The predicted cost of going to Mars: ~$145 Billion. Iraq war thus far: ~$739 Billion

[NAMO]

Umm.....we did...

by the people, I am talking about 100's of millions

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

regardless of whether you think the earth is 100's of millions of years old or 5,000+, people will not live on the moon or mars. The only real reason for space exploration is hoping to find expensive resources to one extent or another that will fund the trips and beyond. If they found out that 1 foot beneath the surface on mars that it was nothing but 12 ounce nuggets of platinum or uranium, it would be worth it. It's about resources, nothing more.

Other than satellite's, space exploration has been pretty well useless as far as I'm concerned. They walked on the moon. Who cares?

 

[Timm]

the democrats were pro Iraq in 2003, the democrat votes were the reason that the invasion was made possible. Do some research on "Bush's War". We had been planning to invade Iraq ever since the late 80's and especially after desert storm in the early 90's.

 

[Stealth]

by the people, I am talking about 100's of millions

I bet you AT LEAST 100 million were against the war. I've never seen so many street protests, media coverage, etc. (Then again, I wasn't alive for Vietnam). I was in college at the time and shit was off the hook. The whole reason the Bush admin sucked is because Bush did whatever he wanted to. Didn't get elected? Fuck you. Don't like the war in Iraq? Fuck you. Can't find WMDs? Fuck you.

It's not that we didn't protest. It's that the government didn't give a fuck about our opinions.

Here's a great example:

Bush’s economic advisers tried to talk him
out of the rebate, but ran into a brick wall.

No Reaganites praised the Bush plan; all favored something much bolder, such as the flat tax proposal that was being promoted by publisher Steve Forbes, who was challenging Bush for the Republican nomination. Rather than defend his proposal as one that would increase growth, Bush argued that its main purpose was simply to deplete the budget surplus, which had grown under President Bill Clinton to $126 billion in 1999. Surpluses were dangerous, Bush and his advisers repeatedly warned, because Congress might spend them.

By the time Bush took office in January 2001, the economy was clearly in a slowdown; diametrically opposite economic conditions from what they were when his tax plan was first proposed. Not only had the economy gone from booming to recession, but a considerable portion of the projected surpluses had evaporated in the process as spending rose and revenues fell.

The rational thing to do under the circumstances would have been to rethink the tax plan and devise a new one that was more appropriate to the economic and budgetary conditions of early 2001, rather than those of mid-1999. Instead, Bush sent to Congress the nearly-identical proposal he had endorsed two years earlier. His one concession was to permit the addition of a one-shot tax rebate — classic Keynesian policy that was opposed by all supply-siders and most mainstream economists as well, since previous experience with rebates showed that they had no stimulative effect whatsoever.

Bush’s economic advisers tried to talk him out of the rebate, but ran into a brick wall. He had made up his mind — on what basis, nobody knows — to support the rebate even though it was completely contrary to everything Republicans traditionally believed about taxation. Journalist Ron Suskind explains what happened when one of Bush’s economic advisers tried to set him straight.

One morning in 2001, one of President Bush's most senior economic advisers walked into the Oval Office for a meeting with the president. The day before, the adviser had learned that the president had decided to send out tax-rebate checks to stimulate the faltering economy. Concerned about deficits and the dubious stimulatory effect of such rebates, he had called the president's chief of staff, Andy Card, to ask for the audience, and the meeting had been set.

As the man took his seat in the wing chair next to the president's desk, he began to explain his problem with the president's decision. The fact of the matter was that in this area of policy, this adviser was one of the experts, really top-drawer, and had been instrumental in devising some of the very language now used to discuss these concepts. He was convinced, he told Bush, that the president's position would soon enough be seen as "bad policy."

This, it seems, was the wrong thing to say to the president.

According to senior administration officials who learned of the encounter soon after it happened, President Bush looked at the man. "I don't ever want to hear you use those words in my presence again," he said.

"What words, Mr. President?"

"Bad policy," President Bush said. "If I decide to do it, by definition it's good policy. I thought you got that."

The adviser was dismissed. The meeting was over.

Subsequent analysis showed that the rebate had virtually no stimulative effect, exactly as economic theory predicted. By and large, people saved the rebate rather than spend it. And the saving didn’t even do any good because the deficit, which is negative saving, increased by the same amount. In any case, the economy continued to deteriorate and unemployment rose sharply despite the tax cut.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Issues/Taxes/2010/09/17/Bush-Tax-Cuts-No-Economic-Help.aspx

That's the Bush Administration in a nutshell. Do whatever you want because you got C's at Yale.

 

[Timm]

Can't find WMDs? Fuck you.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/wikileaks_proves_wmd_found_in.html

WMDs= Check.

Find moar 2 bitch about

 

[Stealth]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/wikileaks_proves_wmd_found_in.html

WMDs= Check.

Find moar 2 bitch about

Yes, because 19 year old stockpiles were exactly what we were looking for when we invaded Iraq...

We have always known about these....

 

[0R0]

Those stockpiles are older than Timm.

 

[Stealth]

What were the reasons we wanted WMDs?

(1) To protect Americans by finding a major, modern, sophisticated stash of WMDs
(2) To prove links to Al Qaeda

All they found was 19 year old mustard gas and shit that didn't work. No threat to Americans. No link to Al Qaeda.

