Thoughts on the Uprisings in North Africa and Middle East?

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May 13, 2002
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"I am in Tripoli and not in Venezuela. Do not believe the channels belonging to stray dogs," Gaddafi told Libyan state TV, which said he was speaking outside his house on Tuesday
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Reports on Monday said Gaddafi had fled to Venezuela.

Gaddafi, in his first televised appearance since protests to topple him started last week, was holding an umbrella in the rain and leaning out of a van.

"I wanted to say something to the youths at the Green Square (in Tripoli) and stay up late with them but it started raining. Thank God, it's a good thing," Gaddafi said in a 22-second appearance.

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Seems to me Gadafi isn't going to have control of the military much longer. You can't expect the military to fire on innocent people for long, not when it's their families and friends
 
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I think Gaddafi is going to commit suicide or he'll be killed in the coming days/hours. That speech earlier today just had that kind of feel to it.

and lol @ both Gaddafi and Mubarak speaking in the 3rd person.


Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, has vowed to fight on and die a "martyr", calling on his supporters to take back the streets from protesters demanding his ouster, shouting and pounding his fist in a furious speech on state TV.

Gaddafi, clad in brown robes and turban, spoke on Tuesday from a podium set up in the entrance of a bombed-out building that appeared to be his Tripoli residence hit by US air raids in the 1980s and left unrepaired as a monument of defiance.

"I am a fighter, a revolutionary from tents ... I will die as a martyr at the end," he said.

"Muammar Gaddafi is the leader of the revolution, I am not a president to step down ... This is my country. Muammar is not a president to leave his post."

"I have not yet ordered the use of force, not yet ordered one bullet to be fired ... when I do, everything will burn."
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He called on supporters to take to the streets to attack protesters. "You men and women who love Gaddafi ...get out of your homes and fill the streets," he said. "Leave your homes and attack them in their lairs ... Starting tomorrow the cordons will be lifted, go out and fight them."

Gaddafi said "peaceful protests is one thing, but armed rebellion is another".

"From tonight to tomorrow, all the young men should form local committees for popular security," he said, telling them to wear a green armband to identify themselves. "The Libyan people and the popular revolution will control Libya."

The speech, which appeared to have been taped earlier, was aired on a screen to hundreds of supporters massed in Tripoli's central Green Square.

At times the camera panned out to show a towering gold-coloured monument in front of the building, showing a fist crushing a fighter jet with an American flag on it - a view that also gave the strange image of Gaddafi speaking alone from behind a podium in the building's dilapidated lobby, with no audience in front of him.

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Shouting in the rambling speech, Gaddafi declared himself "a warrior" and proclaimed: "Libya wants glory, Libya wants to be at the pinnacle, at the pinnacle of the world".

Among the other points made by Gaddafi in his speech:

He called on the people to catch what he called drugged young people and bring them to justice.

He called on the people to "cleanse Libya house by house" unless protesters on the streets surrendered.

He warned that instability in Libya "will give al-Qaeda a base".

He cited the examples of an attack on Russian parliament and China's crushing of the 1989 Tiananmen Square uprising, saying that the international community did not interfere.

He said he could do the same in Derna and Bayda.

He offered a new constitution starting from Wednesday, but this would come with dialogue, not by collaboration with the enemy.

He blamed the uprising on Islamists who wanted to create another Afghanistan, and warned that those in Bayda and Derna had already set up an Islamic Emirate that would reach Benghazi.

He said that the country's youth was drugged and did not know anything; they were following the Islamists' leader and their leaders would be punished with death in accordance with the Libyan law.

Just hours after Gaddafi's speech, Libya's interior minister, General Abdul-Fatah Younis, announced his defection and support for what he called the "February 17 revolution".

In a video obtained by Al Jazeera, he was seen sitting on a desk reading a statement that also urged the Libyan army to join the people and their "legitimate demands".​
 
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he's losing the military. I've seen videos of protesters and soldiers uniting and shaking hands. It's just a matter of time before he loses complete control of the military.

This is basic stuff I learned in my socialist studies 10 years ago. When protests get so big and the oppressive regimes order the military to crush them, they'll lose the support because that's their family, that's their friends that's their people they are being asked to shoot. Eventually the military becomes too sympathetic with the protesters and join them. Same shit in Egypt. What could Mubarak do without the military? Not a damn thing.
 
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Yeah, but this shit had to be in the making. You don't get that organized over night.
are you suggesting that foreign interests are taking advantage of the recent mid-east uprisings and making a play @ Kaddafi????

what nation has the most to gain with Kaddafi out of power????
 
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the US actually loves these dictators that's why when Mubarak was being threatened at first Obama offered his support to him and talked about how there needs to be a "transitional period" in no way did they want their puppet to fall, only after shit got so bad was Obama forced to make comments in support of the protesters.

And currently the Nobel Peace Prize winner hasn't said a single word on Libya.
 

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why not? as long as the tension is there and the desire for change exists, all it takes is one single event to spark a movement. This has happened throughout history. This all started with Tunisia and it spread like wildfire.
Tension and desire can be there 24/7 but I'm talking about how well these things are organized and how swiftly they've been able to come together.
 

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are you suggesting that foreign interests are taking advantage of the recent mid-east uprisings and making a play @ Kaddafi????

what nation has the most to gain with Kaddafi out of power????
In regards to the first question that is a possibility.

In regards to the second question, I think it is more of who stands to gain with the entire region being in disarray and not so much as who gains when one or two puppets are removed from power.