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blunt_hogg559
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IT'S BEYOND THE SYSTEM. JUST LIKE THERE'S VARIETY WITHIN' A SPECIES, SO IS THERE IN HUMANS. WE LIVE IN AN INTRICATE WORLD.


that's deep shit right there
 

I AM

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EDJ said:
SIXXNESS,
YOU STRESSED, "Yep. GCB? Ah, nevermind, LOL. I just got that. You're funny aren't ya?"

LOL. I DIDN'T WANNA SPELL IT OUT AND PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
Haha. That's "gangsta."

THEN YOU STRESSED, "race to most people is "color" but what they are really doing is labeling certain colors and putting certain values and stereotypes into that group so people can tell if you are a "good" or "bad" person by looking at you."

SEEMS TYPICAL. BUT THE THANg IS THAT YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM DOIN' THAT AND EVEN YOURSELF IS gONNA IDENTIFY WITH WHATEVA RACE. WHETHA YOU SEE THAT AS gOOD OR BAD IS UP ON THE INDIVIDUAL.

EXAMPLE:

YOU'RE A BLAK MAN IN THE SOUTH AND WANNA gO TO A SCHOOL THAT CATERS TO YOU. WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL YOU gONNA CHOOSE OR LOOK INTO? WHAT'S gONNA BE YOUR FIRST CHOICE? AND WHO IS YOUR PEOPLES?
Although I do agree, I actually try to identify with as many people as possible. Regardless of skin color, experiences can be the same. And since I am not 'black' I can't answer that 100% truthfully. But I'll say that I would probably not identify with whites because of the way most of them typically act. Then again, that's how I am now...I don't care what color you are, if you're fake, I'm not gonna identify with you, if you're real then I will. I don't base shit off of color.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Our bodies and skin are a product of our environment."

HALF TRUE.
What's the other half?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Why are Eskimos short and squat?"

CAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY BORN?
Pretty much, but it has to do with the environment they live in. If they didn't have insulation and weren't lower to the ground they'd freeze their asses off. They have lived in a certain environment and their bodies have physically adapted to it.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Cause they'd die otherwise."

HOW YOU FIgURE?
I kind of answered this above...But I guess to be fully honest, they wouldn't 100% guaranteed die. It would be much harder for them to live in their environment, hense why they have physically adapted to their environment.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I bet that you and I have more similar DNA than you and say, Mac Dre, even though I'm white."

PROBABLY, PROBABLY NOT.
I'm willing to bet you we do. But until we take a test, I can't prove it.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "But the race thing will get into a long discussion, so if you wanna talk about that part, holla at me on the PM, lol..."

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. WHAT PART OF RACE HAVEN'T I TALKED ABOUT?
What I mean was, if you want to further our discussion here, PM me, cause it's gonna get long, as it already has.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Are you asking for my opinion or a societal definition?"

WE KNOW SOCIETY IS SOME BULLSHIT, QUIK TO LABEL SHIT. I'M ASKIN' FOR YOUR OPINION.
True. My opinion...The demographics...Mainly people from Cali, 16-24. Mostly guys, although I can't say any group dominates the site because I don't know everyone. I do think though, it may have to do with why some people feel you/your ideas are controversial. I'm not completely sure. I don't find your ideas/beliefs to be controversial because I do my best to see where you're coming from. You are allowed to believe whatever you want, and I'm not anyone special to tell you otherwise, nor is anyone else.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Gangsta Rap" is rap that came from gang members or gangsters."

SO YOU HAVE TO "BE" A gANgSTA TO MAKE SOME? SO WHAT IS A gANgSTA?
For it to be "real," yes. If you rap about shit you don't do, won't do, can't do, that's fake. I don't care what the topic is or what genre of music, talking about shit you haven't done, dont' know about, can't understand etc is stupid. What is a "gangsta"? I assume you want my opinion...I would have to say a "gangsta" is anyone that is pro-gov't, can be gang members, drug dealers, people that have legit jobs that fuckin hustle. Gangsta is just another term society uses to label shit so that dumb ass people can look at it and say, "oh I know that's bad" or "oh that's my shit."

