The Siccness Anti-Israel Lobby
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And those people (the dark skinned ones) are treated like shit.
Again, most Israeli's are European. It's funny, so European jews like Leon Trotsky (Ukrainian) or Sigmund Freud (Austrian) for example, have (or had) the right to move to Israel and claim it as their own, even though their families have always lived in Europe (for hundreds or even thousands of years)? Or a person born to a non-jewish mother then later in life converts to Judaism, has the right to israel? lol, it's ridiculous, and maybe you having family in israel has created your biased and illogical way of thinking.
Since jews claim land from 3 to 4 thousand years ago, or whatever, lets take it back even further - we all originated from Africa (yes, even jews). We all have been displaced over the years! Oy vey! We, as the human race are truly african and we have the right to migrate back to our homeland and call it our own.
The whole thing is stupid - Jews (some) claim they have the right to return to the land where their religion began (thousands of years ago!) and create an exclusive Jewish state, but the problem is that Palestine is a vital center for all of the three shit religions with roots in the Middle East (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). None of them can have an exclusive claim of ownership of the land!!
Again, most Israeli's are European. It's funny, so European jews like Leon Trotsky (Ukrainian) or Sigmund Freud (Austrian) for example, have (or had) the right to move to Israel and claim it as their own, even though their families have always lived in Europe (for hundreds or even thousands of years)? Or a person born to a non-jewish mother then later in life converts to Judaism, has the right to israel? lol, it's ridiculous, and maybe you having family in israel has created your biased and illogical way of thinking.
Since jews claim land from 3 to 4 thousand years ago, or whatever, lets take it back even further - we all originated from Africa (yes, even jews). We all have been displaced over the years! Oy vey! We, as the human race are truly african and we have the right to migrate back to our homeland and call it our own.
The whole thing is stupid - Jews (some) claim they have the right to return to the land where their religion began (thousands of years ago!) and create an exclusive Jewish state, but the problem is that Palestine is a vital center for all of the three shit religions with roots in the Middle East (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). None of them can have an exclusive claim of ownership of the land!!
YOU KNOW.. I WILL ADMIT, SIXX. I HAVE MY BIASES. BUT ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T? YOU'RE ARAB, RIGHT? COULD THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY YOU FEEL ABOUT ISRAEL?
IF YOU'RE GOING TO THROW NUMBERS OUT THERE, MAKE SURE THEY'RE CORRECT. THE DIASPORA HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, TRUE. BUT IT HAS CONTINUED UNTIL RELATIVELY RECENTLY, 2-300 YEARS AGO WHEN, ISRAEL WAS UNDER THE RULE OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE AND JEWS FLED TO EASTERN EUROPE TO EXCAPE MURDER AND PERSECUTION (WHICH THEY FAILED TO DO).
MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WENT BACK TO ISRAEL AFTER JUST A GENERATION OR TWO OF LIVING IN SLUMS AND GHETTOS.
THERE IS NOTHING ILLOGICAL ABOUT MY VIEWS. ALL THIS IS SUPPORTED BY FACT. AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT RECENT CONVERTS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLAIM OR TIES TO THE LAND.
AGAIN: I SUPPORT A TWO STATE SOLUTION. THE PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED AND DESERVE THEIR OWN STATE.
SO DOES ISRAEL. I SUPPORT ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST 100%. AM I BIASED? MAYBE. I DO HAVE FAMILY OUT THERE. IS THERE ANYTHING UNREASONABLE OR ILLOGICAL ABOUT SUPPORTING ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST? CERTAINLY NOT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO THROW NUMBERS OUT THERE, MAKE SURE THEY'RE CORRECT. THE DIASPORA HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, TRUE. BUT IT HAS CONTINUED UNTIL RELATIVELY RECENTLY, 2-300 YEARS AGO WHEN, ISRAEL WAS UNDER THE RULE OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE AND JEWS FLED TO EASTERN EUROPE TO EXCAPE MURDER AND PERSECUTION (WHICH THEY FAILED TO DO).
MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WENT BACK TO ISRAEL AFTER JUST A GENERATION OR TWO OF LIVING IN SLUMS AND GHETTOS.
THERE IS NOTHING ILLOGICAL ABOUT MY VIEWS. ALL THIS IS SUPPORTED BY FACT. AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT RECENT CONVERTS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLAIM OR TIES TO THE LAND.
AGAIN: I SUPPORT A TWO STATE SOLUTION. THE PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED AND DESERVE THEIR OWN STATE.
SO DOES ISRAEL. I SUPPORT ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST 100%. AM I BIASED? MAYBE. I DO HAVE FAMILY OUT THERE. IS THERE ANYTHING UNREASONABLE OR ILLOGICAL ABOUT SUPPORTING ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST? CERTAINLY NOT.
No.
Interesting because even long before that, during the Roman Empire, most Jews were already living outside the land of Palestine. So most jews were already living outside of the land long before the Ottoman Empire.
The real roots of Zionism are in Eastern Europe during the 19th century where well over half of the worlds entire jew population lived. Basically there was a widespread attempt by the Russian tsars to use the jews as an excuse to their own failures and attempted to discredit the revolutionaries and those that challenged the tsars that was sweeping over Europe. Revolution threatened them and they used the jews as a scapegoat. So, naturally jews started to migrate because of the violence and oppression and only a TINY percentage became Zionists and went to Palestine. So Zionism was actually a colonial movement which was supported by imperial powers.
