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Obama doesn't get it!



Obama backs Mubarak’s bid to retain power

By Peter Symonds
2 February 2011


The battle lines in Egypt are being drawn. On the one side, huge protests in Cairo and other cities, estimated at more than a million, demanded that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and his regime immediately go. On the other, Mubarak thumbed his nose at the demonstrators and announced his intention to serve out his term of office until presidential elections due in September.

Shortly after Mubarak’s speech, US President Barack Obama endorsed his Egyptian ally’s plan to cling to office until September. In a brief White House address, Obama, who had just spoken to Mubarak for 30 minutes, reiterated the longstanding “partnership” between the United States and Egypt, spoke of the need for an immediate and orderly “transition” to democratic reform, and pointedly refused to back the popular demand for Mubarak to step down.

Obama’s aim is all too clear: to keep Mubarak in office for as long as possible while fashioning a regime to prop up bourgeois rule and uphold the strategic and economic interests of US imperialism in the region. This inevitably means relying on the military to suppress popular opposition.

Obama’s determination to back Mubarak exposes the rank hypocrisy of his declarations of support for “democracy” and the rights of the Egyptian people. Washington has relied on the Egyptian dictator as a cornerstone of American policy throughout the Middle East for the past three decades, tacitly sanctioning his regime’s repression and even using its torturers for the US rendition program.

The US position stands in direct opposition to the sentiments of the Egyptian people, who turned out in their hundreds of thousands on Tuesday to call for an immediate end to the present regime. In Cairo’s Tahrir Square, demonstrators chanted: “He [Mubarak] goes, we are not going” and “Revolution! Revolution until victory!” Protestors carried signs simply declaring: “Game over,” “Checkmate” and “Get out”. A 19-year-old student told Bloomberg: “We want the whole regime to change, starting from Hosni Mubarak. We don’t accept [Vice President] Omar Suleiman or anyone else.”

Earlier in the day, protesters streamed into Cairo from other areas despite efforts to block travel to the city by halting train and bus services, and setting up roadblocks. Large protests were held as well in other major cities, including Suez and Alexandria, where tens of thousands participated.

Reports were vague about the impact of the call for an indefinite general strike, but many shops and businesses were closed. Cargo operations at the ports of Alexandria and Damietta were at a standstill. “Customs officials are not there. There is nobody to operate the cranes. You could say the country has effectively shut down,” Dan Delany, a Lloyd’s of London agent, told Reuters.

Expectations were high among the protesters. News agencies reported a festive atmosphere. But the mood quickly changed to disbelief and denunciation following Mubarak’s speech. The CNN correspondent on the spot in Tahrir Square declared that she had never seen the crowd so angry. Some declared the speech an insult. Others waved their shoes in the air to show extreme disapproval. Large crowds remained in the square in defiance of the night-time curfew.

Mubarak’s speech contained a definite threat. While declaring that the young people who had initiated the protests had legitimate grievances, the president added that the opposition movement had been “exploited” by political groups that wanted to destroy the constitution and others who engaged in looting. After announcing that he would stand aside in September, Mubarak declared that it was his responsibility in the coming months to “establish stability” and alluded to measures to deal with those involved in criminal acts.

Mubarak and the Obama administration are clearly counting on the military to contain and ultimately suppress the mass opposition to the dictator’s continued rule. To date, the army has declared that it will not use force to silence “legitimate” demands for reform. But as one US official told Associated Press, the military leadership is allowing protestors to “wear themselves out”. Behind the scenes, the generals are making their preparations for repression when they judge that the time is right.

In his comments yesterday, Obama hypocritically declared that it was not “the role of any other country to determine Egypt’s leaders”. Yet US officials were frantically engaged in discussions throughout the day to do precisely that. While US special envoy Frank Wisner spoke to leading figures in the Mubarak government, Defence Secretary Robert Gates was sounding out the military hierarchy in a phone conversation with his Egyptian counterpart, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi.

Obama’s short speech was the outcome of these deliberations. The White House has decided to throw its weight behind the present regime, rather than turn to an untested coalition of opposition parties headed by Mohammed ElBaradei.

