Vocabulary

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I see where you're coming from now. In retrospect, maybe it was a bad idea that I stated I was neither liberal nor conservative. Hope that I didn't come off as if I were offended though. I was trying to understand the thread. I also hope I managed to contribute a little bit.

It is in the nature of man to complain. No one is ever happy. Political agendas mean little to me, because it comes down to the core focus.. Man has to help Man. We're supposed to be social animals. Of course you're going to have all types posting their opinions, and you're going to disagree.

When you're seeing very similar core values being thrown around, and you don't agree with them, there is going to be a monotonous feeling about it. If you're in a forum where nearly everyone agrees, there is no debate. There is no severing of ways.

I'm grateful for the conservative views in a liberal forum. Because I get to see debate. I see educated people going back and forth in a respecting manner, and I learn something. Just because you're outnumbered doesn't mean that the forum is full of mindless zombies. It just means you're in a liberal forum. There are going to be a lot of the same words being thrown back and forth. They're educated.

"People are liars to the very core, having convinced themselves that they as RIch White Liberals care more for poor minorities than say, Poor Minority Conservatives."
The more people who care, despite differences in agendas, the better. Even if you just debate it, you're educating others who wander into these boards. You put your wisdom out there, and even if I don't agree I respect it. And if someone else reads it, they can make up their own mind. That's why this forum is here, in my opinion. Not to prove who is right or wrong, but to educate people who make their own opinions.

There's a lot of liberals, there's few conservatives.. Either way, both care. They just have different answers.

Sometimes too much help is a hinderance, and a crutch. People become addicted to the help.
Sometimes too little help is cruel. They seriously cannot get by with out the help.
Sometimes you need to prod someone into walking for themselves.
Give a man a fish, and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for life.
 
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Tadou. You make good POINTS, but you deem parts of the problem as the whole. Alot of what you say may ring true but most of it is assumption based rhetoric. These problems run deeper than republicans vs democrats and you KNOW that. You would make alot more sense if you stopped painting everything so black and white.

"this board is the who's who of Bourgeoisie White Liberals."

Another assumption made in a vain attempt at justifying the complete LACK of support for your views. You're on a message board that promotes "counter-culture" and yet you continue to sit back and slap your forehead wondering where all these crazy "liberals" come from. You like to apply labels, and judge, and argue. Not for the sake of finding common ground or truth but you dogmatically press your ideals onto other people.

I don't believe that you really value intellectual growth and truth through balance. You seem more content with harboring your own concepts and patterns than with branching out to learn past the confines of your ego.

ALL politicians have an agenda. Their own. Just like you have YOUR own agenda. Its no different, and you can label it conservatism/liberalism or whatever you please but these are simply avenues followed in an attempt to further PERSONAL agendas. Like your choice to adhere almost strictly to "conservative" values because that is what you feel most comfortable and best doing. Thats the avenue of thought you adhere to because it suits you.

What would possess a person to stand back and not apply these labels to themself? Personally I don't follow anyone elses ideals and standards besides my own. That seems to be a big difference between you and most of the other people in this forum. There was a thread awhile back that showed the results of a harvard study. It claims that "conservatives" like structure and rules and law. They adhere to tradition, and don't stray far from imposed boundaries.

What do you think about that idea and how does it affect the way you think?
 
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You started with the fact that almost no one here likes Bush or conservatives, and no one is proud of being white or will stand up and oppose others when white people are under attack.

I do not give ground in what I believe is a relevant fight. Whether or not I agree with one perspective of history, social responsibility, or racial superiority is immaterial on this board because that is the intellectual fodder that astounds the weak and busies the impotent. Rarely have I known someone who spoke very passionately about racial pride and power who was not a broke college student, unimportant person, or generally failed soul who has turned to the least common denominator in a bid for power.

No Blacks here have the guts to call out a man like Immortal Technique or KRS-One, or congratulate Condi or Janice Rogers Brown. Latinos are not proud of Alberto Gonzales. And the list goes on.
A simplistic concept of 'race' that denies perspective, ethnic identity, or contribution is useless to one who would promote the interests of said 'race'. The fact that Condi Rice or Janice Rogers are both *probably* racially Black does not mean that a Black man must have pride in their accomplishments, especially when many in the Black community have a notion of communalism that judges based on what one's perceived benefits to others is.

