead! =)

 

[Likwid]

Are there "unspoken privileges" to being white. Maybe. What should whites do about it?

Should whites be expected to hang their heads in shame because of something they have no control over?

I've been all over the world since Iraq part two started up. Somehow people want to make me personally responsible for that war because I'm an American. If you left the States, some people would consider YOU responsible for the war as well. Does it sound foolish that people would hold you accountable for some bullshit done by a president you didn't even vote for? It is bullshit. That's the exact same game you're playing now.

The system is the system. It is what it is, unfair, biased, shitty, whatever. If you already know that you'll have to work twice as hard as the next guy, then you either work twice as hard, move, or get beaten by that system. Being mad, hating the guy next to you, or waiting for the system to fix itself won't get you anywhere.

I didn't like the system with Bush in charge of it so with some time and some luck I moved to a new one. You can too. The world is a big, beautiful place. Do Germans have more "unspoken privilege" than non-Germans? Maybe, but life isn't fair so I suck it up.

Bravo!

 

[carl winslow]

i didnt read it..that was the whole point, i told you i wasnt gonna read it unless you answered that. im sure you have, but really, if you didnt grow up as a black kid in a school system you have alot less say-so than i care to read about.

and i may be greedily looking at the black children in general from a first person perspective and not a second-third person perspective,not like 'i was in mcdonalds and these fuckin black kids were hella loud' , but like...grew up black type of perspective.

and that in no way degrades your intelligence, im just saying i dont think your input on black children...matters...

i could EASILY be reading this wrong.

i dont know gas. by your logic youre basically suggesting that only black people should teach black kids....i cant say i agree. if this were the case, i should only teach mexican kids? i dont think thats right. despite the fact that ive worked with black students for over 5 years (and grew up with them my whole life), my input on them doesnt matter? so does your input on mexicans not matter even though youve lived with them in otay for i dont know how long? i understand the whole you dont personally know what it is to be blank until youve walked in blank's shoes...and i agree, but i dont think you can negate close outsider perspectives

umm sure..

ok...

When I came in and lectured I wrecked shop. Kids would sit in their fuckin seats and if they didn't I'd put a dot on the chalkboard and make them touch their nose to it and stand like that the rest of the lecture. Its not difficult to teach children mentioned in the above paragraph, it takes critical character traits that many teachers lack, including, leadership, extrovert personalities, caring about the people you teach, and being confrontational.

 

[:ab:]

Is there such thing as Asian privilege?

in asian countries, yes.

 

[Gas One]

i dont know gas. by your logic youre basically suggesting that only black people should teach black kids....i cant say i agree. if this were the case, i should only teach mexican kids? i dont think thats right. despite the fact that ive worked with black students for over 5 years (and grew up with them my whole life), my input on them doesnt matter? so does your input on mexicans not matter even though youve lived with them in otay for i dont know how long? i understand the whole you dont personally know what it is to be blank until youve walked in blank's shoes...and i agree, but i dont think you can negate close outsider perspectives

I didnt say only black people should teach black kids, at any point.
what i DID say, was 'give those kids a black male, and i bet theyll listen' and then spoke of MENTORS.

give the mexican kids mentors too. shit, give the czech kids mentors.

but this threads about black students not mexican students so were talking about the topic at hand.

and no my opinion on mexican kids dosent matter. that isnt my culture. as a matter of fact, i dont even own a opinion on mexican kids. at all. what opinion should i have?

me living in otay mesa dosent mean shit really. i learned more about mexican culture in a predominately asian and black neighborhood than i did in otay mesa. this place is pretty white washed.

 

[carl winslow]

I didnt say only black people should teach black kids, at any point.
what i DID say, was 'give those kids a black male, and i bet theyll listen' and then spoke of MENTORS.

give the mexican kids mentors too. shit, give the czech kids mentors.

but this threads about black students not mexican students so were talking about the topic at hand.

and no my opinion on mexican kids dosent matter. that isnt my culture. as a matter of fact, i dont even own a opinion on mexican kids. at all. what opinion should i have?

me living in otay mesa dosent mean shit really. i learned more about mexican culture in a predominately asian and black neighborhood than i did in otay mesa. this place is pretty white washed.

i know you didnt say that, but your logic would imply it. and ive seen kids with black teachers (which could be mentors)....worked with 3 of them for years, 2 males, 1 female....and no the students did not really listen them. maybe respected a little more than they did other teachers (2 of them were really good teachers)...but still did not listen....cause the truth is that the problem with students is far beyond teachers....its societal and in the home..things that teachers can only do so much about.

