THOSE WITH HOME STUDIOS...POST PICS
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Just curious what is his theory on foam in the booth? If the booth is acoustically "incorrect" to begin with what will foam do? Have you guys considered bass traps? Have you considered tuning the control room? You should identify the problems of the room *FIRST* and treat after. Is the mic booth located *inside* of the control room? If so he is correct in treating the outside of the booth. This is needed and often suggested by acoustic engineers. Basically the outside will act as a sound absorber but where you POSITION the booth (if its inside the room) will be a factor.
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LET ME CORRECT MY EARLIER STATEMENTS...
my producer said that he isnt basing it off playback, or listening to what was recorded in the un-padded control room. he is basing it off listening to the reverbs while he's in the mic booth. he said he got 1 inch becuase of the cost, so this is why he is thinkin of replacing with 2 inch. its based off the sound in booth, not playback. he said he is only recording in the control room & not mixing because the sound is bouncing all around, and there's still alotta reverb in the room. there's hard surface walls.
my producer said that he isnt basing it off playback, or listening to what was recorded in the un-padded control room. he is basing it off listening to the reverbs while he's in the mic booth. he said he got 1 inch becuase of the cost, so this is why he is thinkin of replacing with 2 inch. its based off the sound in booth, not playback. he said he is only recording in the control room & not mixing because the sound is bouncing all around, and there's still alotta reverb in the room. there's hard surface walls.
WHAT TYPE OF FOAM ARE YOU GOING TO USE? I DON'T MEAN THICKNESS, I MEAN WHAT *TYPE*? HE'S BASING IT OFF LISTENING TO THE REVERBS IN THE MIC BOOTH? AS I SAID BEFORE MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO ALTERNATE SOURCES OF TREATMENT *BEFORE* YOU PLACE FOAM ALL OVER THE PLACE. ROOM MODES, STANDING WAVES, RESONATE ETC ETC ETC, THESE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER *BEFORE* YOU SPEND *MONEY* ON FOAM.
HERES A LINK TO A SITE. JUST READ THE INFO POSTED AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND A BIT MORE:
http://www.pcmus.com/RoomAcou.htm
BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT DO THE MIXES SOUND LIKE *OUTSIDE* OF THE STUDIO? HOW DO THEY PLAYBACK IN THE REAL WORLD? BOOM BOX? COMPUTER SPEAKERS? 15'S IN THE GLASS HOUSE? WALK MAN? HE SHOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WITH THIS.
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HERES A LINK TO A SITE. JUST READ THE INFO POSTED AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND A BIT MORE:
http://www.pcmus.com/RoomAcou.htm
BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT DO THE MIXES SOUND LIKE *OUTSIDE* OF THE STUDIO? HOW DO THEY PLAYBACK IN THE REAL WORLD? BOOM BOX? COMPUTER SPEAKERS? 15'S IN THE GLASS HOUSE? WALK MAN? HE SHOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WITH THIS.
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IT WAS STRESSED, "Please explain WHY it "ain't gonna work."
CAUSE OF THE IDENTICAL DIMENSIONS CAUSES REVERBRATION. IT WOULDN'T BE IDEAL IF YOU TRYIN' TO gET THE BEST ACOUSTIC SPACE. BUT IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, THEN IT WORKS FOR YOU. I'M JUST gOIN' OFF OF SHIT I READ(AND YES, I HAD TO BUILD MY OWN BOOTH AND DID SOME RESEARCH)
CAUSE OF THE IDENTICAL DIMENSIONS CAUSES REVERBRATION. IT WOULDN'T BE IDEAL IF YOU TRYIN' TO gET THE BEST ACOUSTIC SPACE. BUT IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, THEN IT WORKS FOR YOU. I'M JUST gOIN' OFF OF SHIT I READ(AND YES, I HAD TO BUILD MY OWN BOOTH AND DID SOME RESEARCH)
If you're getting bad reverbs you can try acoustic treatment on the corners of the booth. This goes for the control room also since many times untreated corners are what give you that nasty-sounding reverb.
Bass traps would probably help also. Generate a 1khz sine wave and move around your room to detect standing waves and see where you need diffusors.
I would leave some of the natural reverb there but that's just me. A room full of reverb can sound bad just like a dead room can.
Bass traps would probably help also. Generate a 1khz sine wave and move around your room to detect standing waves and see where you need diffusors.
I would leave some of the natural reverb there but that's just me. A room full of reverb can sound bad just like a dead room can.
I read somewhere that you don't know what the fuck you're talkin' about. Identical dimensions do not cause reverberation.....reverberation is caused by sound reflections. It doesn't matter what the dimensions, shape or size are.......sound reflects and bounces off of surfaces regardless unless there is some sort of absorption or diffusion treatment.
My booth is treated and there is no reverberation of ANY kind. The sound is dead and allows me to add reverb to taste.
My booth is treated and there is no reverberation of ANY kind. The sound is dead and allows me to add reverb to taste.
