what does hip-hop mean to you

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he common definition of what, if hip-hop were a culture, it would be comprised of is the problem. the 4 elements or whatever the fuck people tell themselves hip-hop is is a idiotic concept.

hip-hop as a culture, as defined by a handful of rappers, breakdancers and DJs in the 80s is not a representation of the true hip-hop culture. the attempt at standardization is a failure. if hip-hop is possible to define as a culture, and if their definition is the standard for what hip-hop is and HAS to be then hip-hop is not a culture.

the 4 elements bullshit is more like a cult that has no followers.
yeah, I somewhat agree with that but at least at its begining it was a movement that mimicked a cultural movement in that it had somewhat a mindstate a way of being, its own dance, visual art, speech, music, area, etc.

Hip hop was first coined by afrika bambatta when he was being interviewed about the parties in the bronx with fools b-boyinh, djing, the graff writers hangin out etc.
But what is hip hop to you? just fools rappin about positive shit.
 
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that's what hip hop means to a lot of people, backpack rapping and all that.

Old school hip hop was more socially conscious for sure. I don't know what these new dudes are doing. It's trash. People were taking responsibility with their commentary of what they saw in inner city life with hip hop back in the day but of course there was the party element of it too that started it all. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five gave a more gritty edge to being socially conscious which was dope too. NWA talked about what they were seeing in their hood. Less socially conscious so to speak but it was something that needed to be done.

I love the different forms of expression but the incessant talks about killing and selling drugs (which likely isn't happening anyways) is played out to me. Beyond that, talking about money, cars, and women you don't have is even more played out. I'm 29 years old and I like hearing dudes be creative and socially conscious. Not necessarly all positive lyrics, you can be socially conscious without sounding like you're preaching at someone, much like Nas did with his first album. Social commentary is still fresh and dope but hip hop is lacking quality writers these days
 
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hip-hop to me is music that fits the technical signatures and criteria of the genre the term describes.

and researching the origins of hip-hop culture leads back to one person saying it's a culture.

so i'm going to just say it right now, siccness is a culture. everyone that participates on the siccness is a part of this siccness culture. it has two elements, AREOLAS BREH and HUMAN ASS DOG. now you're all a part of a culture, pat yourselves on the back.
 
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hip-hop to me is music that fits the technical signatures and criteria of the genre the term describes.

and researching the origins of hip-hop culture leads back to one person saying it's a culture.

so i'm going to just say it right now, siccness is a culture. everyone that participates on the siccness is a part of this siccness culture. it has two elements, AREOLAS BREH and HUMAN ASS DOG. now you're all a part of a culture, pat yourselves on the back.
so give me some examples of what hiphop is (songs artist who make hip hop songs). Afrika bambatta coined the term and a lot more people ran with it, but so what, by your logic culture doesn't exist.
 
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eric b and rakim. now we're really taking it back to when hip-hop wasn't about money and clothes, huh.
It wasn't until Def Jam (Run DMC, LL Cool J, Beasties) that the clothes and jewelry became as much a part of the act as the lyrics did. It became all about looking as fresh as can be. I'm sure it probably started before that but that's when it went really mainstream and them every rapper was stuntin on dudes there on til the early 90's for the most part
 
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afrikaa bambataa: hip-hop
slug: hip-hop
lil b: hip-hop
vanilla ice: hip-hop
tony francis cardassius: hip-hop
pimp c: hip-hop
fergie: hip-hop
dmx: hip-hop
miami the most: hip-hop
a-wax: hip-hop
ap-9: hip-hop
sage francis: hip-hop
kevin federline: hip-hop
mc hammer: hip-hop
eminem: hip-hop
50 cent: hip-hop
gucci mane: hip-hop
coolio da undadogg: hip-hop
bavgate: hip-hop

it's a genre a music. beats and raps.
 
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look being fresh has been apart of black and latin culture for a long time so why wouldn't be on the mind of the poor black and latins involved in hip hop's early stages? Like I said a lot of the fools who went into hip hop were gang members so hip hop is more of bringing together the qualities of the ghetto and aiming them for positivity. instead of getting your shines by stickin someone up come wit a fresh pair of sneaks you designed or whatever, or come to the party stunat and dance and be happy. Instead of trying to kill, beat, maim another gangster, come rock off against one another at the b-boy battle.