And the WORST THING OF ALL, people won't even come out and ADMIT to being Liberals. Almost EVERY LIBERAL HERE runs with that same ass "I'm not a Liberal or a Conservative!" shit. That same ass "Democrats and Republicans both are pawns of the corporations!" and, "I just vote for the lesser of two evils!" Many are even Anti-Semitic for no reason, not even realizing that most Jews vote Liberal/Democratic.
'Liberal' and 'Conservative' are relativistic terms designated by the brain-dead American mass media. European Conservatives would be considered quite Liberal in America, while most self-described 'Liberal' parties aspire much more closely to American conservative ideals. The fact that people who have a broader perspective than Fox News, Tom Brokaw, and Newsweek reject these labels is no prescient marker of the intellectual stupefication that pervades them. Your simplistic and often incorrect ascription of the views and ideas of people on these boards as 'liberal' is merely due to your narrow and neophyte definitions of political expression.

In the 'American' spectrum, most posters on these boards are very left-wing, and far from an American conservative when it comes to viewpoint. But does that make them 'liberals'? In your simplistic world, yes. The rest of us, though, are less concerned with O'Reilly style summary liberal labeling and more with our own views and opinions.

This Vocabulary thread, first of all, was something i was really interested in. I know EDJ has some hilarious shit he does, and everybody associates "AND THEN YOU STRESSED" with him and only him. I know 2-0-Sixx says comrade sometimes. Oh Coy says "KICK ROCKS!!" about 5 times a day. But other than those few, there's not much else.
The problem with you attempting to start a rational, interesting discussion on these boards is your very frequent off-the-wall, undeveloped, pseudointellectual rambling on threads started by others. A good example would be the Xiane thread. Instead of saying "My bad" or "Im just fuckin around" you insist on defending useless and noncontributing invective. In other cases, your sometimes ludicrous verbiage, while a quite endearing attempt at learned discussion, causes everything from anger to laughter to hositlity. Often I have read your remarks and knew what you were trying to say, but understood that many others who were arguing with you didn't, and for good reason.

It would be like if I started a thread about Lawn Darts, and you entered in it and said "Well you don't know shit about temperate foliage". Often your additions are either off-mark, vaguely relevant, or simply nonsensical.

Second of all.....it was a proxy argument. You see all these people getting mad at me and offended, that won't even contribute to the thread. They won't even give it a SHOT--they just IMMEDIATELY deem it some kind of attack, and go on the offensive. But back to the proxy stuff.....its the other section of this argument: people on this forum seem to LOVE to bitch, but almost NONE of them have any alternate ideas. Almost NONE of them have the capability to be a leader or organizer or union boss. Almost NONE of them would make good teachers or principals.
The practical applicability of the ideas on this forum and said importance are subjective; the fact that the opinions of many here seem to be uniform may be upsetting and offputting to you, but really doesn't mean shit to the rest of us. Where you look and see a chorus of opinions I see disagreements and discussion occuring at least semi-often. The reason it is so much more upsetting to you is because you are so diametrically opposed to the views of most or all of us, and you have no one to back you. Thus, in your opinion you are a Catholic in a room full of Mormons, Mormons who don't even want to hear the first word you say.

In fact, tadou, you have often been denied the opportunity to speak that first word or get heard out because you so frequently waste it. Had you not often touted yourself as the great answer to all that is incorrect and faulty about this board while attacking the views of everyone else, perhaps you would be listened to more attentively.

You do see people like EDJ, for example, with completely constant, unchanging views and an insistence on their own correctness not being persecuted on this board the way you are, and it may very well be due to the fact many on this board agree with them. That is, however, the unfortunate nature of things, and you can either deal or leave. Had you not came out sounding like the omniscient tadou on all things besides bonsai farming, that could have been the case for you as well.

They sit back, they bitch about corporations and the New World Order, then they log off and go for a ride in the car mom bought them, and go hang out with their friends and smoke weed and drink liquor and watch football. The shit would be enfuriating if it wasn't so ironic.
Many people hold views that they do not enforce or radically impose on the world. The only one infuriated here is you, and even then you have no right to judge the efficacy or importance of one person in the world. Your radical solution lies in agreeing with everything the American right says and does. I wouldn't call that very radical at all. I don't think Sean Hannity will ever be compared to MLK, Malcolm X, or Ghandi, and for good reason.

Even now....what can we expect? Bunch of dumbasses chiming in with, "You don't know me!!!" and all this other shit. Will they even BOTHER to explain their childhood and how they were raised (middle class vs welfare, etc.), and all of this other stuff? .....No. Because they are FUNDAMENTALLY DISHONEST.

