EDJ said:
SIXXNESS,
YOU STRESSED, "Yep. GCB? Ah, nevermind, LOL. I just got that. You're funny aren't ya?"
LOL. I DIDN'T WANNA SPELL IT OUT AND PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
Haha. That's "gangsta."
THEN YOU STRESSED, "race to most people is "color" but what they are really doing is labeling certain colors and putting certain values and stereotypes into that group so people can tell if you are a "good" or "bad" person by looking at you."
SEEMS TYPICAL. BUT THE THANg IS THAT YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM DOIN' THAT AND EVEN YOURSELF IS gONNA IDENTIFY WITH WHATEVA RACE. WHETHA YOU SEE THAT AS gOOD OR BAD IS UP ON THE INDIVIDUAL.
EXAMPLE:
YOU'RE A BLAK MAN IN THE SOUTH AND WANNA gO TO A SCHOOL THAT CATERS TO YOU. WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL YOU gONNA CHOOSE OR LOOK INTO? WHAT'S gONNA BE YOUR FIRST CHOICE? AND WHO IS YOUR PEOPLES?
Although I do agree, I actually try to identify with as many people as possible. Regardless of skin color, experiences can be the same. And since I am not 'black' I can't answer that 100% truthfully. But I'll say that I would probably not identify with whites because of the way most of them typically act. Then again, that's how I am now...I don't care what color you are, if you're fake, I'm not gonna identify with you, if you're real then I will. I don't base shit off of color.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Our bodies and skin are a product of our environment."
HALF TRUE.
What's the other half?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Why are Eskimos short and squat?"
CAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY BORN?
Pretty much, but it has to do with the environment they live in. If they didn't have insulation and weren't lower to the ground they'd freeze their asses off. They have lived in a certain environment and their bodies have physically adapted to it.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Cause they'd die otherwise."
HOW YOU FIgURE?
I kind of answered this above...But I guess to be fully honest, they wouldn't 100% guaranteed die. It would be much harder for them to live in their environment, hense why they have physically adapted to their environment.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "I bet that you and I have more similar DNA than you and say, Mac Dre, even though I'm white."
PROBABLY, PROBABLY NOT.
I'm willing to bet you we do. But until we take a test, I can't prove it.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "But the race thing will get into a long discussion, so if you wanna talk about that part, holla at me on the PM, lol..."
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. WHAT PART OF RACE HAVEN'T I TALKED ABOUT?
What I mean was, if you want to further our discussion here, PM me, cause it's gonna get long, as it already has.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Are you asking for my opinion or a societal definition?"
WE KNOW SOCIETY IS SOME BULLSHIT, QUIK TO LABEL SHIT. I'M ASKIN' FOR YOUR OPINION.
True. My opinion...The demographics...Mainly people from Cali, 16-24. Mostly guys, although I can't say any group dominates the site because I don't know everyone. I do think though, it may have to do with why some people feel you/your ideas are controversial. I'm not completely sure. I don't find your ideas/beliefs to be controversial because I do my best to see where you're coming from. You are allowed to believe whatever you want, and I'm not anyone special to tell you otherwise, nor is anyone else.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Gangsta Rap" is rap that came from gang members or gangsters."
SO YOU HAVE TO "BE" A gANgSTA TO MAKE SOME? SO WHAT IS A gANgSTA?
For it to be "real," yes. If you rap about shit you don't do, won't do, can't do, that's fake. I don't care what the topic is or what genre of music, talking about shit you haven't done, dont' know about, can't understand etc is stupid. What is a "gangsta"? I assume you want my opinion...I would have to say a "gangsta" is anyone that is pro-gov't, can be gang members, drug dealers, people that have legit jobs that fuckin hustle. Gangsta is just another term society uses to label shit so that dumb ass people can look at it and say, "oh I know that's bad" or "oh that's my shit."
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If I'm missing something, let me know."