While Obama called for the “transition” process to begin now and to include opposition figures, any involvement will be on Washington’s terms. In effect, the US has rejected the proposals of the opposition National Association for Change for an emergency transitional government, which would include Vice President Suleiman and army Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Sami Annan, to oversee constitutional change and new parliamentary elections.

In response to Mubarak’s speech, ElBaradei declared that the regime had lost its legitimacy, adding that only the president’s resignation would bring stability. At the same time, however, he held a phone conversation with the US ambassador to Egypt, Margaret Scobey. Other opposition leaders have begun talks with Vice President Suleiman, according to Al Arabiya, despite previous declarations that Mubarak had to first go.

Far from representing the interests of working people, these opposition groups are functioning as vital safety valves to dissipate the anti-Mubarak uprising.

The movement is facing serious dangers. None of the demands of those protesting on the streets for basic democratic rights and decent living standards can be met by any section of the Egyptian bourgeoisie—either Mubarak and his cronies or the various opposition figures and parties that now posture as “democrats”. The working class can fight for its interests only by mobilising independently and drawing to its side sections of young people and the urban and rural poor in the revolutionary struggle for a workers’ government and socialist policies.
 

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I've spoke to 3 or 4 different people about this here, and all of them have said something along the lines of "those people are uncivilized animals. Why do they always result to violence?". But the reality of the situation is, the way those people live is so far from what we are acustomed to, and the average person here does not understand them..
That's Alberta for you.
 
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So the government has been PAYING people to stage rallies in support of Mubarak! haha
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41391738/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/?from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=43001
http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article250059.ece
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12350643



Makes no difference:


The BBC's Ian Pannell in Tahrir Square: "Anti-government protesters have pushed Mubarak supporters from Tahrir Square"



Anti-government protesters in Egypt have fought back against supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, pushing them out of some streets in central Cairo which they controlled.

Stones were thrown on both sides, and some gunshots have been heard.

The army, which was trying to separate the two sides, appears to have failed to control the crowds.

The clashes came as the vice-president said Mr Mubarak's son Gamal would not stand for president.

In a TV address on Tuesday, President Mubarak said he would stand down at presidential elections later this year, but said nothing about his son.

Earlier PM Ahmed Shafiq apologised for the fighting, which has killed nine and wounded hundreds.

He pledged to investigate the violence, calling it a "disaster".

The protesters are demanding that Mr Mubarak, who has ruled for 30 years, step down immediately.

The BBC's Jeremy Bowen in Tahrir Square says they are now more determined than ever.

The square looks for the first time like a revolutionary scene, with barricades, flags and men with bandages around their heads, he adds.

Tension is also high in the second city, Alexandria, where one of the country's largest shopping malls has been ransacked by looters.​

More LULZ

Mobile phone firm Vodafone has accused the Egyptian authorities of using its network to send unattributed text messages supporting the government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12357694





I wonder when Mubarak will realize he can either stay there and DIE or leave and live in some European country for the rest of his life?
 
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And it continues to spread like wildfire:

Moroccan government fears outbreak of mass protests


As millions of people march in Egyptian cities and protests continue in Tunisia after the ouster of former dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, the Moroccan monarchy fears that it may be the next to face mass protests.

According to reports on Spanish public television, Moroccan troops are being sent towards major Moroccan cities, including Casablanca and Rabat, from their bases in the Western Sahara. The Moroccan embassy in Madrid denounced this report.

Pro-government newspapers in Morocco also criticized statements by dissident journalist Abubakr Jamai in French news magazine Le Nouvel Observateur. Jamai said that if protests broke out in Morocco, “the disparities in wealth are such that the rebellion will be much bloodier than in Tunisia.”

However, fears of mass social protest are being raised even by members of Morocco’s royal family. In an interview with the Spanish daily El País, Prince Mulay Hicham, the cousin of King Mohamed VI, warned: “Almost every authoritarian system will be affected by this wave of protest, Morocco will probably be no exception”.​
 
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Disclaimer: Like everybody we are struggling to keep up with the events. This is just a sketch limited by the fragmented, partial and biased information we can find online and in print. The words “protest” and “protesters” are used in the widest sense here.

