What do you think Prison does to people?

[KleanKut]

hah just cuz i listen to country doenst mean im a redneck, i moslty listen to underground rap and heavy metal. 15 year olds can be sent to prison for life if they knew whgat they were doing and they commited a terrible act, like murder. yeah our system is pretty liberal in a lot of aspects. However it is also ass backwards. Murderers get off in parole meanwhile non-violent drug offenders are serving longer sentances then them. One of the few topics i will aggree with on the left is that the drug war is bullshit. I have to use my hard earned money, to house up a bunch of junkies.

@Kryptic no i dont label everything liberal, however thats the ideals that 85%+ of the board has, so the word does come up a lot in my posts.

 

[Rob S4]

Prison will either teach you a lesson, or it will make you more hateful.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@2-0-Sixx - I don't fully understand how the government prospers from people in jail...could you help me out?

There is a good book called How America Profits from Crime which really gets into the details.

The book illustrates how crime hasn’t really gone up or down in the past 20 years, for the most part it’s remained stable, yet our prison population continues to grow each year. It gets into how prisons are more and more privatized and it’s a business, a huge money machine. Think of a simple example- you get busted for drugs, you have to go to rehab ($$$), pay fines ($$$), get busted again and more fines more rehab, go to jail more $$$. If you’re in prison it is a form of slavery, especially slave labor, paying people literarily cents per hour. The author also talks about the “prisonization” effect and argues that the very nature of the prison, the brutality of it all almost guarantees the prisoners return if he/she is ever allowed out (over 75% of imamates will return to prison).

 

[Merciedez]

So, since we all pretty much agree in one way or another that jail doesn't help everyone (or in some of your opinions anyone)........

What's a good alternative?

The very violent, rapist, molesters should have their own hospital (a university setting)…not prisons….a place where they can learn and understand their mental disorders without the distraction of other mental disorders and fears of the old “system”. They must be given the same living conditions as a free man, but with restriction to the public.

Within those “universities” socialist, psychologist, and future service providers who wish to support and study these mental behaviors can go to that facility to seek and study each disorder and develop better rehabilitations processes. The people and patients must understand it’s a mental & physical disorder not a personal creation to think, believe, and act on the disorder. Prisons do not have a national rehabilitation program for each disorder. Lumping every disorder into one building and hoping they’ll kill one another so society isn’t bothered by them, is not an alternative to bettering their lives or ours. Like with any mental program provided by rich relatives the conditions they seek for the same "crime" have been vigorously studied in developing high standards of care and treatment as should be for the same person with the same "disorders."

Some gangs with their families should be given the opportunity to move to a new locations away from their original environments and destructive influences …with monitoring conditions by friends and family. By placing them in better living condition with their families for 3-5years (depending on severity of the crimes committed), they’ll be able to focus, heal, and seek alternative path to a new life for themselves. A national agreement to gangs to end the violence for the same living conditions as a free man, might even help the situation.

Any form of stealing derive from a personal needs to have a certain product….so you give it to them or find ways to discount the same product, no generics…who the fuck wants a generic product? It forces society to share the wealth and eliminate greed.

Many minors committing crimes should stick to parental, relative, friends, or neighborhood character watch. Force each child’s community to decide the fate of their children. No courts no police No Jail. People love not to care for other people, so society has created militant babysitters who do not have any education or background to take care of them. The people who grew-up and know the kids can watch him/her….The children in your neighborhoods are a product of your neighborhood, so if children have a problems the whole neighborhood has an even bigger problem. Go to the source of the product not the product. Society must get over having “personal space – being a hermit” a community doesn’t work that way. You must contribute to all freedoms as everyone else.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

So, since we all pretty much agree in one way or another that jail doesn't help everyone (or in some of your opinions anyone)........

What's a good alternative?

A good alternative is to start working on it from the very bottom. Go to poor neighborhoods and start there. Give people choices other than the crime life. Show people they aren't made for just being criminals. The truth is, without those neighborhoods producing criminals, this system couldn't exist. It needs to feed off of people doing crime and the people doing crime are minorities. Not because we are a worse people, but because of the way we grow up and our environment. So, if the government really cared about crime that much, they would start with the poor neighborhoods and make them better. But, like I said, the government needs that type of thing to continue.