Being fresh, havin things, havin a good time, gettin girls, boastin about yourself has always been apart of hip hop but boastin about sellin dope and killin fools, disrespecting women outright and shit...nah, that's that gangster influence takin over the hip hop's intentions.
 
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afrikaa bambataa: hip-hop
slug: hip-hop
lil b: hip-hop
vanilla ice: hip-hop
tony francis cardassius: hip-hop
pimp c: hip-hop
fergie: hip-hop
dmx: hip-hop
miami the most: hip-hop
a-wax: hip-hop
ap-9: hip-hop
sage francis: hip-hop
kevin federline: hip-hop
mc hammer: hip-hop
eminem: hip-hop
50 cent: hip-hop
gucci mane: hip-hop
coolio da undadogg: hip-hop
bavgate: hip-hop

it's a genre a music. beats and raps.
I agree, but it's also a culture if not then what is Djing? First came djing with limited Mcing, and Mc's not even really rappin. So if we just play beats with no rappin that's hip hop to you? If the music woulda just continued with Dj's playing shit and repeating the break beat for breakers you would call that hip hop?
 
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hip-hop has no intentions. it's an inanimate concept. beats and raps reflect the intent and viewpoint of the person making it and no one else. it's an artform, not a culture.


a turntablist dj is a hip-hop artist.
 
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Being fresh, havin things, havin a good time, gettin girls, boastin about yourself has always been apart of hip hop but boastin about sellin dope and killin fools, disrespecting women outright and shit...nah, that's that gangster influence takin over the hip hop's intentions.
by your definition this song's only half hip-hop. lol.



that's why definitions are stupid.

someone can feel like making a song about raping their own mother and then 20 min later get in the booth and make a song about positivity and treating women with respect. it's an artist's discretion to say what they want and feel like saying. shit they can say it all, the whole spectrum of human emotion on one song if they want. it's still all hip-hop.
 
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/culture

2. the total range of activities and ideas of a group of people with shared traditions, which are transmitted and reinforced by members of the group: the Mayan culture
3. a particular civilization at a particular period
4. the artistic and social pursuits, expression, and tastes valued by a society or class, as in the arts, manners, dress, etc

Shits a culture or cultural movement
 
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/culture

2. the total range of activities and ideas of a group of people with shared traditions, which are transmitted and reinforced by members of the group: the Mayan culture
3. a particular civilization at a particular period
4. the artistic and social pursuits, expression, and tastes valued by a society or class, as in the arts, manners, dress, etc

Shits a culture or cultural movement
but is the culture defined as "4 ELEMENTS GRAFFITI RAPPING DJING PRAYING TO KRS ONE AND NOT EVER WANTING TO MAKE MONEY OR WEAR GOLD" or is it a looser definition of culture that could just as readily be applied to emo music or remote control helicopter enthusiasts?

hint: it's the second one.
 
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by your definition this song's only half hip-hop. lol.



that's why definitions are stupid.
how so? If you rap you're a hip hop artist, your beliefs represented in your songs may not be hip hop though. It's like skinhead punk, the music technically is punk rock, the beliefs aren't though. WHy you so mad at hip hop though lol?
 
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but is the culture defined as "4 ELEMENTS GRAFFITI RAPPING DJING PRAYING TO KRS ONE AND NOT EVER WANTING TO MAKE MONEY OR WEAR GOLD" or is it a looser definition of culture that could just as readily be applied to emo music or remote control helicopter enthusiasts?

hint: it's the second one.
see you got me fuck up you think I'm on some stereotypical shit like only if you fuck with that boom bap, spin on your back, are you true hip hop shit....nah, I'm just saying that hip hop is a culture.
 
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hip-hop as a culture, as defined by a handful of rappers, breakdancers and DJs in the 80s is not a representation of the true hip-hop culture. the attempt at standardization is a failure. if hip-hop is possible to define as a culture, and if their definition is the standard for what hip-hop is and HAS to be then hip-hop is not a culture.
so you in 2011 are saying that those cats in the early 80's that started hip hop, are not a representation of hip hop?

and the reason why hip hop HAS to be defined constantly is cus people like you who have no idea what they are talking about. if people would quit thinkin hip hop is some cat in new york rhymin over drums and no melody then there would be no need to define what hip hop is.

the attempt to standardize is a failure cus the media catergorized gangsta rap.