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If I'm missing something, let me know."

WELL, AS A LOT, AND NOT COMIN' FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU gONNA WANNA IDENTIFY WITH SUCH AND LIMIT YOURSELF TO SUCH IF YOU CHOOSE TO PARTAKE IN SUCH. PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN THRU ALL KIND OF SHIT AND I'LL SPEAK UP ON IT. BUT I AIN'T gONNA DO LIKE MOST OF THESE FOO'S AND KEEP BRAgKIN' OR SPEAKIN' UP ON SHIT THEY AIN'T DONE AND SOME HOPE THEY DONE AND DWELL AND LIMIT THEY ART. AS A gANgSTA, I DID MY DIRT AND SPEAK UP ON IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT DON'T MEAN I'M gONNA KEEP TALKIN' BOUT THE SAME SHIT. RAP IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT, AND N-E-BODY THAT'S REAL AIN'T gONNA DISAgREE WITH THAT. SO TO LABEL MY ART SOMETHIN', I'M JUST STIgMATIZIN' IT.
You can apply this to life, not just rap. When you label yourself you stigmatize yourself and others see you as that, but not your definition. They see you as whatever by their definition. I also agree constantly bragging and speaking on shit you haven't done limits a person.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "As to WHO labeled that....I'd say corporate white America since they do all the labeling (music and otherwise)."

YUP. AND SOME(INCLUDIN' THIS SITE) DONE RAN AWAY OR ATTEMPTIN' TO RUN AWAY WITH IT.
What do you mean by that? Run with the label of "gangsta rap"?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's rooted in African culture...Almost said African American, but I caught myself."

BOTH. BUT ITS AFRICAN RHYTHMS THE FOUNDATION.
Again here are our good friend, "labels."

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Race was made to separate people based on prejudged abilities that each "race" has."

SO YOU SAYIN' (gOD) MADE EACH RACE TO SEPERATE? OR THAT EVOLUTION JUST SO HAPPENED TO THINK ABOUT IT TO MAKE IT THAT WAY?
I dont' believe in a "god." And I don't believe evolution is a concious being so it cannot think. I'm saying MAN made race. When people couldn't talk, I doubt they had a hand signal that said, "watch out here comes one of those black people." Race was made to separate people and keep them separated. I believe it is a social contruct that's made up. Complete bullshit in other words.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "My earlier example of an Eskimo comes to mind....Now someone that lives in a hot place (say Kenya for example), will be thinner and slimmer (typically). Who is gonna be better at basketball, the short, squate Eskimo (who lives in snow and ice), or the tall slim dude that's use to hot temperatures? The same system that you dislike, is the system that put into your head that race is something real."

IT'S BEYOND THE SYSTEM. JUST LIKE THERE'S VARIETY WITHIN' A SPECIES, SO IS THERE IN HUMANS. WE LIVE IN AN INTRICATE WORLD.
I'm not sayin otherwise. I just believe human being label shit to separate things into "good" and "bad" catagories. I give most of this credit to religion because they are the ones that constantly bombard society with how they think society should be and what kind of values and morals everyone should have....When in reality, it's all on the individual to make that choice. Let's agree to disagree on this, cause I don't believe it's beyond the system (not just America's system, every one of them from the past to present). And to add, those species are labeled by man/society. The same entity that labels people in order to keep them separated.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It is what it is, or is not. Depends on what you believe."