They were looking for nuclear missiles and shit like that. They already knew about this.
If this was such a big deal, how come Republicans never used it to prove they were right? Because there is absolutely nothing new in that Wikileaks dump. This is all old info that does not justify the war in ANY WAY.

This is only important if you classify that shit as Weapons of Mass Destruction. Those were not the WMDs we were looking for. Not even sure you can fairly call them WMDs. What they found is stuff that nearly every country in the world has. If 20 year old weapons are a good excuse to invade an entire country, we might as well just go invade the other 160 countries that have that shit too...

from bush: the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised…. Under [UN] Resolutions 678 and 687 — both still in effect — the United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.

again: In one year, or five years, the power of Iraq to inflict harm on all free nations would be multiplied many times over.

again: I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied, finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic — the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency] — that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don’t know what more evidence we need.

cheney: On March 16, 2003, Cheney announced on NBC’s Meet the Press that “we believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.”

so they claimed that he possessed nukes and/or was at least working on them

didn't provide any evidence of that, obviously, because saddam wasn't doing any of that

Let's not forget during the state of the union he said this: The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

and when it turned out it was a blatantly forged document, they never even took it back or corrected it

 

[ColdBlooded]

We have always known about these....

And have always known where they got em

 

[niguardian]

i cant wait till america falls, im suprised they lasted this long, buncha fuckin idiots

 

[AKAZIE]

you can also find old stockpile missles at www.fubuoverstock.com

 

[Grapes Of Wrath]

we never even went to the moon

Now compare with the panoramic shot, photo 2, supposedly taken on the Moon, you can work out where the sources of light are! ... Not very far away! These shadows are not parallel.

The TV image, photo 7, is another example of differential shadow lengths. Additionally, there is visual evidence of the use of a large, very near, ARTIFICIAL source of light.

 

[Grapes Of Wrath]

Alien Moon Base
by UFO Joe, InfoNet


Is there an "Alien Base" on the Moon. More and more people
are coming forward with stories of an Alien presence on the
Moon. Rumors are that their "Moon Base" is on the dark side
of the moon, the side we never see from Earth.

Did you ever wonder why the Moon landings stopped and why
have we not tried to build a Moon Base. It seems a better and
easier idea than a floating space station?

According to Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the
Moon and wanted us to get off and stay off the Moon! Milton
Cooper a Naval Intellegence Officer tell us that the
Intellegence community calls the Alien Base "Luna":

LUNA: The Alien base on the far side of the Moon. It
was seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts. A base, a mining
operation using very large machines, and the very large alien
craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there.
- Milton Cooper

 

[niguardian]

we never even went to the moon

Now compare with the panoramic shot, photo 2, supposedly taken on the Moon, you can work out where the sources of light are! ... Not very far away! These shadows are not parallel.

The TV image, photo 7, is another example of differential shadow lengths. Additionally, there is visual evidence of the use of a large, very near, ARTIFICIAL source of light.

alotta people say that moon landing was bullshit and filmed in hollywood somewhere because it would be impossible to get through the van allan belt and solar flares etc...

 

[Legman]

It was insinuated that Democrats are “better” than Republicans in this respect. I’m just pointing out that if Democrats are “better” than Republicans what have they been doing with the past 2 years?

i never insinuated shit

the war was started by republicans, while a republican president was in office, so i dont wanna hear it

and yea, obama is a fuck up to, democrat republican, they both corrupt

but as far as us spending nearly a trillion dollars on a war, instead of on research, medicine, or investment into our own country

that was all republicans

so yea, fuck em

and people are acting like everyone in american wanted this war...when you live in a corruption filled country, your vote or opinion or thoughts mean horseshit, we didnt want it, it was forced on us

 

[Timm]

LULZ...


So do you really think the suns light, reflects the same way on the moon, as it does on the earth?

Do you think the shadows are relative to the shadows on the earth?

the proportions are way different on the moon, they say it looks weird when walking on it because something 1 mile away looks inches away

 

[4SidedLie]

This reminds me of the skit George carlin did on going to mars
how do I add a video on here? it never works anymore

 

[BABY]

mars is too close. send me somewhere far.

 

[HIM]

I say f--k going to another planet and setting up shop..lets just all get space suits and float and kick it in outer space...

 

[MRTHECOSE]

LULZ...


So do you really think the suns light, reflects the same way on the moon, as it does on the earth?

Do you think the shadows on the moon are relative to the shadows on the earth?

sorry man, but I have a close relative who worked for Lockheed @ the time of landing, & there is no way in hell it was a farce... There is no way in hell that person would lie, or make up stories ( in fact it is one of those "back in my day" stories when he tells it )

Vietnam vet i worked with told me his son witnessed the pentagon attack. wasnt allowed to leave an unmarked building near the pentagon for 3 days after the attack on 9-11.while under custody of men who said they work in the pentagon... when he (son)got out he said that it was a 757 plane that made that small missile hole in the pentagon..and thats what he was told was the truth... so i asked him do u believe your son after watching all those videos of something that is clearly not a plane of that size going through the wall?? he said, "yeah, because i believe my son".






heres a vid