The Present Situation

The current revolutionary wave started 6 weeks ago in a poor working class suburb of Sidi Bouzid, Tunisia when an unemployed man publicly burned himself after being abused and humiliated by police and public officials. Four weeks later the dictator Ben Ali fled to Saudi Arabia. Since then revolt has spread to Egypt, Algeria, Jordan, Yemen, Libya and Sudan. Syrian youths are planning demonstrations and even in Albania protesters have gained confidence from Tunisian example. Now, the Egyptian dictatorship of Hosni Mubarak is struggling for survival and even the mighty Chinese government is taking no chances and censoring the word “Egypt” from the local Internet.


In Egypt, demonstrations have been the largest in generations. Protests started a week ago with the feeling everywhere that the “wall of fear began to collapse.”1 Since then the police have been beaten from the streets while their stations and ruling party headquarters were torched. Today, on the streets there is a feeling protesters have already won and the military is promising to not attack the massive crowds. Getting this far has not been easy since repression has been intense: besides the usual violence of beatings and tear gas, the State has employed live bullets and various gangs of thugs (many of them police officers, some just regular gangsters) to terrorize everyone while attributing it to “chaos”.

Crucially, the military in Egypt, much as in Tunisia earlier, is not being turned against the protesters. It seems the regime and it’s international allies are struggling to calibrate the level of violence. They are afraid to give in and afraid to further anger everyone. The ordinary soldiers on the street and protesting Egyptians are getting along fairly well (for how long is uncertain), so there is a possibility the military fears mutiny. At the same time, as long as the revolt remains restricted to political demands, the military leaders see a welcoming place for themselves in any new political order. No one knows if Egypt will follow a similar path to Tunisia, but that seems increasingly likely. The stakes are high: if the current regime gets kicked out, all dictators in the region will be in danger and the world order centered on US imperialism will be seriously damaged.

The most recent events in Tunisia represent this movement’s possible limits. After protesters, rioters and striking workers forced out Ben Ali, the interim government, staffed almost entirely by members of Ben Ali’s party, RCD (which he himself built) promised to hold elections in 90 days. No one took that seriously and continued to revolt until the interim prime minister and Ben Ali’s buddy, Mohamed Ghannouchi, kicked most of the RCD ministers out. At that point, the opposition political forces (very distinct from the self-organized masses) saw a good spot for themselves in the future government and called for return to order.

Remaining protesters were isolated and recently were seriously beaten back by the interim government. This seems to be the favored outcome for the US government and for the global ruling class: a new, gentler interim strongman if necessary and a controlled transition to multi-party liberal democracy to inoculate against the danger of social revolution. In the longer term, the ruling class hopes are misplaced. In Tunisia, in Egypt, and everywhere else, these powerful revolts exploded against the everyday misery of poverty and unemployment. To many workers and young people in the streets these daily problems appear to be caused by the corruption and kleptocracy of their local dictators. There is truth to that, but in the age of universal austerity honest liberal democratic governments are pushing more people into poverty just the same. Finally, there is no certainty that in Tunisia the revolution is done – the events of last 6 weeks have been unpredictable.

What Kind of Revolution?

Demands on the street make it clear these are political revolutions. In Egypt, “Mubarak out” is the basic slogan. These are genuinely popular revolts – nothing like the hollow color revolutions from before (“Jasmine Revolution” is not a popular term in Tunisia2 ). Looking at their tactics, composition, and organization these revolts appear to go much farther than change in government.

Everywhere, left-wing parties and non-hardline, populist Islamists, despite being the most prominent examples of opposition and having fairly decent reputations, have been left behind and mostly ignored by self-organized masses. Religious leadership is not desired by most demonstrators, who, according to one report, overwhelmed “Allah Akbar” by much louder chants of “Muslim, Christian, we are all Egyptian.”3 Various trade unions and federations are playing a secondary, but significant part in these events. Generally they have not taken initiative. Most significant has been the Tunisian UGTT federation (being the second largest organized force after the ruling party) but even in their case, support for demonstrations and political strikes, according to one report, came from local and regional impetus against the wishes of the national executive. And recently UGTT has sided with the interim government.

