What do you think Prison does to people?

[KleanKut]

So are you saying minorities are worse people than whites so that's why they kill more people and it should just be accepted like that? It's about the situations the people are put in, and since there are more white's with wealth and they get better public schools and usually further education, well minorities get put in different situations and react differently. Whites aren't any better than anyone, it's just that more of them get a good education and get more opportunities due to the system and how it's set up.

First off 80% of your post is fucking bull shit. I went to school where the whites were the minorities, i have been arreasted, and now i am in the US Army and in Iraq, also i am working on my Poli-Sci major at CSU Chico when im not over here. I am going to law school after that. So apparantly white kids dont get "better schools"

Dont give me that products of your envornment bull shit.

First, my fathers dad abandonded him and my grandmother when he was like 2, and my grandmother bagged grocerys for a living, yet my father made it though vietnam and college and made something of himself.

second, My mother died when i was 13 and father had to work all the time to pick up the void in her end of the money for bills, so i also had school and look after my little brother. Fact of the matter is i have had a job since i was 15 and decided i wanted to make somethign of myself. So dont give me that "poo minority cant escape falling into a life of cirme" bull shit.

So stop plaing the bullshit "poor black/mexican/asian kid" card, you put yor whole race down when u lump them in with lazy piles of shit who CHOOSE to sell crack and collect a wellfare check.

 

[Rob S4]

Im sure your 2 months at lorian was hell. You already got snitch genetics in your family, why dont you go burglarize the bookstore at your college and do another 2 months.


Keep bangin fahrenhiet you fruit Cake.

Who are you and who said you could talk to me. Go drink your Olde E and shut your ass up. No one cares what you think. Another cat who should be the poster child for abortion. Learn how to spell as well. I swear these new kids think they can come at vets like they know them. Get lost kid you do not belong here.

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

you're not a vet

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

REHABILITATION wasn't even in the vocabulary of the judicial system until the 90s... it is a very progressive and liberal thought within the judicial system and has VERY LITTLE thought given to it in any case except that of juveniles and I will explain why....

The whole purpose of the judicial system is to make sure the government decides the laws of the land and also ensure that the citizens don't take the law into their own hands... we don't want the man who's daughter was raped to take it upon himself to kill not only the rapist but the rapist's family as revenge. The deciding factor of ANY sentencing given to any criminal lands under two categories.... keeping society/victims content and ultimately enforcing the laws of the government.... it has NEVER been about the criminal, the criminal isn't even given any thought to in all of this, the criminal is a tool of retribution. In any hearing this is the case..... if a murderer is put on death row it is to insure the victim's family retribution so that they can be content... if a drug dealer is given a long sentence it is because the government is tired of losing billions of dollars because of drug trafficking.... if a juvenile is sent to a "program" instead of juvenile hall it is because society wants to believe youngsters can change and should be given a second chance. Never has it EVER been about the criminal... only recently has REHABILITATION been given any thought to.. why? because society has recently become concerned with it.

Prisoners have always complained about living conditions but nobody ever gave a fuck until recently and now prisoners are starting to think that it's about rehabilitation... if you're a prisoner you are the LAST concern of the judicial system, understand that. REHABILITATION has never been a concern of the judicial or correctional system... it has only been a concern of society.

 

[EDJ]

^gOOD POINT,

LOL@OLDE ENgLISH 800.

ROBS4,
REALITY IS NEgATIVE. IN REgARDS TO THAT, YOU KNOW I KEEPS IT REAL. SO WHY DON'T YOU INSTEAD OF STRETCHIN' IT? WHY YOU THINK MUTHA-FUKAS IS COMIN' AT YOU THE WAY THEY ARE?

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

First off 80% of your post is fucking bull shit. I went to school where the whites were the minorities, i have been arreasted, and now i am in the US Army and in Iraq, also i am working on my Poli-Sci major at CSU Chico when im not over here. I am going to law school after that. So apparantly white kids dont get "better schools"

Dont give me that products of your envornment bull shit.

First, my fathers dad abandonded him and my grandmother when he was like 2, and my grandmother bagged grocerys for a living, yet my father made it though vietnam and college and made something of himself.

second, My mother died when i was 13 and father had to work all the time to pick up the void in her end of the money for bills, so i also had school and look after my little brother. Fact of the matter is i have had a job since i was 15 and decided i wanted to make somethign of myself. So dont give me that "poo minority cant escape falling into a life of cirme" bull shit.

So stop plaing the bullshit "poor black/mexican/asian kid" card, you put yor whole race down when u lump them in with lazy piles of shit who CHOOSE to sell crack and collect a wellfare check.

