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Jun 15, 2005
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I wish I knew so much about the issue to take as strong a stance as anyone in this thread.

Ain't no middle of the road in here.

And nobody's out there.

Help me out with some info so I can get in on this, too.
 
Mar 28, 2006
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Never Again: The Final Solution was a collaborative effort by the Christian world
Filed under Israeli politics, Anti-Semitism, Jewish history & culture, Jewish diaspora, Opinion Editorials, Holocaust, EU and UK, Russian Jewish, History, Zionism, War and Peace - on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - By: Shoher, Obadiah

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Never again, and again, and again

The Final Solution wasn`t a German invention, but a collaborative effort by the Christian world.

Christian Russia thought about some kind of Final Solution in the nineteenth century. Russian government was receptive to Zionist leaders because they offered to rid Russia of Jews. Russian government prompted waves of pogroms. In the early twentieth century in Ukraine, government forces annihilated the Jews in the numbers only superseded in Holocaust.

Then came Stalin. He was deeply anti-Semitic but allowed Jews into the most visible – and hated – positions in communist hierarchy. Stalin committed a strategic disaster by partitioning Poland with Germany: absence of that buffer state in June 1941 allowed Germans to extinguish the Russian army in a matter of days. The only reason for partitioning Poland was to pass Jewish towns into the German hands. Indeed, Germany and Russia carved Poland specifically the way that major Jewish population centers fell to Germans. Russians supported the Nazi Germany until the very day it launched the offensive against the Soviet Union; Germany thrived on Russian iron, grain, and many other products.

The Russian government knew about the Germans’ annihilating the Jews in the conquered Soviet Union from the day one, from the burning of Jews in Byalostok, but didn’t warn the Jews to flee for their lives – which they still had enough time to do, even on foot. Ukrainian, Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Russian, and Byelorussian populations assisted the Germans into hunting down, rounding, and massacring Jews. Most European Christian nations showed similar zeal in helping the Germans to finish Jews off. Evidently on Stalin’s orders, the Soviet Army avoided bombing death camps during the massive bombing raids into the German-occupied Eastern Europe. Primo Levi testifies to daily bombings of “work” camps around Auschwitz, but not a bomb touched the death camp itself.

Immediately after the WWII, when some Jews appeared to be saved, Russians envisaged a new solution: the Jewish state. Stalin’s support for establishing Israel is only intelligible as a means of annihilating the Jews. Stalin didn’t mean Israel as a socialist beachhead in the Middle East: despite the fact the many Israeli Jews were socialists, their leadership deeply resented anti-Semitic Russia, and except the fringe communists, few Jews supported closer ties with the Stalinist state. Stalin had much better bet with post-colonialist Muslim countries: Egypt, Syria, and Iraq. It would be absurd for Russia to support Israel against the wishes of Arabs who possessed both human and territorial mass.

The pattern of Russian arms sales to Israel in the War of Independence confirms that Stalin meant Israel as a deathtrap for Jews: Russia only supplied Israel (through Czechoslovakia) outdated light weapons, primitive artillery, and some useless trophy aircraft with no spare parts (defending Tel Aviv in March 1948, 3 out of 4 Messerschmitt-109 aircraft was downed in the first raid). That was enough to prolong the war with Arabs and make it bitter, but hardly enough to win it.

Had the Soviet Union wished Jewish victory, it could have supplied tanks, artillery, and aircraft (Stalin opposed the shipment of meager sixty Spitfire jets through Yugoslavia), or simply send a message to Arab capitals that the hugely respected USSR stands behind the Jewish state. Czechoslovakia also supplied advanced weapons to Arabs (e.g., 8,000 automatic rifles, 200 machine guns, etc in a single shipment to Syria; the Lino affair). Many Soviet Jews (notably Dragunsky, later the official leader of Soviet anti-Semites) volunteered to fight for Israel but were not allowed to go. Overall, Soviet support for Israel was almost non-existent compared to the massive aid extended to Spanish communists fighting Franco, to Angola, and many other insurrections. When Israel survived, Russia began a major anti-Semitic campaign which culminated in the 1953 witch hunt against Jews and wholesale deportation of Jews to the coldest place in Siberia – the very place Germans earmarked for starving the Jews before proceeding to eliminate us in the death camps. Stalin died just days before the scheduled deportation.

