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MOREBASS

MOREBASS

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^ I hear you 50.

But a lot of the cats I'm referring to are lifelong Hip Hop fans and some of 'em DJ's...

While I do hear complaints about the quality of the music...ie 'its not the same as it was in the mid 90's'...there never really about the technical sonic aspect of the music...ie those drums sound to thin or what not.

Me for instance, I can't even notice these things like the claps being too thin and what not, because my ears/brain aren't trained to notice these things.

Basically my question was if you guys thought that 'average' listeners, even avid listeners...could notice these same things as producers and people who are involved in the making of music.
 
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Sick Wid It

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To tell you the truth, the first thing I do when I hear new music is pick it completely apart. Every sound choice, processing, mix, ... Sometimes it's too hard to just be a fan. Then again you get an extra level of appreciation when the music is deserving.
 
BIGCHILL

BIGCHILL

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Nov 14, 2002
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thats my damn problem too.i start picking everything apart when i hear new songs albums.its hard to enjoy the music when you pick it apart notice the song has less than three damn sounds...lol....if you were ever a dj or a producer or just a serious fan of dr dres old music then thats just something you automatically do.
 
Nonstop

Nonstop

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ive grown accustomed to the newer shit so much that when i hear a mufucka claimin to be the next big thing, come wit some ol 98 south central music i automatically tune him out and keep movin... its fucked up cause my comfort zone is 92-2000 musically, but im so used to hearin how music is accepted now that i cant take an artist seriously that doesnt fit the newer generations criteria...

but what it really all comes down too is weve out grown the new music generation. our music would be on oldie type stations if it wasnt for the format, but instead its called a throwback mix or flavor mix or sumthin... look at snoop.... biggest artist of "our" generation, cant even get 150k first week now... hes just old enough to where hes not relevant to the younger crowd.... hes a novelty act for them...

but fuck it, ill continue to grow with the music in order to eat.. i got some stuff yall will be hearing reeeaaaaal soon nationally that doesnt have that "thin" or "less is more" sound... shits real orchestrated...
 
Defy

Defy

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I agree with morebass and feel the opposite of 50cal, (I'm too lazy to quote y'all, the shits on the same page) I think its all about trained and untrained ears. people who don't make beats or engineer don't listen to shit like that. I've heard people saying shit ain't like it was in 95, but that's only because of them being in tune during the peak of hip hop....that and the fact that people always think music was better back in the day, no matter what genre, ask anyone over 21 and they'll usually say music was better when they were a teen or at least hella years ago

people get hella analytical when they know how shit works. I worked at a movie theater as a projectionist so now any time I go to a theater shit has to be perfect or it hella bothers me. making music has me needing more change ups and variations and break downs......but I'm still a hip hop fan, so I can still get into just a hot beat even if its repetitive as fuck. I got over that whole "real hip hop" vs "mainstream" shit a long time ago, so I can appreciate shit that gets played over the radio.....so I dunno, I'm kinda different
 
BOOBOO619

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The times have changed drastically, no doubt. I'm just amazed at how fast the transition happened. I thought atleast WestCoast rap would pick up from the sound of where the Chronic 2001 left off. To me, that album introduced that modern WestCoast sound, but I guess it never really took off.

Another thing I just don't get is why the WestCoast abandoned their sounds, piano, guitar, strings, THE CLAP, e-bass, synth bass, softer whiney synth leads, chords, guitar licks, all that good sounding shit. REAL musical shit that really allows you to feel the vibe.

Now it's just an 808, weak snare/clap or finger snap and a fucking trancey synth lead. Not to mention, those annoying ass snare hits that are used for buildups. $hit is gay. Beats are all wierd n shit now.
 
8FIVE8

8FIVE8

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Apr 20, 2005
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i think the production nowadays is straight. Atleast most of the shit is made from scratch. Instead of all that sampling they did back then.
 
50cal

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No...Not the sampling... debate...ahaha...sampling is rap music..and booboo I Knew what you was gonna say with out reading your post...(they need them funky guitars, and electric pianos with claps..hahah) and defy I feel ya..and non stop......ehhhh I see where ya coming from, but me Im not the type to live my life and accept things I do not like..I have the choice to either fuck with it or not, but I wont just accept anything....and that includes most rap music today...I aint mad because my collection is so deep I really do not need to buy another rap c.d ever...
 