Alright man, good for your parents/grandparents and you for doing what you all did. But don't tell me you are the same as me. Get the fuck outta here with thinking that everyone has the same shot as a white male. Everyone is different and is in different situations. Shit, my parents didn't know the fuckin language of this country and they are now buying a home through hard work and have a kid in college(me) and are about to put my little sister through college. Of course it can be done. But don't tell me that it was just as easy for us to do as a white family who's been here for generations already. And what the fuck does you beeing arrested have to do with anything I said. And how does the environment you grow up in not affect how you become? You're saying that a kid growing up in Beverly Hills has the same upbringing as a kid in East LA? I mean, definetely props to you for overcoming what you did with college and everything else. But don't think that everyone in this country is the same because it's not that way.

 

[KleanKut]

Alright man, good for your parents/grandparents and you for doing what you all did. But don't tell me you are the same as me. Get the fuck outta here with thinking that everyone has the same shot as a white male. Everyone is different and is in different situations. Shit, my parents didn't know the fuckin language of this country and they are now buying a home through hard work and have a kid in college(me) and are about to put my little sister through college. Of course it can be done. But don't tell me that it was just as easy for us to do as a white family who's been here for generations already. And what the fuck does you beeing arrested have to do with anything I said. And how does the environment you grow up in not affect how you become? You're saying that a kid growing up in Beverly Hills has the same upbringing as a kid in East LA? I mean, definetely props to you for overcoming what you did with college and everything else. But don't think that everyone in this country is the same because it's not that way.

right but it still comes down to personal motivation, responsibilty and asperation to be better then your parents. We get free school K-12. Finacial Aid and grants for college (the army and finacial aid is paying my way) That leaves plenty of time for college and a job to pay rent and bills. It can be done, its all what a person is made out of. The only diffrence is the rich kids who are lazy bums and dont want to apply themselfs will still be rich dumb adults. Poor ones will be poor dumb adults. Its up to the person to make something of themselfs. All the tools are laied out. Just a matter of picking them up and using them.

 

[Merciedez]

It not up to each individual...when you consider the fact that society makes you beg to get a jobs you don't want. Someone in Job Land is always saying you are not qualified or you don't fit in with our companies/society. the hardwork you laid....still doesn't give you guranteee in comparison to a rich person. Is that fair? The root of this arguement is ..... Being poor you don't have the same possibilities as a rich person. Rich people don't support for equal education for the poor. why is that? While they have the privilege to have the best teachers the best food and the best facilities at every moment of their lives without their parents working sewage lines, farming the fields, and worrying if they'll have a job tomorrow is the differences as to what percentage of success there are in poor areas.

The tools maybe there, but their hung on by a rich person tool shop...you might ask if you can borrow it for a while.

 

[suspect#1]

^^^anyone can go to college and get training...the money is there for you....do like the asians....work full time and go to school full time, yea its hard work but in the end it pays off...most people just accept their circumstances and dont strive for more...if you got the right training you can get the good jobs...i use to have this mentality where i was like fuck it, im not gonna work no 9-5 for minimum wage..then i realized that everyone has to start off there, unless they are privlaged...you got to work for what you want...climb the ladder to more wages through education and skills

 

[Merciedez]

Come on....do you think all these people don't work hard? What makes anyone of us judge a person's personal hardships to their own lives....You one of those people that like to judge people, and make up rumors about lazy people....who are the lazy people you are talking about? Everyone get's lazy, if you haven't notice. Every person i know work (mentally push themselve to stick it out for the money to buy food pay rent, maybe get a nice dinner) Some people don't even think about themselve they think of other first before they could even work on getting that education people should be working so hard for. Let's see feed my kids this year or go get an education.....mmmm what should this person do?

 

[suspect#1]

^^im not calling anyone lazy...thats like calling the kettle black, you dig?

i just think it all boils down to how much effort you put into it....

you can feed your family and pursue an education at the same time....work during the day, and get your training at night....or vice versa...sometimes, maybe its impossible...but if you have a good family unit then you should be able to accomplish those things...my girlfriend just got her nursing degree in 2 years, while she worked full time as did i....she was on the go about 14 hours a day...i would take teh kids to daycare in the morning (which was paid for by the state), then pick them up after work...while she worked and went to school all day and evening (which was paid for by the government)....we were living in pretty much poverty level for years, now she is amking great money, and im going to go to school now and the roles will be reversed....she almost gave up hella times but she preservered and made it....were talking a women who only had mcdonalds and wal mart skills for about 7 years...high school dropout....i dont really see any kind of excuses, there is soooo much government funding that will help you gain teh skills you need to enter teh workforce and make competing wages...you gotta use that shit to your advantage

 

[Merciedez]

I don't want to put down the hard work you and girl's family went through. That's great, but in our current governement system...the assisting program is not enough for eveyone, especially to those who need it. IF they were just giving it away we would not have this conversation. There are lines and waiting list to get government funding. Everyone applying really need it. Some states have waiting period almost 2years to get any government assistance.