 

[Merciedez]

you need to do both....healthing the past and improving our future. Of course its easier said than, but what do get from saying anything like that? Nothing. We need to stop think it should be easy...life is fucking hard, so get over it. It take some cooperation and fearless physical action. Words will always be just words without communication and action.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

The very violent, rapist, molesters should have their own hospital (a university setting)…not prisons….a place where they can learn and understand their mental disorders without the distraction of other mental disorders and fears of the old “system”. They must be given the same living conditions as a free man, but with restriction to the public.

Within those “universities” socialist, psychologist, and future service providers who wish to support and study these mental behaviors can go to that facility to seek and study each disorder and develop better rehabilitations processes. The people and patients must understand it’s a mental & physical disorder not a personal creation to think, believe, and act on the disorder. Prisons do not have a national rehabilitation program for each disorder. Lumping every disorder into one building and hoping they’ll kill one another so society isn’t bothered by them, is not an alternative to bettering their lives or ours. Like with any mental program provided by rich relatives the conditions they seek for the same "crime" have been vigorously studied in developing high standards of care and treatment as should be for the same person with the same "disorders."

what the fuck is wrong with u

 

[Merciedez]

Humans react differently from other people at all time. What you do or think can differ within a moment of a conversation or a situation. The general prisons have environmental problems as well as mental and physical problems in their past to the present. We understand the link between the brain from the mechanics of the body may differ in intension. When you dismiss these facts from the overall crime, you generalize the criminal populations. Each crime is unique, it is our understanding no crime is the same, due to the people involved and the opinions created in the defense and DA. You find yourself unique, right.

Ok, so let’s ask…..have you every thought of killing someone? Have you been so angry you couldn’t control the situation? There is a problem in the mental minds of humans….In our life time not one person will stay the same. Crimes are made at any age of a human’s life span without prior criminal acts. We have also not provided a comprehensive study of severe crimes because of prisons restrictions. Until we can fully integrate the prison population to open up their minds to the public will we identify the majority of crimes have a human factor of failure to control ones emotion, not so much the fault of the person.

I know people are going to hate the fact that a friend or relative dies because of a person, but the same situation lies in the act of war the cause and affects to what the intensions are to situation. If you believe in the reasons that its America whose cause the bombing, then the human mind is easily influence by the situation, a very unique reason to kill. We want to stands by humanity, but we fail to except our human faults and failures in the process.

When I was little it took a mistake to learn a lesson and move forward to being a beter person….i’m not saying everyone should be able to kill one time, but the studies show the general killings happen due to the set-up of the situation, individual environments, and the mental and physical disorders of the persons involved. If you believe in rehabilitation then you must also believe the need to provide a better environment for the persons in prison.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

im talkin about molesters , they need don't need to be study they need to be locked up and have no choice of going to pc.u see i only quoted that part ?

quit tryin to sound deep

 

[Viet Loc]

be a good parent.....keep your kids out of jail

 

[EDJ]

ROBS4,
I COOULD EASILY SAY THAT I WON'T VALIDATE YOUR ANSWER WITH A RESPONSE CAUSE YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR IgNORANCE AND SENSE OF FAKENESS BEFORE SO I SHALL PROVE MY POINTS.

YOU STRESSED, "Doubt whatever you want kid."

KID? THERE YOU gO WITH THAT BULLSHIT SLANgUAgE. HOW OLD IS YOU NOW? AND THAT'S HOW THEY TALK IN POMPEII(WHEREVA THE FUK THAT IS)?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Keep your dumb thoughts to yourself."

THAT'S YOUR OPINION, JUST LIKE YOU OVER-USIN' YOUR PRE-DOMINANT EASTCOAST SLANg. DON'T MAKE IT TRUE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I can tell your one of those ignorant cats that thinks gangbanging is still cool."

gANgBANgIN' IS "COOL DUDE. LET ME CATCH A WAVE." LOL. MISS ME WITH ALL THAT BULLSHIT. THIS BANgIN' SHIT IS REAL. LOOK AT MY SIgNATURE. THAT'S A TRIBUTE TO MY BROTHA(R.I.P O.g L.E.D) WHO I LOST TO THIS BANgIN' SHIT. I DONE PAID THE PRICES AND STILL PAYIN' THEM FOR THIS gANg SHIT. THIS SHIT IS NO JOKE. THIS SHIT AIN'T NO TREND. I MADE MY PLEDgE AND STILL HAVE TO UPHOLD IT, WHETHA I LIKE IT OR NOT. IT'S FO' LIFE. I DONE EARNED MY STRIPES. I AIN'T gOT SHIT TO PROVE. TO YOU IT MIgHT BE A FAD OR SOMETHIN' CONNECTED TO THE MUSIC YOU CHOOSE TO PIK UP, BUT THIS SHIT IS REAL FOR ME.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Your probably 30 with a rap career that will never happen."