BOOBOO619

BOOBOO619

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50cal said:
No...Not the sampling... debate...ahaha...sampling is rap music..and booboo I Knew what you was gonna say with out reading your post...(they need them funky guitars, and electric pianos with claps..hahah) and defy I feel ya..and non stop......ehhhh I see where ya coming from, but me Im not the type to live my life and accept things I do not like..I have the choice to either fuck with it or not, but I wont just accept anything....and that includes most rap music today...I aint mad because my collection is so deep I really do not need to buy another rap c.d ever...
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LOL, but ain't it the truth?!?!?! Cmon, that's straight up WESTCOAST $hit, the REAL WESTCOAST. We've abandoned OUR sound for some other sound. WACK! Now EVERYONE sounds Southern influenced. It all boils down to fame and $$$. People jump the bandwagon to whatever is currently hot and right now atm, it's the South. Therefore, you have motherfuckers from the West and East trying to imitate that Southern sound, just to get into the game and make that cash. I'm sure 90's EastCoast rap fans think the same because they had their OWN sound as well. There was a good variety to choose from back then and the majority of it was quality shit. Now it has all morphed into the same bullshit. I ain't got nothing against the South, but cmon, the West & East should do their OWN $hit as well that pertains to their region. Oh well, I got plenty of "oldschool" rap to satisfy my needs. Alls I know, when I'm driving and I see some youngsters with polka dot hoodies and rediculously large flat billed hats, I can't wait to pull up next to them at a stop light and bump my oldschool shit. haha
 
Nonstop

Nonstop

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I'm not just "accepting" things, I'm makin adjustments in a evolving game so I can continue to eat... My pockets aint complaining, why should I??? If I ever wanna listen to music I like I have about 4000 songs in my iPhone I can go thru... Other then that Ive grown accustomed to the sound now and its easy as shit to eat now a days off of music... If ur a starvin artist now adays I think its time to reevaluate weather or not this game is for u...

Music will change, our music would be poppin up on oldie stations if it wasn't for the format (rap/urban/hiphop) its 15-18 years old in some cases... That's older then the kids buying music so its gonna change regardless... Make the music that makes u feel comfortable if its for the love of music, but don't expect a mansion out of it if u can't evolve wit the times
 
50cal

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^^^C you talkin from an artists perspective..in that case you have to be flexible regardless and i understand that.. I think we are talking more from just an observation how the sound has changed and I do not think the complaint is so much as the sound changing as it is the quality.
 
T.C

T.C

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BOOBOO619 said:
The times have changed drastically, no doubt. I'm just amazed at how fast the transition happened. I thought atleast WestCoast rap would pick up from the sound of where the Chronic 2001 left off. To me, that album introduced that modern WestCoast sound, but I guess it never really took off.
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The west did pick up where chronic 2001 left off...which was part of the problem. For like 4-5 years after that album dropped everybody and they mama was doing that sound and the well dried up....Besides, you cant expect one guy to define a sound for a state as diverse as cali. Funny thing is, I used to like that sound too, but now its played out...
 
BOOBOO619

BOOBOO619

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Nonstop said:
I'm not just "accepting" things, I'm makin adjustments in a evolving game so I can continue to eat... My pockets aint complaining, why should I??? If I ever wanna listen to music I like I have about 4000 songs in my iPhone I can go thru... Other then that Ive grown accustomed to the sound now and its easy as shit to eat now a days off of music... If ur a starvin artist now adays I think its time to reevaluate weather or not this game is for u...

Music will change, our music would be poppin up on oldie stations if it wasn't for the format (rap/urban/hiphop) its 15-18 years old in some cases... That's older then the kids buying music so its gonna change regardless... Make the music that makes u feel comfortable if its for the love of music, but don't expect a mansion out of it if u can't evolve wit the times
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Well yeah, obviously you have to "adapt" to the current styles if your plan is to make a living off of it, whether your a producer or rapper. That concept pretty much goes for anything, whether you want to succeed in the business or not. But like 50cal is saying, most of us are disregarding the business side of it, and observing the actual musical content.