AND THIS IS WHERE YOU gO LEFT AND I gO RIgHT. WHETHA YOU BELIEVE THIS OR THAT THE INTEgRITY OF THE MATTER REVEALS THE TRUTH. IF SOME UNCLE TOM ASS NIgKA THAT'S DARKER THAN WESLEY SNIPES THINK HE IS WHITE, IS HE REALLY WHITE(NOT MENTALLY)? WILL HE NOT BE PREJUDgED AND PERCEIVED AS ANOTHA BROTHA WHETHA HE DENIES HIS RACE?
That's a wildcard..lol..To answer your question, no he isn't "white." But that is because of a visual difference in skin color. Then again, we're just gonna get into labels more and more. I can't say, "he might act white" cause there isn't such a thing. People just have stereotypes in their head that they cannot overcome.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Just cause someone tells you race is real, doesn't mean it is."

NOBODY gOTTA TELL ME SHIT. THE SHIT IS AS REAL AS IT gETS.
People believing race is real makes it real. If people didn't bother labeling people by skin color there wouldn't a problem with it. If people were blind to skin color, we'd all be better off.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " But then again, just cause someone says it's not doesn't mean it's not. I just think separating people based on color or where they came from is fucking stupid."

JUST CAUSE YOU THINK IT'S STUPID DOESN'T MEAN IT IS.
This is true, I was simply expressing my personal opinion.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "For what?"

FOR MAKIN' THAT POINT.
You're welcome.
 

KALYN

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Dirty Shoez said:
D.B.A., Publishing, Copyrights, Royalties, Replication vs Duplication, Harry Fox, IPRs.....these are things that are not being discussed anywhere on Siccness, and that do not require tens of thousands of albums sold to give basic instructions and follow-up information. With the amount of fake rappers out there polluting the market, you would THINK that you'd WANT THESE topics discussed. Then again, your contempt for anything other than Networking and Friend-Making knows no bounds.




Of course these topics would be a good thing.. to be posted, open for discussion and opinion... BUT...YOU feel the need to "tell" others how to do X, Y and Z without ever having DONE shit. You insult and critisize when you have no room.. you speak as if you are a power player, when in all reality, youre not... you've burned bridges and talked shit to just about everyone and in turn they tell you to go fuck yourself. So you pressed up a mixtape, or whatever the hell that thingy was, and sold it off in your hometown-- wooopeee..!
.. Sure.. there are many people on the Sicc that are one way online and then you meet them in real life and they wouldnt whisper a harsh word but youve talked shit to people on the boards that arent that way... and now you couldnt attend a show or an event as a FAN without being served up... I have contempt for many things in life, your personality just happens to be one of them.
 

HERESY

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#44
Discussed in the studio forum before. Instructions on how to file were given numerous times.

Publishing
Discussed in the studio forum MANY times. Direct Links to www.ascap.com and www.bmi.com were provided (along with non-american services.)

Copyrights
F.A.Q in the studio forum. Form S.R. and Form P.A. were explained and direct links were given.

Royalties
Computation charts were given, explanations were provided and even services such as Taxi were mentioned.

Replication vs Duplication
Another F.A.Q which was explained numerous times in the studio forum. Links were given explaining the differences between the two (methods,use,price) and where to get the services done. Also attention was given to those who had questions pertaining to records (12 inch), the THREE L's and the trade offs between each one.

Harry Fox
This was covered with the numerous taxi,ascap and bmi topics.

Also covered under publishing and copyright topics.

How do I know all of these things were discussed in the studio forum? Well, I know because I contributed each time. Now I must admit, we don't have any topics like that now (now meaning currently being discussed), but how many members even know the studio forum exists? Not many. However, a lot of these topics had a shitload of repeats and the mod simply deleted them and directed them to the older threads. ALL of the shit you're talking about has been handled by sickwidit, bumpus, nonstop, jayda, d-sane (when he was around), myself and others in the studio forum.
 
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I did not realize those things were being discussed in such concentration. That was my mistake. But that forum, I still believe, is inadequate to meet the needs and demands of such a board that I am talking about.

If label forums can be around and be dead, and others can be completely useless and unrelated to Music (Video Games), then surely this board is not too much to ask for.