Actually EDJ is correct when he says the room dimensions should NOT be multiples of each other.
heres an excerpt from a site:
According to the modal design theory, the worst possible room shape is a cube. The next worst is a room where all dimensions are multiples of the height. A pretty horrible example is a room 8-ft high, 16-ft wide, and 16 ft long.
you can find the link here:
http://www.silcom.com/~aludwig/Room_acoustics.html
you can find more info here
http://www.linkwitzlab.com/rooms.htm
heres an excerpt from a site:
According to the modal design theory, the worst possible room shape is a cube. The next worst is a room where all dimensions are multiples of the height. A pretty horrible example is a room 8-ft high, 16-ft wide, and 16 ft long.
you can find the link here:
http://www.silcom.com/~aludwig/Room_acoustics.html
you can find more info here
http://www.linkwitzlab.com/rooms.htm
The problem that comes into play with identical dimensions is phasing, not necessarily bad acoustics. Phasing happens when waves are a few milliseconds off from one another and they end up cancelling each other out.
It happens when people try to give their vocals a "double" effect by copying and pasting the same track and offsetting it by a few milliseconds. You can detect many of those issues by creating a mono mix. Oh shit, I'm rambling...
It happens when people try to give their vocals a "double" effect by copying and pasting the same track and offsetting it by a few milliseconds. You can detect many of those issues by creating a mono mix. Oh shit, I'm rambling...
^^^ WE ARENT TALKING IDENTICAL DIMENSIONS BUT ROOMS THAT HAVE MEASUREMENTS THAT ARE MULTIPLES OF EACH OTHER. IF YOU HAVE ANY "PROBLEM" WITH YOUR ROOM IT WILL BE CLASSIFIED AS AN ACOUSTIC PROBLEM *FIRST*.
ROOMS THAT ARE MULTIPLES OF EACH OTHER MAKE SIMILAR ROOM MODES. IF THATS WHAT YOU MEAN BY PHASING (I'LL LET YOU CLARIFY) I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. IF THATS NOT WHAT YOU MEAN PLEASE CLARIFY.
YES YOU SHOULD CHECK PHASE COHERENCE BY SWITCHING TO MONO BUT THAT WON'T FIX THE PROBLEM IN YOUR ROOM. BTW THE DOUBLE EFFECT WILL ONLY MAKE THE TRACK (OR TRACKS) APPEAR TO BE 3DB LOUDER. COPY A VOCAL TRACK TWICE, PAN ONE LEFT, PAN ONE RIGHT AND THEY WILL STILL SUM TO THE MIDDLE. OFFSETTING A TRACK HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE WITH ME. THE ONLY TIME OFFSETTING WILL BE AN ISSUE IS WHEN YOU MOVE THE TRACK TOO FAR FROM THE ORIGINAL (THIS COULD BE WHAT YOU'RE HINTING AT).
ROOMS THAT ARE MULTIPLES OF EACH OTHER MAKE SIMILAR ROOM MODES. IF THATS WHAT YOU MEAN BY PHASING (I'LL LET YOU CLARIFY) I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. IF THATS NOT WHAT YOU MEAN PLEASE CLARIFY.
YES YOU SHOULD CHECK PHASE COHERENCE BY SWITCHING TO MONO BUT THAT WON'T FIX THE PROBLEM IN YOUR ROOM. BTW THE DOUBLE EFFECT WILL ONLY MAKE THE TRACK (OR TRACKS) APPEAR TO BE 3DB LOUDER. COPY A VOCAL TRACK TWICE, PAN ONE LEFT, PAN ONE RIGHT AND THEY WILL STILL SUM TO THE MIDDLE. OFFSETTING A TRACK HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE WITH ME. THE ONLY TIME OFFSETTING WILL BE AN ISSUE IS WHEN YOU MOVE THE TRACK TOO FAR FROM THE ORIGINAL (THIS COULD BE WHAT YOU'RE HINTING AT).
http://www.audiocontrol.com/techpapers/techpaper107.pdf
FOR MORE INFO. IF THE ORIGINAL POSTER WOULD GIVE ROOM DIMENSIONS AND SPECS IT WOULD EB EASIER TO HELP HIM OUT. DIFFUSERS AND BASS TRAPS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BUT FIRST YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE YOUR EQUIPMENT POSITION. KEEP YOUR SET UP SYMETRICAL AND CONSIDER A DIFFERENT MONITOR PLACEMENT. *DON'T* PUT THEM IN THE CORNER...WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T DO THAT.
@SLEEPY WHEN I SAID "WE" I MEANT ME.
FOR MORE INFO. IF THE ORIGINAL POSTER WOULD GIVE ROOM DIMENSIONS AND SPECS IT WOULD EB EASIER TO HELP HIM OUT. DIFFUSERS AND BASS TRAPS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BUT FIRST YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE YOUR EQUIPMENT POSITION. KEEP YOUR SET UP SYMETRICAL AND CONSIDER A DIFFERENT MONITOR PLACEMENT. *DON'T* PUT THEM IN THE CORNER...WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T DO THAT.
@SLEEPY WHEN I SAID "WE" I MEANT ME.