This Poor Black/Latino-Oriented Rap Message Board is crawling with Middle Class White Liberals, and this GOTM board is just a magnification of that: this board is the who's who of Bourgeoisie White Liberals.
Whether or not that is correct is immaterial. Many of us have told our life stories, but we shouldn't even have to. You are constantly slipping and flailing in arguments on these boards because your intent is unascertainable, your argumentative tactics are self-defeating and bombastic, and your phrasing and verbiage are often either muddled or asinine, leaving people with the standard 'tadou defense' they know - ridicule, attack, discount, etc.

That should about cover it. People are liars to the very core, having convinced themselves that they as RIch White Liberals care more for poor minorities than say, Poor Minority Conservatives. But then they turn around, and can't even come up with a handfull of words and phrases to separate themselves from the rest of the pack. And it is pathetic.
The intricacies of our own speech or the lack of variation between us is (as usual....) not your concern. I'd rather sound similar to others on this board than engage in awkward, rambling diatribes of rather peculiar intent and unascertainable meanings, but that's just me. And I won't make a thread about it and how it proves my literary methods are superior to the stylistic automatons on the rest of this pitiful, uneducated board. But again, that's just me.
 

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TADOU,
YOU STRESSED, "You tell me."

I SHOULDN'T AND I WOULDN'T. PUPPETS ARE PUPPETS, NO MATTER THE RACE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Whats so honorable and noble about White Liberals fighting to get our people hooked and dependent on hand-outs like Welfare, A.A., Medicaid, etc. to the point where we can't even survive without them?"

AIN'T NOTHIN' HONORABLE ABOUT THAT. BUT REALITY IS THAT IT HAS COME DOWN TO THAT SO SOME OF US gOT A SHOT IN THIS PREDOMINANT ANgLO SOCIETY. REALITY IS THAT WE IS CONDITIONED AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POLE. AND THIS AIN'T CAUSE WE WANNA STAY DOWN THERE, OR IT'S OUR FAULT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "What is honorable about running around shouting that Black People can't afford college to the point where black people don't even RESEARCH if they CAN afford it--they just take the White Liberal's word for it and don't even try?"

EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. BUT MORE BROTHAS NEED TO LOOK INTO SHIT PERIOD.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Malcolm X said it best in his autobiography. Conservatives at least will tell you to your face that they hate you. X fuckin' DESPISED White Liberals; and no, he didn't say Democrats or Republicans.....he said LIBERALS."

AND? YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. YOU CAN'T SIT HERE AND WONDER WHAT KIND OF WHITEMAN IS WHAT. YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHICH MAN WILL TRY TO HELP YOU gET TO YOUR gOALS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Remember the Cute little white girl in the movie version that walks up asking what she can do to help...and he said "NOTHING'". THATS the attitude we need to get back to."

YUP. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE MUST BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.

WHITE DEVIL,

WHY YOU EVEN MENTIONIN' MY NAME AND ATTEMPTIN' TO PERCEIVE ME?
 
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Oh Coy!Ocerto said:
THEN LEAVE...WHO THE FUCK SAID WE EVEN WANTED YOU AROUND THESE PARTS?ALL YOU DO IS PARADE AROUND LIKE SOME POMPUS ASSLICKER THAT THINKS THE WORLD REVOLVES HIM...AND ALL YOUR IDEAS ARE "GROPUNDBREAKING"...YET YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BACK IT UP...JUST A BUNCH OF BIG TERMS AND WORDS....LIKE WE ARE INPRESSED BY YOU....HALF THE PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD ALONE WANNA BITCH SLAP YOU FOR ACTING LIKE SUCH A PRICK SUCKING FAGGOT...

ONCE AGAIN...WE DONT LIKE YOU...WE DONT WANT YOU HERE...PLEASE LEAVE BEFORE YOU EMBARRASS YOURSELF AGAIN...

"NO"
AMEN.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
More of that irony/sarcasm/antipathic shit I know you be diggin.
Whats really funny...you came off as all intelligent and proper...and then one day...EDJ checked you....now you comin off all grimey and hood...whats with that???
 
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Gringo aka "Stop makin fun of white people man it's not fair, Cut the crap"!

You got your name on some wannabe crip shit and you're basically a butthurt whiteboy. Cut the crap man cut the crap! And I'm from Frisco, I'm sure you never been out here but pretty much everyone talks like I do. There's a difference, though, in how I talk in person and online, or how I feel like talkin online.

If I was out tryin to buy some dank, or just kickin it with people, obviously ima talk different. The fact that I can speak well does not reflect on anything, nor do times when I don't feel like it.

Also, EDJ talks a different way. My pseudo-versed speech often causes communication errors between us.

Furthermore and in conclusion, you a perp and a mark. You more white than 15 niggas on this board talkin bout "man white people can rap just as good as any" like most of the White Defender Siccness members, pretending at the same time you know bout som'n. Cut the crap man, Cut the Crap! Haha.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Gringo aka "Stop makin fun of white people man it's not fair, Cut the crap"!