Self-organization has been a great source of strength for the protesters. Many demonstrations were started on Facebook and publicized by phone and word of mouth. After initial clashes with police, protesters adjusted their tactics and taught each other how to outsmart the cops. When the Egyptian government disabled the Internet, neighbors went door-to-door quietly at night to invite everyone to join. On the streets people have shared food and medicine widely with other protesters in need and some have come prepared with medical supplies to tend to the injuries of strangers. Everyone describes powerful solidarity among the protesters and for many each new day brought new friends.

One female demonstrator in Cairo described a surprising absence of sexual harassment in the crowds and automatic respect from male strangers – a previously unimaginable experience for her in Egypt4 , a country infamous for sexual harassment in the streets. Although women have been a minority in these protests, they are now taking to the streets in greater numbers to replace the men.

Besides changes in interpersonal relations, there have been many instances of powerful political self-organization. Both in Tunisia and Egypt, workers in factories, newspapers and other workplaces kicked out their bosses and CEOs and replaced them with self-management by worker committees or in some cases by new, more popular bosses.5 Almost overnight there arose numerous neighborhood committees to guard against government-sanctioned thugs and looters. Similar committees have taken to cleaning and otherwise running their communities. Some committees are arresting any police officers that pass through their areas. One tweet from Egypt said: “I don’t know why did we have police in the 1st place.We seem to be taking good care of each other,organizing traffic,cleaning streets.”6

In Egypt, Union members from many industries have created a new trade union federation and are starting to form factory committees to “defend” their workplaces (the word can also be translated as “occupy”) and to organize a general strike.78 In Egypt and elsewhere in the region there have been various strikes, including general strikes restricted to cities or internal regions. In Suez, public servants have gone on indefinite strike until Mubarak resigns.

In Egypt and Tunisia numerous police stations, ruling party headquarters, banks and residences of ruling party members have been burned and looted by protesters. The police have been beaten from the streets by demonstrators fully willing to attack them and burn their vehicles. Bedouins have charged police stations and looted their weapons to defend themselves against State violence. In Libya, protesters upset by lack of housing took direct action and squatted 800 vacant lots.

In Egypt, looting is a complicated matter right now since some of it is sanctioned by almost all protesters (ruling party headquarters), some is condemned by nearly everyone (non-rich people’s neighborhoods, museums) and some of it is more controversial. For example, supermarkets and malls have been looted and it’s not clear if it was done by people looking to help themselves, to share and enjoy the products or by gangsters looking to terrorize and profit. It’s not clear if working class Egyptians are warming towards expropriation of commodities. Often looting and terror has been hysterically exaggerated by local and Western media to demonstrate the dangers of a revolution.

From this distance, it is difficult to determine the composition of the protests. The mainstream media is not the best source of information when it comes to class struggle (they believe everyone cares about “opposition leaders” as much as they do) and it seems that most protesters, regardless of their relation to wage labor, are not that class conscious. So this information is very tentative. It appears that in Tunisia the revolt started in the suburbs where poor and unemployed workers live. The protests and riots grew in strength there before spilling out onto the rest of the country, moving from the periphery (poor suburbs) inwards (downtown Tunis) and drawing-in higher and more affluent social levels as they surged. After industrial and public sector workers joined, their actions dealt big blows to the regime.

In Egypt it appears that the first protests were organized by non-politicized middle class young people on the Internet who hated the dictatorship and were inspired by Tunisia. Demonstrations grew faster than anyone expected and quickly drew in all sympathetic social strata. So far, committees from rich and poor neighborhoods seem to be collaborating and fighting the same fight. The question of looting is dividing them as the poor understandably don’t care for the property of retailers and the rich, while wealthier Egyptians are considering the advantages of Mubarak’s rule as their property is threatened.9 Egyptian soldiers are conscripted so they must share the same social position as the protesters.

Conclusion

The insurrectionary situation in North Africa and Middle East is complicated, contradictory and constantly changing. There are many examples of working class self-organization effectively displacing state power and reason to believe these hopeful developments could spread. At the same time, there are many shades of opportunists looking to benefit from the situation and to channel popular power and anger into support for one or another politicians. All possibilities seem open at this time. Regardless of what happens tomorrow the revolts of the future will find strength in present events.