WELL, AS A LOT, AND NOT COMIN' FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU gONNA WANNA IDENTIFY WITH SUCH AND LIMIT YOURSELF TO SUCH IF YOU CHOOSE TO PARTAKE IN SUCH. PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN THRU ALL KIND OF SHIT AND I'LL SPEAK UP ON IT. BUT I AIN'T gONNA DO LIKE MOST OF THESE FOO'S AND KEEP BRAgKIN' OR SPEAKIN' UP ON SHIT THEY AIN'T DONE AND SOME HOPE THEY DONE AND DWELL AND LIMIT THEY ART. AS A gANgSTA, I DID MY DIRT AND SPEAK UP ON IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT DON'T MEAN I'M gONNA KEEP TALKIN' BOUT THE SAME SHIT. RAP IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT, AND N-E-BODY THAT'S REAL AIN'T gONNA DISAgREE WITH THAT. SO TO LABEL MY ART SOMETHIN', I'M JUST STIgMATIZIN' IT.
You can apply this to life, not just rap. When you label yourself you stigmatize yourself and others see you as that, but not your definition. They see you as whatever by their definition. I also agree constantly bragging and speaking on shit you haven't done limits a person.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "As to WHO labeled that....I'd say corporate white America since they do all the labeling (music and otherwise)."
YUP. AND SOME(INCLUDIN' THIS SITE) DONE RAN AWAY OR ATTEMPTIN' TO RUN AWAY WITH IT.
What do you mean by that? Run with the label of "gangsta rap"?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's rooted in African culture...Almost said African American, but I caught myself."
BOTH. BUT ITS AFRICAN RHYTHMS THE FOUNDATION.
Again here are our good friend, "labels."
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Race was made to separate people based on prejudged abilities that each "race" has."
SO YOU SAYIN' (gOD) MADE EACH RACE TO SEPERATE? OR THAT EVOLUTION JUST SO HAPPENED TO THINK ABOUT IT TO MAKE IT THAT WAY?
I dont' believe in a "god." And I don't believe evolution is a concious being so it cannot think. I'm saying MAN made race. When people couldn't talk, I doubt they had a hand signal that said, "watch out here comes one of those black people." Race was made to separate people and keep them separated. I believe it is a social contruct that's made up. Complete bullshit in other words.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "My earlier example of an Eskimo comes to mind....Now someone that lives in a hot place (say Kenya for example), will be thinner and slimmer (typically). Who is gonna be better at basketball, the short, squate Eskimo (who lives in snow and ice), or the tall slim dude that's use to hot temperatures? The same system that you dislike, is the system that put into your head that race is something real."
IT'S BEYOND THE SYSTEM. JUST LIKE THERE'S VARIETY WITHIN' A SPECIES, SO IS THERE IN HUMANS. WE LIVE IN AN INTRICATE WORLD.
I'm not sayin otherwise. I just believe human being label shit to separate things into "good" and "bad" catagories. I give most of this credit to religion because they are the ones that constantly bombard society with how they think society should be and what kind of values and morals everyone should have....When in reality, it's all on the individual to make that choice. Let's agree to disagree on this, cause I don't believe it's beyond the system (not just America's system, every one of them from the past to present). And to add, those species are labeled by man/society. The same entity that labels people in order to keep them separated.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It is what it is, or is not. Depends on what you believe."
AND THIS IS WHERE YOU gO LEFT AND I gO RIgHT. WHETHA YOU BELIEVE THIS OR THAT THE INTEgRITY OF THE MATTER REVEALS THE TRUTH. IF SOME UNCLE TOM ASS NIgKA THAT'S DARKER THAN WESLEY SNIPES THINK HE IS WHITE, IS HE REALLY WHITE(NOT MENTALLY)? WILL HE NOT BE PREJUDgED AND PERCEIVED AS ANOTHA BROTHA WHETHA HE DENIES HIS RACE?
That's a wildcard..lol..To answer your question, no he isn't "white." But that is because of a visual difference in skin color. Then again, we're just gonna get into labels more and more. I can't say, "he might act white" cause there isn't such a thing. People just have stereotypes in their head that they cannot overcome.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Just cause someone tells you race is real, doesn't mean it is."
NOBODY gOTTA TELL ME SHIT. THE SHIT IS AS REAL AS IT gETS.
People believing race is real makes it real. If people didn't bother labeling people by skin color there wouldn't a problem with it. If people were blind to skin color, we'd all be better off.
THEN YOU STRESSED, " But then again, just cause someone says it's not doesn't mean it's not. I just think separating people based on color or where they came from is fucking stupid."
JUST CAUSE YOU THINK IT'S STUPID DOESN'T MEAN IT IS.
This is true, I was simply expressing my personal opinion.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "For what?"
FOR MAKIN' THAT POINT.
You're welcome.