Valedictorian Speaks Out Against Schooling
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are you being sarcastic? cause you make a good point, there is no problem being a worker bee, if thats what you want to do. Shes made a good point too, who cares about test scores.
The way i see it, our economy is shrinking when it comes to producing things. The worker bee is being squeezed, and is being force to become a servant bee. There are less and less blue collar jobs out there that pay a decent wage. We are being told to go to school to be trained as employees for big coorporations.
The education system is pumping out white collar expendable workers. Everyone else is SOL.
are you being sarcastic? cause you make a good point, there is no problem being a worker bee, if thats what you want to do. Shes made a good point too, who cares about test scores.
The way i see it, our economy is shrinking when it comes to producing things. The worker bee is being squeezed, and is being force to become a servant bee. There are less and less blue collar jobs out there that pay a decent wage. We are being told to go to school to be trained as employees for big coorporations.
The education system is pumping out white collar expendable workers. Everyone else is SOL.
Heres a quote from: China's Megatrends by John and Norie Naisbitt
"it all starts with education. As long as chinas education system continues to rely heavily on passive learning and exam-based performance, it will not be able to support innovative thinking, creativity, or entrepreneurship."
This sounds like exactly where America wants to take it's public educational system.
Standerized test, and performance driven pay.
"it all starts with education. As long as chinas education system continues to rely heavily on passive learning and exam-based performance, it will not be able to support innovative thinking, creativity, or entrepreneurship."
This sounds like exactly where America wants to take it's public educational system.
Standerized test, and performance driven pay.
Take your pick. This is what our system offers. The middle class is shrinking, and all the people falling out of it have two choices, serve the privaleged, or go to school to be trained to work for them.
Meanwhile the value of your money is being eroded by the fed and it's QE funny money. It's a slow process, but little by little we're losing ground. The sun is setting and night time is near.
This is what I see from my corner of the world
Meanwhile the value of your money is being eroded by the fed and it's QE funny money. It's a slow process, but little by little we're losing ground. The sun is setting and night time is near.
This is what I see from my corner of the world
Wonderful the youth is thinking!
Good to see people thinking for themselves for once!
History and Knowledge is suppressed in the education system.
But with the basic skills you get in school.
You can use you own mind to read and discover new things.
Happy to see some young people thinking. I see some hope for them after all..
Good to see people thinking for themselves for once!
History and Knowledge is suppressed in the education system.
But with the basic skills you get in school.
You can use you own mind to read and discover new things.
Happy to see some young people thinking. I see some hope for them after all..
I wasn't impressed with the speech.
While others sat in class and doodled to later become great artists, I sat in class to take notes and become a great test-taker.
I think this is a fantasy that most people believe of artists. They just have some natural talent and BOOM they go on to be great artists. Becoming a great artist usually takes just as much discipline as becoming a great "test-taker."
Usually artists go to art schools to further hone their talents.
While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment.
Most of the time I didn't do my homework it was because I was out partying or wasting time. I don't see how being a good student and engaging in a personal interest is incompatible.
I have no clue about what I want to do with my life; I have no interests because I saw every subject of study as work, and I excelled at every subject just for the purpose of excelling, not learning. And quite frankly, now I'm scared.
If she has no interests, absolutely none, maybe it's also a flaw in her character, and how she was parented. I mean, most people I know who DID do well in school, usually had some goals in mind, and it wasn't always a business major. They also had many interests.
I personally didn't do well in school, but I don't blame the public school system. It seems we live in a culture that takes free education for granted. When we don't have it we bitch about it, but when we have it for years, we don't take it seriously. I've been to schools in relatively good areas, and schools in poor areas, and they all had some kind of outlets for students. There were usually after school programs, clubs, contests, all kinds of things going on, that most students didn't take advantage of.
I think the bigger problem in our society is materialism and the sense of entitlement and I don't think that it's a direct result of our schooling.
While others sat in class and doodled to later become great artists, I sat in class to take notes and become a great test-taker.
I think this is a fantasy that most people believe of artists. They just have some natural talent and BOOM they go on to be great artists. Becoming a great artist usually takes just as much discipline as becoming a great "test-taker."
Usually artists go to art schools to further hone their talents.
While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment.
Most of the time I didn't do my homework it was because I was out partying or wasting time. I don't see how being a good student and engaging in a personal interest is incompatible.
I have no clue about what I want to do with my life; I have no interests because I saw every subject of study as work, and I excelled at every subject just for the purpose of excelling, not learning. And quite frankly, now I'm scared.
If she has no interests, absolutely none, maybe it's also a flaw in her character, and how she was parented. I mean, most people I know who DID do well in school, usually had some goals in mind, and it wasn't always a business major. They also had many interests.
I personally didn't do well in school, but I don't blame the public school system. It seems we live in a culture that takes free education for granted. When we don't have it we bitch about it, but when we have it for years, we don't take it seriously. I've been to schools in relatively good areas, and schools in poor areas, and they all had some kind of outlets for students. There were usually after school programs, clubs, contests, all kinds of things going on, that most students didn't take advantage of.
I think the bigger problem in our society is materialism and the sense of entitlement and I don't think that it's a direct result of our schooling.
I would disagree with you that public schooling is largely about taking orders. I would say it's more about giving students the basics of an education. Learning how to read and write properly, basic algebra or higher, and science seems like a very positive thing in my mind.
I also disagree with the connection you're drawing.
I mean, if that were true, would that mean that those who do poorly in school or drop out are much less susceptible to materialistic goals and notions of entitlement?