Life is pretty hard on the relationship having to go through what you needed to go through, right? Scrounging and making ends meet....if you didn't have to do all that and still have a great education in the process, it would have been much easier mentally and emotionally. Rich people do it all the time. That's where fairness come along.

We all understand we have to work hard at somethings....but our current system is not set-up to support everyone's capabilities to do their job....that's why we have terrible education, poverty, a huge gap between the rich and everyone else below them. Yes, there's a few that reaches the sky, the million who don't are still trying to squeeze through the same inch hole.

 

[suspect#1]

^^^yea your right homie....but most of us arent rich, i see the rich as a minority in this countrie...i ahvent had much dealings with them...

and i dont know how it is in other states, but in washington i personally havent met anyone who had to wait 2 years for a school grant, wether it was a loan, or just federal aid...so that sucks if where you at is like that...

but on the otherhand...i have known many many people who got grants and went to school and worked but it was just to much for them and they gave up....undertandable...its hard work...it takes a huge emotional drain on you...scraping by is hard...but my family personaly, we would have been scraping by anyways, so it was just a light at the end of teh tunnel....and by far it was the most rewardable tribulation i have been through...we just decided to take control of our future and stop complaining and being mad at the system, and decided that no one was gonna help us so we had to help ourselves...but i understand its not like that for everyone, people all have their own obstacles they face...wether its of their own doing, or forced circumstances...so i will in no way speak on anyones elses life....if i come across old friends that are in shtty situations i just give them advice and let them make their own choices....

but i agree with what you was saying....

im not striving for the sky, just enough to live comfortable, i consider myself lucky i was able to squeeze through teh same inch hole....

much love....outro

 

[Merciedez]

right back at yah...enjoy life when you can...it can always get better...flip your attitute just like what you did.

 

[Olde English800]

I swear these new kids think they can come at vets like they know them. Get lost kid you do not belong here.

You must be talkin about your faggit ass goin to veternarian school.

 

[Hutch]

It's good to see that he's viewed his time in prison in a positive light, a real example of rehabilitation at work. Sometimes people get themselves into so much shit that they lose control of their lives - I suppose prison has the ability to reset the clock (to an extent), and give a person a new perspective on life and what it actually means to be alive. And as your homie said - not only does prison provide discipline, but it can also provide guideance - everyone needs someone to answer to, and if prison can act as that big brother, then it's done it's job better than the system was designed to do in the first place. Hope your homie gets back on his feet quick, and as a friend, I hope you do all that you can to make sure he doesn't land in the shit again.

 

[m.w.merlino]

right but it still comes down to personal motivation, responsibilty and asperation to be better then your parents.

EXACTLY

And it seems like through all this you have a pretty solid father figure who gave you expectations to live up to. Apparently you and your father saw the importance of making those decisions to catch the "American Dream" and succeed through the military and school. Instead of putting others down for not having what you have or (believe it or not) having a WORSE time growing up then you should understand that in your situation, being a product of the environment YOU were subjected to only propelled you to do what YOU thought was right.

Everything isn't so black and white, your family doesn't seem to come from a long line of personal failure, which is what usually propells this continous cycle of social inequality.

 

[Rob S4]

You must be talkin about your faggit ass goin to veternarian school.

Iam not going to waste my time. So say whatever you want. Its all just yada yada yada.

 

[Jae iLL]

It's good to see that he's viewed his time in prison in a positive light, a real example of rehabilitation at work. Sometimes people get themselves into so much shit that they lose control of their lives - I suppose prison has the ability to reset the clock (to an extent), and give a person a new perspective on life and what it actually means to be alive. And as your homie said - not only does prison provide discipline, but it can also provide guideance - everyone needs someone to answer to, and if prison can act as that big brother, then it's done it's job better than the system was designed to do in the first place. Hope your homie gets back on his feet quick, and as a friend, I hope you do all that you can to make sure he doesn't land in the shit again.

Yea, but then you're the slave to your PO. He has to know where you live, you hafta work a certiain job for a certain amount of time, after that you're still an ex-felon trynna get a job. You're a slave to your boss, any kind of fuck up and you're goin right back to lock up. You don't even got to fuck up, just as long as the pigs or your PO THINKS you fucked up you can be locked up. You can be searched whenever they feel like it, and then get locked up. The system works outside of the walls too

 

[EDJ]

^SPEAK FACTS THEN PLAYA.