Leave the Rappers their Flows forum. Leave the Beat-Makers/Producers/Engineers their Studio forum. Create for ALL (including those interested in working behind the scenes as roadies, flyer-passers, show promoters, CEOs, and everything inbetween) a forum that will have those important discussions about Paperwork, New Audiences, and these other things you usually only find in books.

KALYN said:
Of course these topics would be a good
thing.. to be posted, open for discussion and opinion... BUT...YOU feel the need to "tell" others how to do X, Y and Z without ever having DONE shit. You insult and critisize when you have no room.. you speak as if you are a power player, when in all reality, youre not... you've burned bridges and talked shit to just about everyone and in turn they tell you to go fuck yourself. So you pressed up a mixtape, or whatever the hell that thingy was, and sold it off in your hometown-- wooopeee..!
Pause......so you passed out flyers, and sold magazines...wooopeee...???

What was the last show YOU did, Kalyn? When was the last time YOU performed, Kalyn? When was the last time YOU recorded and sent off a master to be pressed, Kalyn? What experience do YOU have, IN FRONT OF the scenes, Kalyn?

Well then.....How do YOU think YOU are going to relate to these Rappers and Producers, OTHER THAN name-dropping like you KNOW you'd be REQUIRED to do to get ANY KIND of credibility?

.. Sure.. there are many people on the Sicc that are one way online and then you meet them in real life and they wouldnt whisper a harsh word but youve talked shit to people on the boards that arent that way... and now you couldnt attend a show or an event as a FAN without being served up... I have contempt for many things in life, your personality just happens to be one of them.
Boo hoo hoo, Kalyn thinks I can't go to shows. You see, ma chere, the problem is everyone I've ever met from Siccness offline has NOT had a problem with me (DO THE RESEARCH!), EVEN THOUGH I've had differences with them ALL online. WHY? Because when you see me in person and realize I'm the REAL DEAL, there is no NEED TO get into the petty arguments.

Its one thing to honestly believe that how well someone types is directly proportional to how akward they are in person, or to think someone pompous for typing out several-paragraph rants and commentaries.....it is a whole other thing ENTIRELY to talk to someone who REALLY KNOWS what it is they're talking about--instantly--and that doesn't talk over you, that doesn't interrupt you, and that is always listening and paying attention to what you are saying, FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION WHEREVER IT MAY GO; not just spitting back pre-memorized garbage to try and impress you.

You hear me talk about making your money count, and then you see me and I'm not wearing $100 sneakers and $300 coats. You hear me talk about how putting out a product is more important than stuffing it with features and "big names" and bullshit, and then you realize I'm not wearing chains and earrings and these things.

I'm a simple man with a simple plan, and that is about the end of it. I know what I am talking about, despite my limited experience and small-town upbringing, and other people hate that. Not my fault.
 
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Sixxness said:
- Keep conversations going (by any means necessary)
- Say the things that will put diverted arguments back on subject (without needing to threaten people)

Does anyone else see the contradiction? ANY MEANS NECESSARY VS WITHOUT NEEDING TO THREATEN PEOPLE.....

Any means constitutes threating if it gets to that.
And I'm sure our friend Malcolm X intended to include things like GENOCIDE and GANG RAPE OF ANIMALS in his own definition of the phrase...right, sport?

No Conversations = No Thread Views.
No Thread Views = No money.
Please realize this.

There is a difference between making a casual joke, and then subtly returning to the topic at hand (Fridge is a master at this), and directly threatening someone WITH Banishment if they DO NOT get back to the topic at hand. It is a basic skill that ANY good mod should have and be able to pull off.
 

KALYN

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Dirty Shoez said:
Pause......so you passed out flyers, and sold magazines...wooopeee...???



.. :) I dont pass out flyers dork... lol... I have two street teams that do that.. and the mag is free unless I have to ship it.
 