Well I think that's a given at this point but my problem is that you and others seem to ignore the fact, or turn a blind eye, to the brutal oppression that is occurring to the Palestinians and try to justify Israeli's extreme right wring actions because of ancient history. That's my problem.
Interesting because even long before that, during the Roman Empire, most Jews were already living outside the land of Palestine. So most jews were already living outside of the land long before the Ottoman Empire.
The real roots of Zionism are in Eastern Europe during the 19th century where well over half of the worlds entire jew population lived. Basically there was a widespread attempt by the Russian tsars to use the jews as an excuse to their own failures and attempted to discredit the revolutionaries and those that challenged the tsars that was sweeping over Europe. Revolution threatened them and they used the jews as a scapegoat. So, naturally jews started to migrate because of the violence and oppression and only a TINY percentage became Zionists and went to Palestine. So Zionism was actually a colonial movement which was supported by imperial powers.
Well I think that's a given at this point but my problem is that you and others seem to ignore the fact, or turn a blind eye, to the brutal oppression that is occurring to the Palestinians and try to justify Israeli's extreme right wring actions because of ancient history. That's my problem.
I thought they were from Jewston, Texas where they established Aunt Jewmima maple syrup and Jew Jew Beas, wrote Romeo & Jewliette, committed a mass jewnocide, created Jewp cologne, celebrated the first Jewnteenth, wore the most Jewelery en route to Jewvenile Hall, jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew.
WORD. I WAS WRONG THEN.
THIS IS PATENTLY FALSE. WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT? MOST OF THE WORLDS POPULATON OF JEWS LIVED IN JERUSALEM AND THE SURROUNDING AREA DURING ROMAN RULE, IE: THE KINGDOM OF JUDEA. THE JEWS WERE AN OCCUPIED PEOPLE AND THE ROMANS WERE IN CONTROL. THE BULK OF THE JEWISH POPULATION LIVED IN JUDEA (ISRAEL), AT THIS TIME. WRONG. TRY AGAIN.
I'M NOT GOING ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ROOTS OF ZIONISM. THIS SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT HERE. ONLY THING THAT IS FACTUALLY WRONG HERE IS THE "TINY" PERCENTAGE PART. IT WAS ABOUT 15-20%. THAT'S NOT TINY.
YOU MAKE TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT MY VIEWS. I HAVE NEVER TURNED A BLIND EYE TO THE OPPRESION OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. THEIR PLIGHT IS REAL AND THEY DESERVE THEIR OWN STATE. IT'S EXPECIALLY SAD THAT THEIR LEADERS HAVE TAKEN THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF AID THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN OVER THE YEARS AND POCKETED THE MONEY INSTEAD OF INVESTING INTO THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE, IMPROVING HEALTH-CARE AND PUBLIC SERVICES TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SAYING ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE A HAND IN THE CONDITIONS THOSE PEOPLE LIVE IN EITHER. IT IS A BAD SITUATION. ONE THAT CREATES A LOT OF HATRED AND CIVILLIANS SUFFERING ON BOTH SIDES.
I JUST WON'T SIT BACK AND LET PEOPLE DEMONIZE ISRAEL WHEN THE ISSUE IS MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT. ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST. PERIOD.
THIS IS PATENTLY FALSE. WHERE DO YOU GET THIS SHIT? MOST OF THE WORLDS POPULATON OF JEWS LIVED IN JERUSALEM AND THE SURROUNDING AREA DURING ROMAN RULE, IE: THE KINGDOM OF JUDEA. THE JEWS WERE AN OCCUPIED PEOPLE AND THE ROMANS WERE IN CONTROL. THE BULK OF THE JEWISH POPULATION LIVED IN JUDEA (ISRAEL), AT THIS TIME. WRONG. TRY AGAIN.
I'M NOT GOING ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ROOTS OF ZIONISM. THIS SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT HERE. ONLY THING THAT IS FACTUALLY WRONG HERE IS THE "TINY" PERCENTAGE PART. IT WAS ABOUT 15-20%. THAT'S NOT TINY.
YOU MAKE TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT MY VIEWS. I HAVE NEVER TURNED A BLIND EYE TO THE OPPRESION OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. THEIR PLIGHT IS REAL AND THEY DESERVE THEIR OWN STATE. IT'S EXPECIALLY SAD THAT THEIR LEADERS HAVE TAKEN THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF AID THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN OVER THE YEARS AND POCKETED THE MONEY INSTEAD OF INVESTING INTO THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE, IMPROVING HEALTH-CARE AND PUBLIC SERVICES TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SAYING ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE A HAND IN THE CONDITIONS THOSE PEOPLE LIVE IN EITHER. IT IS A BAD SITUATION. ONE THAT CREATES A LOT OF HATRED AND CIVILLIANS SUFFERING ON BOTH SIDES.
I JUST WON'T SIT BACK AND LET PEOPLE DEMONIZE ISRAEL WHEN THE ISSUE IS MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT. ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST. PERIOD.