You got your name on some wannabe crip shit and you're basically a butthurt whiteboy. Cut the crap man cut the crap! And I'm from Frisco, I'm sure you never been out here but pretty much everyone talks like I do. There's a difference, though, in how I talk in person and online, or how I feel like talkin online.

If I was out tryin to buy some dank, or just kickin it with people, obviously ima talk different. The fact that I can speak well does not reflect on anything, nor do times when I don't feel like it.

Also, EDJ talks a different way. My pseudo-versed speech often causes communication errors between us.

Furthermore and in conclusion, you a perp and a mark. You more white than 15 niggas on this board talkin bout "man white people can rap just as good as any" like most of the White Defender Siccness members, pretending at the same time you know bout som'n. Cut the crap man, Cut the Crap! Haha.
Yeah totally....aint you half white yourself???

The fact is...mister Ariyan(sp?) Nation...is youre slightly confused about who the FUCK you are..first you denounce Nortes...and then you wanna be down with the AN....and now you back to your "street roots"?So...who needs to "cut the crap"?

And my OTHER screen name...is a joke i ran with,what...almost 4 years ago?Its funny....thank Soak Game for that...

You aint foolin no one homeboy...

And i dont give 2 shits how the fuck anyone talks...do you always follow trends?You aint no different from you boy Tadou....learn to make youre own rules...and stop followin others...it makes you look weak minded...

And at least a man like EDJ...as much as him and I dont see eye to eye...knows who he is...hes an intelligent man...who keeps his roots to the bone...anyone denying the fact that he rules his own domain is an idiot...keep that in mind next time you "try and drop some knowledge on the less fortunate"....
 
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Yeah totally....aint you half white yourself???
Yes. And I basically identify as ethnically white due to what I consider the unspoken cultural implications of race and racial duty.

The fact is...mister Ariyan(sp?) Nation...is youre slightly confused about who the FUCK you are..first you denounce Nortes...and then you wanna be down with the AN....and now you back to your "street roots"?So...who needs to "cut the crap"?

And i dont give 2 shits how the fuck anyone talks...do you always follow trends?You aint no different from you boy Tadou....learn to make youre own rules...and stop followin others...it makes you look weak minded...
  • My relatives, my friends, my acquaintances - many have gang ties. My neighborhood has gang ties. Shit, my 'music' has gang ties. I own one blue shirt and that's for dressup. So who exactly am I denouncing?
  • I wanna be down with the Aryan Nation? Haha. Bwahahah. Hah. heh
  • I ain't back to shit. My identity is my own. I'm not the one out here on a gangsta rap message board gettin butthurt when people talk down on white folks especially white rappers, which I've seen you do multiple times.
  • Speech is a method of communication. People proud of their ability to converse in any one language, style, or topic are fools. I don't need to consistently portray anything, as this board has absolutely nothing to do with real life, or in fact anything at all that matters. Me and EDJ often have misunderstandings, and much of the causation lies in the different ways we communicate. The only purpose this board serves to me is a sometimes informational, mostly recereational distraction from real life. My legitimacy or illegitimacy (should) matter nothing to you.
  • Tadou, as much as you talk shit about him, is actually much more of a free thinker than you. Regardless of the questionable quality of much of his statements, he has much more of an effect on this board and the boards he posts on than you do. And he made a good point earlier about most of this board being a giant head shaking in unison. You talk down on tadou, yet fail to cause even a fraction of the uproar he does, whether due to anger, appreciation, or anything else.
And at least a man like EDJ...as much as him and I dont see eye to eye...knows who he is...hes an intelligent man...who keeps his roots to the bone...anyone denying the fact that he rules his own domain is an idiot...keep that in mind next time you "try and drop some knowledge on the less fortunate"....
You forgot to mention how he likes his toast, when you realized he changed your life, and how many of his posters you have. I agree EDJ is a contributor, and often offers provocative arguments. The fact that he uses the same verbiage, phrasing, and tone in his speech could be viewed positively or negatively. Your adoration of the fact that he "keeps it hood" 24/7 is useless to me and this discussion, as is posturing or attempts to typify oneself on an internet message board. You're a bitch in Sean John and you're a bitch on a skateboard. Which it is - irrelevant.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Yes. And I basically identify as ethnically white due to what I consider the unspoken cultural implications of race and racial duty.
Yet you seem to talk DOWN on white people...so youre still confused...