Rasan

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ummm i don't think the siccness makes money off of conversation..the sicc shop is makin dem money. advertisements are makin them money. siccness personalities do not generate a revenue for the siccness. if kalyn, oh coy, shea, slowpoke, and even you tadou, and many other "vets", including myself, were gone today, the siccness would go on, making money.
 
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Ra$an said:
ummm i don't think the siccness makes money off of conversation..the sicc shop is makin dem money. advertisements are makin them money. siccness personalities do not generate a revenue for the siccness. if kalyn, oh coy, shea, slowpoke, and even you tadou, and many other "vets", including myself, were gone today, the siccness would go on, making money.
Friend, without continuous traffic and discussion and thread views, there would BE NO advertisements.

Forums like these, the GOM, help because you don't need to log-in to participate. You can simply come here, and see both sides of the argument, and see everyone making a fool out of themselves for pages at a time.

But....WITHOUT that other side, usually the Conservative side, then all you have is Marxists/Socialists and Democrats...and that doesn't work very well. The forum just turns into an "I hate how they..."/"Yeah! And I hate how they..." forum, where everybody attacks and nobody defends.

But...again...no thread views, no ad money. If anything, you should be WORRIED about the Sicc Shop keeping this forum alive, because if sales get TOO HIGH, then this board becomes a liability, and NOT an asset, and forums will start disappearing.



KALYN said:
.. :) I dont pass out flyers dork... lol... I have two street teams that do that.. and the mag is free unless I have to ship it.
Last I checked, you were selling magazines and having people PayPal you money. "Nothing is Free"...isnt that something they teach you in Business 101? Did you ever TAKE Business 101, friend Kalyn?

You are a foot-soldier, dear. That is what it boils down to. You are not an Artist. You are not a Producer. You do not an Engineer. You are not a CEO. You are not an Investor. You work the streets, scout potential show sites, and generally do manual labor. I am sorry that the truth hurts.
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
- Be around, and post from time to time.
- Make threads that matter, and that relate to the audience.
- Keep conversations going (by any means necessary)
- Say the things that will put diverted arguments back on subject (without needing to threaten people)
- As I said I am around, just don't post much anymore. Wife, 5 kids, full-time job, several websites to help run and small business ventures, etc. I'm a busy cat dude. However, recently I've changed jobs. Unlike the last one, I'll be able to visit the site more during the day now. So, while I still may not post for the sake of posting, you'll see my name as "browsing" this forum more often.

- Thread creation by myself is unnecessary. This place is adequetly active on its own. If I need to play Tupperware host, then this place should probably go the way of the Dodo altogether.

- Totally not my job. Nor in my or anyone else's best interest. If a thread dies for lack of input/relevance/group interest, it deserved it. Where one may die, 5-6 good ones always take its place.

-While I agree that off-topic flamewars (i.e. the current one between Six and EDJ and yourself vs. severalmembers) are mostly taxing and a distraction, they're often humerous and worth a laugh or two. I let them ride. Those GOM members that wish to be cheaply entertained or just enjoy a good bantering can read and comment. Others can simply keep it moving and create/post to new threads. Now if a member keeps trying to steer the thread back on track and the two combatants keep throwing it off track, I would be required intervene and ask them to take it outside.
 
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Nevermind it then.

Welcome Back

Ra$an said:
ok you are right...interest=view, views=sales for the sicc shop etc...
but just because YOU don't post don't 29,000 other cats won't...
why do you make it seem like the world revolves around you?
Take it for what its worth...but there's really no need to make it seem that way.

I'm a Top-of-the-Line Conservative in a Liberal forum, and hardly ever get a scratch on me. You'd be lying to yourself if you said there isn't a good amount of people out there that, while being entertained by the normal activity, are put over-the-top by this unique position I find myself in.

This Forum doesn't need to revolve around me. The point is that, when I take my breaks, the whole orbit is thrown off. There aren't many other posters you can say that about.