I think the drastic change has to do more so with technology. Beats sound so "techno-ish" now days. I find it funny how fools back then who thought they were hard would clown techno/trance/house music, yet now their the ones listening to rap with those same sound elements in them. The other day I turn on the radio and I hear some song with a Benny Benassi "Satisfaction" bassline sample to it. haha That's so thuggish. Rap is supposed to be HARD, not some pussy light weight, pill poppin druggy shit. Whatever though, I understand Rap is for K-12 now days.
 
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BOOBOO619 said:
Well yeah, obviously you have to "adapt" to the current styles if your plan is to make a living off of it, whether your a producer or rapper. That concept pretty much goes for anything, whether you want to succeed in the business or not. But like 50cal is saying, most of us are disregarding the business side of it, and observing the actual musical content.

I think the drastic change has to do more so with technology. Beats sound so "techno-ish" now days. I find it funny how fools back then who thought they were hard would clown techno/trance/house music, yet now their the ones listening to rap with those same sound elements in them. The other day I turn on the radio and I hear some song with a Benny Benassi "Satisfaction" bassline sample to it. haha That's so thuggish. Rap is supposed to be HARD, not some pussy light weight, pill poppin druggy shit. Whatever though, I understand Rap is for K-12 now days.
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i dont know man

ice ice baby used to be hot back in the day,

to me its the same,

but better today
 
MALKI

MALKI

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Feb 2, 2006
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there have been some corny ass songs in every era of every music genre. there is still motha fuckas making HEAT. rap aint goin nowhere hip hop is so fucking big its ridiculous right now. the money is drying up because the market is dumbass oversaturated but regardless shit is still crackin in 08.

me i dont give a fuck if your favorite rapper quits rapping because he can't afford to wipe his ass with 100 dollar bills no more boo hoo you rich motha fucka.

music aint supposed to be about how much money you can make off it anyway if you think like that it aint music anymore - its a product and thats what it is today. its a fucking product like it or not and every artist has their own brand. some brands put out better product than others. thats why you got all these thug ass motha fuckas in the game that aint real musicians. because it aint no more music
 
BOOBOO619

BOOBOO619

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Apr 26, 2006
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^^^What thug ass motherfuckers? If anything, their ain't no more real thugs out there. Even today's so-called Gangster rap is fucking gay. Maybe if real thugs were involved, the music would actually be better. The lyrics would actually probably have some real meaning. Real thugs ain't listening to no techno-pop beats or atleast fools that truely know what's up, their still on some oldschool shit. Rap today is for the YOUNGSTERS, plain and simple. They can't comprehend the significance of the 90's. Their on another trip, just look at the way they dress. No WAY in hell, I'll sport a hoodie with the same pattern going across it and use it as a fashion statement. Shit looks childish.

I don't even care anymore. Anyways, have any of you guys heard that " Bo$$olo - Wes Rydin' " album that just recently came out, shit actually sounds hard and WESTCOAST.
 
MALKI

MALKI

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Feb 2, 2006
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well maybe that came out wrong - im jsut sayin dont be no half rappin ass motha fucka talkin bout you could be doing this or that shut the fuck up already. example - pac WAS gangsta rap right? pac did ballet (now what kind of gangster does ballet?) - i say he was more of a musician/artist even though he got shot and all that he made Music - gangster music yeah but it was still music with a message no product no fake shit

what im sayin is motha fuckas just thug these days no more music. just a lot of shit talking....

its 90 percent business 10% music these days - and back then it was the other way around. or 60/40 or something lol atlest people gave somewhat of a damn

i mean look waht they is doin these days they making 2 pac energy drinks and mac dre bobbleheads, its no more music its all about product - whatever they can sell regardless of quality, ethics or morals
 
Nonstop

Nonstop

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booboo, rap was ALWAYS gotthr youngsters... In 15 years the kids who grew up in this era will be complaining about the new fad in music, and how you can't snap dance to it... Mark my words... We grew up as youngsters in the gangsta rap hayday... The breakers before us couldn't stand the gangsta rap side, the same way al greens generation wasn't diggin the grand master flashes, saying it wasn't real music cause they were stealin music and talkin instead of singin..

What u need to realize is your musical generation has passed... U can hang onto it for dear life, but u won be any different then the nigga still rockin a curl and adidas cologne..

Its a new day.. No reason to complain about it or call it gay, its just not ur era no more.. Let the younger crowd do them the way the b-boys let us be as gangsta as we wanted to be
 
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