LOL. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU BELIEVE WITH YOUR HATIN' COMMENTS. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT. ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE DISCOURAgIN' ME?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It was a prison and I was in the county jail to."

THEN WHAT'S YOUR INMATE NUMBER AND HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU DO EACH TIME YOU WENT TO PRISON? WHAT WAS YOUR CHARgES FOR EACH TIME YOU WENT AND WHAT WAS YOUR CONVICTION? HOW LONg WERE YOU IN THE COUNTY AWAITIN' TRIAL AND AFTER YOU gOT SENTENCED EACH AND EVERY TIME? HOW LONg DID IT TAKE DOC TO COME gET YOU? WHAT CLASS PRISON WHERE YOU IN EACH TIME YOU WENT(IN OTHA WORDS WHAT WAS THE SECURITY LEVEL YOU WERE CLASSIFIED UNDA EACH TIME DOC DIAgNOSED YOU? DID YOU KILL YOUR NUMBER OR WERE YOU PAROLED? HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU FIRST gOT CAUgHT UP AND HOW OLD ARE YOU NOW? SO WHY WEREN'T YOU HIT WITH THE 3 STRIKES LAW?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Keep your mouth closed you dont know shit about me."

PLEASE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I KNOW. AND I KNOW YOU AIN'T gONNA BE gOIN' TO PRISON THREE TIMES AND STILL BE OUT HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT. IF YOU EVA DID gO TO PRISON IT MUST OF BEEN ON ONE CHARgE AND YOU KEPT FUCCIN' UP YOUR PAROLE. THAT'S THE ONLY LOgICAL EXPLANATION OTHA THEN YOU ADDIN' SHIT TO WHAT'S NOT THERE. KEEP IT REAL.


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gOOD READ. LACE THEM. I CAN PERSONALLY VOUCH FOR WHAT THAT BOOK IS TALKIN' ABOUT SINCE I SEEN IT FIRSTHAND. I WANNA SAY, FUK C.C.A(CORRECTIONS CORPORATION OF AMERIKKKA) AND WAKENHUT FOR TRYIN' TO BUBBLE ON THE STOK MARKET OVER OUR MISFORTUNES.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

We *are* liberal when it comes to crime. Locking someone up for 10, 15, 20 years may sound illiberal to you, but fucking the hole in a corpse you made with a hatchet is not exactly the most progressive act one can undertake.

Even supposedly *liberal* Cuba has given dissidents jail sentences of up to 25 years for "sedition", etc. We are more liberal than Castro and your homeboy Chavez when it comes to most matters not dealing with capital punishment.

And as far capital punishment disproportionately given to the poor and minorities, the poor and minorities disproportionately kill people, so would you like an even spread accross white america just to make it fair and balanced?

 

[CannibalCrow]

I used to be pretty bent on " eye for an eye " when it came to crime. But then one day I wondered what would happen if the guy was innocent?

 

[Rob S4]

First off EDJ, Iam 25 locked up 3 different times. One I did in Juvi corrections for a burglary (Did about 6 months aaway from home, some time in county, some time in the Juvi penitentary system, then was freed. Second time I was an adult with another burglery (did this one) and spent some time in a little halfway house. This was because I fucked up on probation (smoking weed) then I got off of that. The third and final time was on some bullshit where my cousin got caught up in some shit and then ratted me out to the cops because he thought it would help reduce his sentence. I didnt say shit but since the he ratted to the cops about the me and other shit that I was into. They found my drugs and I got to go on a year vacation. Iam in Ohio and since iam upper ohio I go to Lorain. (If your in southern Ohio you go to CRC) I did about 3 months or less in that place until I was shipped off across the street in Grafton. All in all I did a year because they didnt have much on me. Now Iam in college and I said fuck all that. My inmate # is none of your concern. It starts with letter and is exactly 6 digits with them being split into 2 sets of 3 by a hyphen. Get up on things and dont speak unless your spoken to. Peace.

 

[EDJ]

^YOU ADDIN' JUVENILE SHIT. THAT SHIT DON'T COUNT. THEN YOU INCLUDIN' A HALFWAY AS PRISON. SO YOU REALLY DID ONE YEAR. KEEP IT REAL THEN.