  • My relatives, my friends, my acquaintances - many have gang ties. My neighborhood has gang ties. Shit, my 'music' has gang ties. I own one blue shirt and that's for dressup. So who exactly am I denouncing?


  • DO i need to bring up the thread where you bitched and moaned about your "homies bangin Norte?"I believe it was a "spoof" thread entitled "Rules To Being A Norte"...HMMMMM...cut the crap..

    [*]I wanna be down with the Aryan Nation? Haha. Bwahahah. Hah. heh
    Again...YOU said this in a post...do i need to refresh your memory?Jail?Pick a side?AN?That was you...Yes???OK...cut the crap...

    [*]I ain't back to shit. My identity is my own. I'm not the one out here on a gangsta rap message board gettin butthurt when people talk down on white folks especially white rappers, which I've seen you do multiple times.
    I see...so basically...youre sayin...its cool for OTHER minoritys to talk down on caucasians...but its soooooo wrong for caucasians to call other ethnicities racial slurs....if thats the case...then fuck you...i aint no ones "white boy"...just like you aint no ones half "brown boy"....Once again...cut the crap...

    [*]Speech is a method of communication. People proud of their ability to converse in any one language, style, or topic are fools. I don't need to consistently portray anything, as this board has absolutely nothing to do with real life, or in fact anything at all that matters. Me and EDJ often have misunderstandings, and much of the causation lies in the different ways we communicate. The only purpose this board serves to me is a sometimes informational, mostly recereational distraction from real life. My legitimacy or illegitimacy (should) matter nothing to you.
    It matters a great deal...im the same dude ON and OFF here...plain and simple....but the way you switch up so often...its extremely suspect in my eyes...but youre right...this is the internet...i give 2 fucks what you do off OR on here...but i call bullshit when i see it....On the net...and OFF it...

    [*]Tadou, as much as you talk shit about him, is actually much more of a free thinker than you. Regardless of the questionable quality of much of his statements, he has much more of an effect on this board and the boards he posts on than you do. And he made a good point earlier about most of this board being a giant head shaking in unison. You talk down on tadou, yet fail to cause even a fraction of the uproar he does, whether due to anger, appreciation, or anything else.
Youre right....Tadou does contribute to here...about as much as Jerry Springer does for the no job havin losers that watch him at noon 5 days a week....Tadou is a drama queen...who has NOTHING better to do THAN to come on here...get off on his LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG paragraphs about HOW hes gonna change the WORLD....yeah...i can see it now...

Dont talk about it...be about it...

You forgot to mention how he likes his toast, when you realized he changed your life, and how many of his posters you have. I agree EDJ is a contributor, and often offers provocative arguments. The fact that he uses the same verbiage, phrasing, and tone in his speech could be viewed positively or negatively. Your adoration of the fact that he "keeps it hood" 24/7 is useless to me and this discussion, as is posturing or attempts to typify oneself on an internet message board..
Oh and now we wanna be a funny guy...

I dont even like EDJ's music...but i will give any man who grinds his props..and any man that can call bullshit...is a true earth shaker...cus that donesnt happen very often...

You're a bitch in Sean John and you're a bitch on a skateboard. Which it is - irrelevant
And now you want to insult me...wow...real mature of you...how old are you?You have no idea who i am or what im about...yet you choose to take the 12 year old route and call me names...

"youre a big stupid dummy and i only go by stereotypes to make fun of you!"

Wow...thats the best you can come up with?Because im white...i MUST wear a certain type of brand...right?ANd because Im on a Hip-Hop message board....i must wear clothes made by a African-American clothes line owner...becuase to LIKE hip-hop music...i must be some type of "wigger"...am i doin ok so far on your whole fucked up sense of stereotypical bullshit that only weak minded,judgemental retards go by?And i also ride a skateboard...becuase....in your eyes...thats white people SHOULD do...right?What other ones can we think of?Cmon....i know you got more...

The fact of the matter is...youre half caucasian...i dont give a flyin fuck how hood you are...where you came from...what kinda dirt you did...whatever....we are in the same boat bucko...but i one up you..im full blooded WHITE AMERICAN....ive done ALL the same shit you did...and got MORE respect than you...cus i did it all as the MINORITY in my neighborhood....matter of fact...i was most likely raised in a WORSE enviroment than you...in a MUCH poorer set up as you....but thats neither here nor there....right?Im just a skateboarding,Black clothe line wearing white guy...who defends other whites when people use racist remarks towards them...nice aint it?

To what you do brah...thats you desicion...your life...your thought process...youre consequences....your rewards...and as much as i might not agree with them...i cant stop ANYONE from doin ANYTHING they want...so...on your way young man....good luck!