I also disagree with the connection you're drawing.
I mean, if that were true, would that mean that those who do poorly in school or drop out are much less susceptible to materialistic goals and notions of entitlement?
I didn't word what I was trying to say...Public school largely functions to ingrain in students the basics you need to work and live in this society but not so much as how to be a leader and search out your own answers and path (to be an analytical and a critical thinker). Our media corporations, etc. promote endless consumerism which of course requires money to be satiated, this places many of those who are the products of public school in a bind where there minds are stuck in a sheep, sort of following format that allows them so much but never will allow them the mind state needed to gain that endless amount of cash they need for that endless amount of junk they want. So my point was more about the overwhelming mind state I see successful/nominally successful (if you only think going to college afterwards is truly success) public school graduates having.
This bitch reminds me of so many a self-important, pseudo intellectual female "A" student I've met that it's almost a caricature. The sort of essays they write and public speaking they undertake is so dry you can almost hear the first draft outline structure in their voice.
They lack any real ideas because they lack the deep mental well from which original ideas spring, that tenuous link between concrete and the possible that is the domain of real genius. And her point is that public schooling creates this archetype - automatons who lack critical thinking ability and only do what is necessary to win.
The problem is she is wrong. She was the single valedictorian. It wasnt a title shared by the entire class. I doubt that everyone graduating was also a mindless test-passer or workhorse. Personal expression, creativity, exploration, and self-discovery are not a means to daily survival. They are byproducts of living a life on purpose, not fingerpainting in the woods.
Her point is faulty as fuck - all the kids doodling, skipping class, and playing dungeons and dragons in the woods outside of school are likely going to end up flipping burgers, paying with EBT cards and trying to make it big on slip and fall lawsuits.
Who is she speaking to? The teachers who put up with her self-important, uninspired drivel for 4 years? The parents of the other students who would be happy as fuck to see their child in the unimportant, meaningless 'valedictorian' position making that speech? Her own family, as a preface to coming out of the closet and seeking her true self in crystal meth and abusive dyke relationships?
They lack any real ideas because they lack the deep mental well from which original ideas spring, that tenuous link between concrete and the possible that is the domain of real genius. And her point is that public schooling creates this archetype - automatons who lack critical thinking ability and only do what is necessary to win.
The problem is she is wrong. She was the single valedictorian. It wasnt a title shared by the entire class. I doubt that everyone graduating was also a mindless test-passer or workhorse. Personal expression, creativity, exploration, and self-discovery are not a means to daily survival. They are byproducts of living a life on purpose, not fingerpainting in the woods.
Her point is faulty as fuck - all the kids doodling, skipping class, and playing dungeons and dragons in the woods outside of school are likely going to end up flipping burgers, paying with EBT cards and trying to make it big on slip and fall lawsuits.
Who is she speaking to? The teachers who put up with her self-important, uninspired drivel for 4 years? The parents of the other students who would be happy as fuck to see their child in the unimportant, meaningless 'valedictorian' position making that speech? Her own family, as a preface to coming out of the closet and seeking her true self in crystal meth and abusive dyke relationships?
doodlers 2 time felon grafitti writers, skipping class-dead beat fathers, dugeons and dragons inthe woods - going to college definitely, or becoming hippies living in Sonoma county. But I do agree she is just trying to make up for her inevitably dull future as someones manager, supervisor, or some bitch assisting the fuck out of some big wig having her hopes crushed after they promote some young slore over her despite her diligence for many years...whatever.
i dont know whats so wrong about what this lady said.
i commend her effort to see what is going on.
Even if she knows that her position in life had been dictated by indoctrination this whole time, at least she knows it.
How many family members and friends do you know that realize they have been indoctrinated?
do you realize youve been indoctrinated? do you realize that your reaction to this whole thing is most likely something you were taught to do?
what do you expect to come out of somebody brainwashed mouth other than the usual?
i dont know if yall get a high from feeling self righteous, and you most likely do, but hey, i cannot blame you either for you have been indoctrinated also...
i commend her effort to see what is going on.
Even if she knows that her position in life had been dictated by indoctrination this whole time, at least she knows it.
How many family members and friends do you know that realize they have been indoctrinated?
do you realize youve been indoctrinated? do you realize that your reaction to this whole thing is most likely something you were taught to do?
what do you expect to come out of somebody brainwashed mouth other than the usual?
i dont know if yall get a high from feeling self righteous, and you most likely do, but hey, i cannot blame you either for you have been indoctrinated also...
I think it's because she has this victim mentality, and blaming everyone but herself is pretty pathetic.
Granted, there is always room for improvement, and public schooling is no exception, but her woe-is-me attitude is to typical these days.
I'm fairly certain that, like most highschools, music and art were offered in her school. She speaks about doodling in class. Why didn't she take a music or art class? Doesn't New York state highschool graduation requirements require an elective in either art, music or theater?
It seems to me like the public school system worked in this case, offering someone a good education and a chance at a stable life, regardless of lacking talent, passion or interests outside of acing tests.
Granted, there is always room for improvement, and public schooling is no exception, but her woe-is-me attitude is to typical these days.
I'm fairly certain that, like most highschools, music and art were offered in her school. She speaks about doodling in class. Why didn't she take a music or art class? Doesn't New York state highschool graduation requirements require an elective in either art, music or theater?
It seems to me like the public school system worked in this case, offering someone a good education and a chance at a stable life, regardless of lacking talent, passion or interests outside of acing tests.