 

[Rob S4]

locked up is locked up. Dont matter where you are its hell. Get out of here with your negativity. Nobody wants to hear you.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

And as far capital punishment disproportionately given to the poor and minorities, the poor and minorities disproportionately kill people, so would you like an even spread accross white america just to make it fair and balanced?

So are you saying minorities are worse people than whites so that's why they kill more people and it should just be accepted like that? It's about the situations the people are put in, and since there are more white's with wealth and they get better public schools and usually further education, well minorities get put in different situations and react differently. Whites aren't any better than anyone, it's just that more of them get a good education and get more opportunities due to the system and how it's set up.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Minorities kill more people per capita than whites. Thus, minorities recieve the death penalty more often. Bad, good, is not an issue.

 

[Olde English800]

Spounge Bob Square

They found my drugs and I got to go on a year vacation. Iam in Ohio and since iam upper ohio I go to Lorain. (If your in southern Ohio you go to CRC) I did about 3 months or less in that place until I was shipped off across the street in Grafton.

Im sure your 2 months at lorian was hell. You already got snitch genetics in your family, why dont you go burglarize the bookstore at your college and do another 2 months.


Keep bangin fahrenhiet you fruit Cake.

 

[Hutch]

Humans react differently from other people at all time. What you do or think can differ within a moment of a conversation or a situation. The general prisons have environmental problems as well as mental and physical problems in their past to the present. We understand the link between the brain from the mechanics of the body may differ in intension. When you dismiss these facts from the overall crime, you generalize the criminal populations. Each crime is unique, it is our understanding no crime is the same, due to the people involved and the opinions created in the defense and DA. You find yourself unique, right.

Ok, so let’s ask…..have you every thought of killing someone? Have you been so angry you couldn’t control the situation? There is a problem in the mental minds of humans….In our life time not one person will stay the same. Crimes are made at any age of a human’s life span without prior criminal acts. We have also not provided a comprehensive study of severe crimes because of prisons restrictions. Until we can fully integrate the prison population to open up their minds to the public will we identify the majority of crimes have a human factor of failure to control ones emotion, not so much the fault of the person.

I know people are going to hate the fact that a friend or relative dies because of a person, but the same situation lies in the act of war the cause and affects to what the intensions are to situation. If you believe in the reasons that its America whose cause the bombing, then the human mind is easily influence by the situation, a very unique reason to kill. We want to stands by humanity, but we fail to except our human faults and failures in the process.

When I was little it took a mistake to learn a lesson and move forward to being a beter person….i’m not saying everyone should be able to kill one time, but the studies show the general killings happen due to the set-up of the situation, individual environments, and the mental and physical disorders of the persons involved. If you believe in rehabilitation then you must also believe the need to provide a better environment for the persons in prison.

I agree that prison isn't always the best option, and that sometimes it may simply act to harden the criminal, but it's almost impossible to correctly categorize those who will benefit from a less restrictive approach of rehabilitation and those who will simply take advantage.

One of my best friends hates prisons (he's never been to one, but simply hates the whole concept). He tried to tell me one day that a more befitting method of rehabilitation would involve all but the most psychotic criminals spending a few years on a farm, where they can learn to take responsibility for themselves, providing their own food & entertainment, relying on co-operation to work as a unit, not restricted by any bars or fences but allowed to roam free. I told him he was fucked in the head. His utopia would see us all fed to the dogs. If thats all that happened to a person for committing murder, it's not a very repelling punishment!

I consider a violent crime caused by the failure to control ones emotions as the fault of that person, and they should be justly punished. Spur-of-the-moment crimes are just as serious as premeditated crimes. Sure, they don't put as much thought into it, but the fact that they're willing to do it once greatly increases the chance that they will do it again. But I do agree with you to an extent Merciedez. One single prison structure does not accomodate the range of criminals that exists in todays society.

Picture you're driving down the road, it's dark and rainy and suddenly, from nowhere, someone jumps out in front of your car. You try to swerve but fail to avoid the person, killing him. Often his death will result in the driver having to spend atleast some period of time in jail - the fact that this person could be an upstanding citizen, with no criminal record and a good heart, will have to spend months to years in the same prison as those who committed pre-meditated acts of violence is wrong. They don't deserve to be subject to the same environment day in day out. Unfortunately, these changes require too much thinking for the government - and they
are all both too stupid and too slack to do anything about it.