Britain prompted the most notorious Arab massacres of Jews: in Jerusalem, Hebron, and Tiberias the British pointedly withdrew their police forces. Jews were massively persecuted, murdered, and extradited to Germans in French- and British-influenced Muslim countries: Iraq, Syria, Tunisia, Egypt, and Morocco. The British refused safe haven in Palestine to the Jews fleeing the Holocaust. Earlier, the British offered Jews to settle in Uganda; likewise, Germans thought of resettling Jews in Mozambique and Russians – in Siberia. (Uganda, a country with no Jews, evolved viciously anti-Semitic; the Entebbe affair took place there.) Later, Britain provided the PLO with safe haven in its protectorate of Kuwait.

Jewish American establishment, an assimilated bunch of court Jews who prosper by selling the souls of their compatriots, pretended to doubt the scale of the German massacre of Jews. They lied. Every Pole around Maidanec or Auschwitz knew what was going on there: they saw the trainloads of Jews entering the death camps and empty trains coming out. Post-war interviews with the Poles confirm their unequivocal knowledge about the massacre. No doubt, that information, among other reports, was passed to Jewish “leaders.” At least from the early 1944, they knew about the extermination of Hungarian Jewry: the Germans made their plans very clear to Zionists who refused so little as to supply trucks, coffee beans, and money to Germans in exchange for the entire Hungarian Jewry. But at least the Jewish barons could claim ignorance.
The US Administration had the benefit of vast intelligence, and certainly knew about the ongoing extermination of Jews, if only from regular Enigma intercepts of German communications which included the exact numbers of massacred Jews. The US refused so little as bombing the death camps. Before the WWII, when the extent of German institutional anti-Semitism was clear, and British and American newspapers ran articles about the immense suffering of Jews, the US refused entry visas to fleeing Jews and deliberately made a comedy out of the Evian conference which meant to find the Jews foreign asylum.

The Americans, British, and Russians maintained radio broadcasts for German-occupied countries, but not a single time any of them mentioned the ongoing extermination of Jews. That silence allowed Germans to keep shipping trainloads of unsuspecting Jews to Auschwitz as late as in autumn of 1944. Had they knew their fate from the authoritative radio, they could flee for their lives, fight for their deaths, or commit suicide for their dignity.

The UN partition plan of 1947 was no boon to Jews, but meant to complete the Final Solution. The Jewish state was broken into three isolated enclaves, interspersed with Arab territory. The three “Jewish” enclaves contained 40% Arab population. Thus the UN Security Council’s Christian members assured the attack on Israel both from without and from within. The Jews were to be annihilated.

Nothing has changed since the Holocaust. In 1967, as the Arab armies were massing at Israel’s borders, as the IDF was digging thousands of graves open for Jewish bodies, as common Israelis thought in the terms of Holocaust – what did the world do? Nothing. Nasser and the Syrians were explicit about their intentions to annihilate all Jews rather than merely dismantle a Zionist state. The world screamed at Israel in disappointment when she preempted and survived.
In 1973, as the Egyptian army was seemingly poised to enter Tel Aviv in a matter of days, the American Jewish leaders did not lead mass rallies demanding the US intervention: America, after all, fought on behalf of Koreans, Vietnamese, and Kuwaitis. European Jewish leaders did not chain themselves to presidential palaces in their respective capitals to demand the right of overfly for Israeli resupply aircraft: Europe closed its skies to the military supplies desperately procured by the fledging Jewish state. When the world, including Jewish assimilationist organizations, beats its collective chest, “Never again!”, remember that “again” has already happened.

It is incorrect to say that the world learned nothing from Holocaust. It learned a tremendously important thing: murdering millions of Jews is socially acceptable. A handful of Germans were hanged, but most ex-Nazis led respectable lives, worked in government offices. Just years after the Holocaust, Germany opened its embassy in Israel and was welcomed in the community of nations. To talk about the Holocaust to a German is now indecent, as it may offend his sensitive soul. So the nations learned, it is okay to kill Jews.

In 1947, the US originally voted for establishing the Jewish state. When fighting between Arabs and Jews subsequently flared up, the US withdrew its UN vote in favor of Israel, leaving the Jewish state one on one with Arab militias. To add, the US banned American Jews from going to Israel to fight, and embargoed arms shipments to Palestine. That didn’t affect the Arabs who received arms supplies through other ports, notably in Egypt, and from Iraq and Syria. In effect, the arms embargo targeted Israel. The US voted for the UNSC resolution condemning Soviet arms shipments to Israel.