and oh yeah otay mesa definitely does not really show the more "paisa" mexican culture that exists in dago, but its still a culture...and you even just gave an opinion on it by saying its "white washed"....should any of your opinions on mexican people in otay mesa be disregarded because your not mexican? i personally think as long as your observant and analytical and are to any degree immersed in the community, your opinion is very valid despite your skin color

 

[Gas One]

i dont have opinions on mexican people.

thats just........shady territory for me.

its cool if my logic implies something to you, because that implication dosent necessarily have to be true.

now i might make a joke, but the joke ends at that.

 

[Gas One]

and oh yeah otay mesa definitely does not really show the more "paisa" mexican culture that exists in dago, but its still a culture...and you even just gave an opinion on it by saying its "white washed"....

thats not an opinion.
thats fact.

im talking asian,white,black,every other race that lives in otay mesa.

same with eastlake, its white washed. thats how it is. its not a opinion bro.

shit if you wanted to call me white washed for living in this bitch myself, go for it.

 

[carl winslow]

^^^some would disagree, so i think its more of an opinion. but fair enough...i ultimately feel we're all the same, just grew up in different environments and/or raised by different cultural norms....so having an opinion on others shouldnt feel too shady

side note - those otay mesa brigadales are quite a delight

 

[Gas One]

well...i say otay mesa is white washed more or less because of pardee homes. they built houses at a 700,000 minimum speading 5 miles east...more than a thousand homes..all the natural wildlife preservations and canyons got raised and really ...at that price youre only gonna get certain people there. So otay mesa is a whole new city (if you wanna call it a city) than it was 2 years ago.

i wouldnt say chula vista is whitewashed. but those far out areas where its just big houses and nothing else? yeah....thats the best description i can give of those areas..

probably the only street in here that isnt 'gentrified' is off the 905 other than that this whole neighborhood is new houses

 

[carl winslow]

well...i say otay mesa is white washed more or less because of pardee homes. they built houses at a 700,000 minimum speading 5 miles east...more than a thousand homes..all the natural wildlife preservations and canyons got raised and really ...at that price youre only gonna get certain people there. So otay mesa is a whole new city (if you wanna call it a city) than it was 2 years ago.

i wouldnt say chula vista is whitewashed. but those far out areas where its just big houses and nothing else? yeah....thats the best description i can give of those areas..

probably the only street in here that isnt 'gentrified' is off the 905 other than that this whole neighborhood is new houses

i agree completely about otay mesa. but to call something whitewashed i think is an opinion...so they want to be white? maybe so...still think its an opinion

but yeah those homes are nice...i actually dont really like most the type of people that live out there to be honest...im sure you understand why....the girls are hot, but cant say i really enjoy much conversation with them

 

[Az-iz]

One of my biggest struggles when I design educational programs is to ensure that the instructors are culturally competent. The demographics of the youth I work with are 99.9% Mexican and Black between the ages of 18-24. They are mostly California Youth Authority babies, the others are on probation or parole. Bloods, Crips, Logan , Market, etc. Not only do I have to ensure that the teachers can get them through the curriculum but the employers have to be willing to hire them. Recently, 21 of these youth completed a NABCEP solar program, installed solar on a home, and are now working at a 240 hour internship at $10 an hour where they will be hired at $17 an hour if they show up to work and work hard. All of these youth are from different gangs. If I saw one of my educator’s show any form of ideologies like the author did he/she would be fired. My case managers are men, Black and Mexican men who come from the community and have overcome the nonsense around them. The instructors are mostly white because I am dedicated to training and placing Blacks and Mexicans in careers of the future that earn a decent wage like solar, wind, biofuel, and wastewater treatment. Out of 21 youth who started our first cycle (we are in our fifth now) 100% completed and attended every day. You should see when these kids trip the white teacher up in complex math problems and show the teacher where he fucked up . Some of them are so far behind we have to pull them. The first time I saw a blood tutoring five other crips and bloods after class it sent chills down my spine. No one told them to do that but they bought into the process.

 

[Az-iz]

Yada yada yada, I honestly wish you were a tad bit more funny. You're kind of like tweeze, not funny, but probably laugh at your own jokes, except for the fact that you bleed from your wound every month you are identical. How about you get back to work, and try not to have two more accidents, or just swallow instead! =)

No pussy again last night huh?