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Its in Americas best interest to stay out of it , and who gives a fuck about how Isreal feels? Isreal only cares about itself and who it can take advantage of.
I'd rather have the present ruling party control Egypt than the Brotherhood who would align with Iran. These people want a caliphate and don't care what they have to do to get it.
 

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I'd rather have the present ruling party control Egypt than the Brotherhood who would align with Iran. These people want a caliphate and don't care what they have to do to get it.
Yet you think Israel should drop bombs on what's left of Palestine to end their war of territory. :ermm:
 
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Tens of thousands rally in Yemeni capital
Feb 4



Tens of thousands of opponents and supporters of Yemen’s president staged dueling demonstrations on Thursday, underscoring deep divisions in a nation seen by the Obama administration as a key ally in its fight against Islamic militants. Ironically, the name adopted for the day’s protests — the “Day of Rage” — is the same name used by protesters in Egypt as well as the Weather Underground in the 60s.

The BBC reports over 20,000 protesters have taken to the streets calling for the immediate resignation of President Ali Abdullah Saleh. Much like Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Saleh has said he will step down after his current term expires.

Saleh has been in power for 32 years, promised he would leave office when his current term expires in 2013.

The pro-Saleh demonstrators were mainly bused into the capital from rural areas, including the president’s stronghold of Khowlan province. They were set up in Tahrir Square overnight to forestall the opposition protest and prevent a more-or-less permanent occupation of the central plaza, as has taken place in Cairo.
 
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Yet you think Israel should drop bombs on what's left of Palestine to end their war of territory. :ermm:

Why not get rid of isreal, we we wont ever have a problem with isreal , or just ignore them everytime they start shit with other countries in the regon.
 
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Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have poured into Cairo's Tahrir Square for the latest protest calling for Hosni Mubarak's government to step down.



The BBC's Jim Muir, in the Egyptian capital, says it is the biggest demonstration since the protests began on 25 January.

It comes despite the government's announcement of its plans for a peaceful transfer of power.

President Mubarak has said he will stay until elections in September.

In Tahrir Square, attempts by the army to check the identity cards of those joining the demonstration were abandoned because of the sheer weight of numbers.

Our correspondent says the message to the authorities is simple - there is huge support from all walks of Egyptian life for the protests, and the government's concessions are not enough.

Wael Ghonim, a Google executive was detained and blindfolded by state security forces for 12 days, was feted by the crowds as he entered Tahrir Square.

He is credited with setting up the page on the Facebook social network that helped galvanise protesters.

"We will not abandon our demand and that is the departure of the regime," Mr Ghonim told protesters in the square, to cheers and applause.

Referring to the protesters who have died in clashes with the security forces, he said: "I'm not a hero but those who were martyred are the heroes."

This latest demonstration, as the protests enter their third week, comes as normal life is returning to the streets of Cairo.

The protesters are continuing to call for Mr Mubarak to leave office immediately, and say they are sceptical about any transition managed by the government.

In his response to the protests, President Mubarak has set up a committee to propose constitutional changes, and another is being formed to carry the changes out.

Vice-President Omar Suleiman, who announced the formation of the new committees, said he had briefed Mr Mubarak on recent talks with the opposition, and the president had welcomed the process of "dialogue" and "national reconciliation".

"The president also underlined the importance of continuing [the process] and moving from guidelines to a clear map with a definite timetable" for a "peaceful and organised" transfer of power, he said.

Among the key expected changes are a relaxation of presidential eligibility rules, and the setting of a limit for presidential terms.

A third committee, expected to begin its work in the next few days, would investigate clashes between pro- and anti-Mubarak groups last week and refer its findings to the prosecutor-general, Mr Suleiman said.

He also said President Mubarak had issued directives to stop repressive measures against the opposition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12394941


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Tunisia calls in army reservists to stem unrest
Interim government bolsters Tunisian armed forces in attempt to restore order before country's first free elections in June



Tunisia's fragile interim government has called in military reservists to contain a fresh wave of violence as it races to organise the country's first free elections.

Three weeks after the people's revolution that ousted the dictator Zine al-Abidine Ben-Ali and inspired the uprising in Egypt, the feeble caretaker government is still struggling to translate the Arab world's first modern popular revolution into a meaningful democratic process and elections in June.

Full article here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/08/tunisia-army-reservists-unrest