Universal Healthcare World Map

[coondogg26]

But you're also confusing "health" with keeping up with ones health. Healthcare covers shit like terminal illnesses and accidents. You can get cancer without even knowing WHY you got it. Breast cancer is hereditary. Heart disease is HEREDITARY. What if a woman is raped and she gets HEPC? Is it her fault? What about a kid playing with his friends and a drunk driver hits him and paralyzes him? Is that the kids fault for the driver being errant?

What about birth? Giving birth happens something like every 17 seconds in the US...do we not supply mothers with insurance for that? How about regular checkups and mamograms? Yearly prostate checkups for men over 35? What about vaccinations for kids?

If people start living healthy then we could cut Billions of dollars a year, that money could be spent on research and treatment of non-preventable diseases, like cancer. Until people start taking control of their own health and attempt to prevent what they can then we will continue to be a grossly unhealthy society.

And i already said that i think all children should have health care coverage, just not all adults

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Healthcare does cover terminal illnesses...you're right. But in places like Canada, terminally ill patients often get screwed because they wait too long to see specialists. Not by any fault of their own, but because that is how the system works up there. See the case of the lady that lost her leg due to a very treatable circulatory problem. There are many cases like that.

And yes, pregnant women are given coverage.

That was canada though....we are talking about possibilities of coverage here in the US...or at least I thought.

I am simply saying that health care isn't just about you're actual health, but about being covered for any and ALL things that can happen and do happen to a person in a given life span that can put your life in danger/prevent your life from danger/diagnose issues unprovoked.

 

[Dhadnot]

some of what coon is saying is right, but you have to figure in marketing of 'bad' food compared to marketing (information) of 'good' food, and the neighborhoods who have access to healthy alternatives and if the residents of those neighborhoods have the money to keep up with a healthy lifestyle.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

If people start living healthy then we could cut Billions of dollars a year, that money could be spent on research and treatment of non-preventable diseases, like cancer. Until people start taking control of their own health and attempt to prevent what they can then we will continue to be a grossly unhealthy society.

And i already said that i think all children should have health care coverage, just not all adults

SO an adult mother shouldn't be given health care to deliver her baby? What about mamograms and prostate checkups?

No one is saying that we ARENT unhealthy, but you putting EVERY single health problem on an individual is absurd. A person cant help if someone else hurts them, in most cases. Some people get hereditary diseases and defects...thats not THEIR fault and they need coverage.

 

[Sydal]

That was canada though....we are talking about possibilities of coverage here in the US...or at least I thought.

I am simply saying that health care isn't just about you're actual health, but about being covered for any and ALL things that can happen and do happen to a person in a given life span that can put your life in danger/prevent your life from danger/diagnose issues unprovoked.

I know what you're saying. But should we believe that, because this is the United States, we can do the Universal Healthcare thing better than anybody? That's like saying we could be a better communist country than any other communist country. The fact is, it's the same system, just in a different place.

 

[Sydal]

SO an adult mother shouldn't be given health care to deliver her baby? What about mamograms and prostate checkups?

No one is saying that we ARENT unhealthy, but you putting EVERY single health problem on an individual is absurd. A person cant help if someone else hurts them, in most cases. Some people get hereditary diseases and defects...thats not THEIR fault and they need coverage.

Adult mothers are given coverage when they have no other options. My BM was given coverage because she is uninsured...and we pay ZERO for anything pregnancy related.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I know what you're saying. But should we believe that, because this is the United States, we can do the Universal Healthcare thing better than anybody? That's like saying we could be a better communist country than any other communist country. The fact is, it's the same system, just in a different place.

I hadn't made any suggestions, I was just refuting that everything we need healthcare for is self-invoked, when it is simply NOT the case.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Adult mothers are given coverage when they have no other options. My BM was given coverage because she is uninsured...and we pay ZERO for anything pregnancy related.

What about checkups? I mean, i can go the free clinic...but would you?

What about gun shot wounds, car accidents, bone breaks, etc...

 

[Sydal]

If people start living healthy then we could cut Billions of dollars a year, that money could be spent on research and treatment of non-preventable diseases, like cancer. Until people start taking control of their own health and attempt to prevent what they can then we will continue to be a grossly unhealthy society.

And i already said that i think all children should have health care coverage, just not all adults

This is true, also. People on gov't programs NOW also waste money going to the Emergency room for a cold or flu (which is retarded because there is NOTHING that can be done about that shit). That wastes tons of resources and money.

 

[coondogg26]

SO an adult mother shouldn't be given health care to deliver her baby? What about mamograms and prostate checkups?