The US reiterated its policy of annihilating Israel in 1956. After Israel, besieged by fedayeen attacks for eight years, cleansed Sinai from the Egyptian militia, the US intervened, ordered Israel to halt, offered military aid to Egypt, and threatened direct intervention on Egypt’s behalf. Eisenhower pressed Israel to withdraw from the Sinai, promising the US would always intervene to keep the Tiran Straits open. He lied; in 1967 America not only refused intervention on Israel’s behalf, but prepared operational plans for landing the US Navy in the Sinai to defend Egypt against the Jewish army. Before the Six-Day War, the US foreign policy was geared toward buying Egypt time to launch an offensive against Israel. The US-led UN withdrew its peacekeeping troops from the Sinai immediately upon Nasser’s demand.

In 1973, the US intervened only to counter the Soviet influence in the Middle East which grew exponentially with Egypt’s early victories and Soviet deployment of nuclear missiles in defense of Egypt. The US aid to Israel came too late to be used in the war. European Christian countries – NATO members - refused the US planes the right of overflight, preventing military supplies from reaching the Jewish state.

The US provides massive aid to the PLO, which is nominally intended for the terrorist Palestinian Authority. America sells advanced weapons to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, fakes nuclear disarmament of North Korea, and uses Israel as a pawn to placate Arabs with the suicidal peace process.

Bush is touted as the US president most favorable to Israel. Roosevelt, too, was very friendly to Jews – yet did nothing to stop the Holocaust. Truman was very favorable to Jews, yet had almost killed the newborn Israel through arms embargo. Decades later, Jews were surprised to discover anti-Semitic remarks in Truman’s diary.

The current peace process is a historically standard Christian policy against the Jews. Locked into a fourteen-mile-wide state, besieged by the US-armed Arabs from without, watched by the fifth column of 34% Arab population from within, the Jewish state is meant by the Quartet to become the Final Solution.
So ur trying to make everybody feel bad about themselfs in order to make everybody help u jews with the current palestinian holocaust ???
 
May 9, 2002
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#48
I wish I knew so much about the issue to take as strong a stance as anyone in this thread.

Ain't no middle of the road in here.

And nobody's out there.

Help me out with some info so I can get in on this, too.
I feel the same way, excpet i dont really care about it. I have enough to worry about in this country, let alone in another that has been at war for hundreds of years.
 
Mar 1, 2006
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I think fooz are just getting confused with the people of a country and the people running the country. Its like how many people in different countries started to hate U.S because invaded Iraq and they just grouped all of the U.S into 1. Same shit Solatary is doing when he speaks of Palestine. I see both countries with corrupt leaders and just retaliation steamed by historical hate for one another.
I personally see more sympathy for Israel by the U.S because of world war 2, how it was seen as the good vs evil and it so happens that hatred for Jews started this evil, and the bible talks about Israel being were Jesus roamed which makes it the holy city, bandwagon christians took this too far and now it seems like a fight for which religion is better and should hold weight in Isreal, in the middle ages Isreal got invaded by a country that was mostly Muslum, and thats why their is more muslums there now and hold a temple where king David once had his temple for god. There is no good coming out of the people in power in both sides because only way to solve differences for them is to kill each other, and when you add religion into this it gets blown out of proportion because even the people that usually don't agree with some politics have to agree or else they will have to be left ashamed by there peers for not having faith.
Those Jews protesting against there own country got balls, I agree with them too Israel has taken shit too far and all they did was make hezbolla stronger and what it is now because more and more people are uniting for there cause and propaganda running rampant about religion differences is fueling this fight, you reap what you sow.
 
Jul 10, 2002
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I wish I knew so much about the issue to take as strong a stance as anyone in this thread.

Ain't no middle of the road in here.

And nobody's out there.

Help me out with some info so I can get in on this, too.
http://www.peres-center.org/ShimonPeres.html
for middle of road.

'The Routledge Atlas of Arab Israeli Conflict' by Martin Gilbert is an excellent source to gain a historical understanding from a 'non-religious' perspecitive and I highly recommend it. I would be interested to see how one of the Anti-Zionest's feel about this publication. (I believe a new edition is coming out again, but older editions are a little cheaper)
 
Jun 1, 2002
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Terrorist
One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they are liable for prosecution as common criminals.