No one is saying that we ARENT unhealthy, but you putting EVERY single health problem on an individual is absurd. A person cant help if someone else hurts them, in most cases. Some people get hereditary diseases and defects...thats not THEIR fault and they need coverage.

show me where i said that every single health problem is on a given individual? You cant because I didnt. I said the majority, which is true, the numbers back it up. Heart disease is the #1 killer in America, its also mostly preventable. If we start to change that then we'd have more money to spend on other diseases, accidents ect. but we cant because that money is tied up and being spent on treating what can prevented

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

This is true, also. People on gov't programs NOW also waste money going to the Emergency room for a cold or flu (which is retarded because there is NOTHING that can be done about that shit). That wastes tons of resources and money.

Well, you can pre-treat the flu...

 

[Dhadnot]

This American attitude of I somehow totally earned whatever I have and fuck you, it's your fault if you don't have shit, is going to seriously split this country. The middle class is slowly being shown that there are external forces that delimit the majority of American lives and if your occupy the lower rung of the middle class you might be shit out of luck, wishing, hoping your country and fellowman cared about America (as a whole) and not just self and the capitalization of his brother's sorrow.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

show me where i said every single health problem on a given individual? You cant because I didnt. I said the majority, which is true, the numbers back it up. Heart disease is the #1 killer in America, its also mostly preventable. If we start to change that then we'd have more money to spend on other diseases, accidents ect. but we cant because that money is tied up and being spent on treating what can prevented

Heart disease and cancer is also HEREDITARY...what do you do then? If our generation NOW got it from our parents/grandparents, what is that person supposed to do? Even living healthy can not necessarily ensure they wont succumb to it.

 

[Sydal]

What about checkups? I mean, i can go the free clinic...but would you?

What about gun shot wounds, car accidents, bone breaks, etc...

I have gone to the free clinic. I would rather not, but I didn't have a choice. lol. If adults have children, but don't have coverage, they need to get on the government programs that exist. If an adult has no kids, no money, no insurance, there are ways for them to be covered. My boy of 21 years has not had a job in almost 3 years, but he has government coverage that allows him to go whenever and pay $5...and he does it often. If something happens to him, he has somewhere to go.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

This American attitude of I somehow totally earned whatever I have and fuck you, it's your fault if you don't have shit, is going to seriously split this country. The middle class is slowly being shown that there are external forces that delimit the majority of American lives and if your occupy the lower rung of the middle class you might be shit out of luck, wishing, hoping your country and fellowman cared about America (as a whole) and not just self and the capitalization of his brother's sorrow.

right on

 

[Sydal]

Well, you can pre-treat the flu...

Yes, you can...but they don't unless you're at risk for complications. This is why they give out free flu shots at clinics, grocery stores...EVERYWHERE!

Sitting in the Emergency Room, spreading a virus, is not the business. People with serious problems wait longer because of these folks that are just sick.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

^ media's fault . SWINE FLUE SWINE FLUE SWINE FLUE !

 

[Sydal]

This American attitude of I somehow totally earned whatever I have and fuck you, it's your fault if you don't have shit, is going to seriously split this country. The middle class is slowly being shown that there are external forces that delimit the majority of American lives and if your occupy the lower rung of the middle class you might be shit out of luck, wishing, hoping your country and fellowman cared about America (as a whole) and not just self and the capitalization of his brother's sorrow.

The sad part about that is, a lot of people sit back and mooch off anybody they can. So, some folks pass prejudgments on those that rely on government assistance. I'm not saying it's RIGHT, but I do understand. Just like I've learned in the last couple years that most people would not do shit for you, that you would do for them in a heartbeat.

Not only that, but a big part of the healthcare debate has nothing to do with people "earning what they have" and everything to do with people wanting to keep what they like. It's not really about class and all that, it's about the fact that, if the government requires companies to offer this healthcare, people will take the "cheapest" of the plans, and places like Kaiser will go under (and a lot of people like their Kaiser coverage). On top of THAT, not only will we have to still pay for our coverage, but we will be taxed to pay for other peoples coverage. So in a lot of peoples eyes, it's a lose/lose situation. Again, I can't blame them.

We pay so much in taxes already to people that don't deserve it (like the U.S. Government), and a lot of people are just sick of footing the bill for others and seeing SHIT from their own hard work.

 

[Sydal]

^ media's fault . SWINE FLUE SWINE FLUE SWINE FLUE !

I'm talking about the SEASONAL FLU! When I worked @ Kaiser between 2002 and 2004, I was amazed at how many people went to my work because they were fuckin' sneezing...or coughing.

 

[Infamy Loc]

IMO THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT HAVING UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE IN THIS COUNTRY........WE SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON WARS & BAIL OUTS YET WE CAN'T AFFORD IT?????? PLEASE......TRUTH BE TOLD IT'S NOTHING BUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES LOBBYIST IN THE EAR OF THESE POLITICIANS HOLDING BACC THIS IDEA....ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO SEE A DOCTOR OR GET A DISEASE TREATED REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE PERIOD......!