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Saw the movie last night, AMAZING.

HERESY, who was the guy in the black cape seen in the background of certain scenes, especially at the end. Was that the devil?
 

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@NITRO THAT WAS HA-SHATAN (SATAN). I DON'T KNOW *WHO* THAT BABY WAS. HE (THE BABY) COULD HAVE REPRESENTED THE ANTICHRIST. HE COULD HAVE BEEN HOLDING THAT BABY TO SHOW YESHUA "I'M A FATHER AND I TAKE CARE OF MY CHILD. WHERE IS YOUR FATHER? WHY ISN'T HE COMFORTING YOU?". THE HELL SPAWN LOOKED SICK AS HELL!!!!!!! LMAO@ HIS SMILE!!!!!!!! THAT GUY REMINDED ME OF THE CREATURE THAT TERRAPATCH HAD IN HIS SIG.


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I finally got to see the movie today.
WARNING, SOME SPOILERS!!!!
Great movie! Jim Caviezel put in one of the best actor performances I have ever seen.
It looked as if though he was really in pain. He made the Jesus character come alive. It's hard to describe it but the cat was very convincing, even from the beginning as Jesus was praying.
Gibson really captured you, it felt as if though you were there, watching everything from a third person perspective.
Woaw....
The images of a bloody Jesus still haunt me....

I can't stop thinking about the movie....
Caviezel is the best Jesus to date, he didn't look too white and is the closest looking to the real thing to date.
And for you Lewis Faracon's out there, Satan was played by a white man....
I kid you not!

The movie is not 100% accurate for the most part. It's more like 90% but that is due to the fact that Mel added some incerts here and there. Which were welcomed, pretty cool symbolic stuff. Like Satan carrying the anti-christ in his arms while Jesus was being beaten. The demons tormenting Judas were cool.... And then Satan screaming in pain at the end knowing that Jesus succeeded in savang humanity. I thought that there was very cool.
But my favorite part of the movie was when Mary held Jesus' dead body in her arms and she looked straight ahead. Stared straight torwards the camera, givin an earie feeling that she was looking at us, the audience. Nice touch on Mel's part, Mary's sad stare said a million words.... Thus giving everyone the feeling that we need to change our ways, cuz Jesus died for our sake....

A great movie....
I feel that this movie is aimed at non-believers, I didn't really learn anything new. And I'm sure its the same for everyone else who has read the gospels.
I know, I know non-believers will be touched by this movie.
How can you not?
Some deep stuff....
I just hope more of you go see this movie. Hopefully it will touch the spirit with in you....
Society has killed your conscious, hopefully the reality of Jesus' crucifixion will snap you out of the spell you are under....
 
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miggidy said:
And for you Lewis Faracon's out there, Satan was played by a white man....
I kid you not!
Yes, you do....
Rosalinda Celentano doesn't look very much like a white man...




I saw this movie yesterday it felt kinda like christian porn because of all the endless amount of slow-motion falling and didn't tell much about who Jesus were, and that made me feel less for the character and after a while it just got boring.
Take Braveheart, another Mel Gibson movie, in that movie there's also a historical character that goes through a lot of pain (details about William Wallace's gruesome execution) but you feel more for the character because you see his life.

It was sad to see though that people hasn't changed and we still crucify those who the yelling mob consider blasphemers.
Unfortunately this message will go above the head of most who see it. It's also sad that the same people that got enraged because Little Timmy saw a black tit during the superbowl have no problems with taking Little Timmy to see this movie even though it's R rated.

I don't understand why people hate the people that killed Jesus though, if he wasn't killed there would be no christianity.

This review pretty much sums up my feelings about the picture more articulate then I could :
It is impossible to view a work of art objectively. Human beings accumulate numerous experiences, thoughts, and emotions in the course of our lifetime, and when we enter a theater or gallery or concert hall, we carry this baggage with us. The way we view a piece of art is in many ways a reflection of how you view life as a whole.

Never has this been more true than in the case of Mel Gibson's new film "The Passion of the Christ," a truly critic-proof movie if there ever was one. The saved will find affirmation of their faith in the course of its 135 minutes, while the atheist will find little more than a big budget snuff film. Both views are accurate. Very little happens outside of Jesus being captured, tried, tortured, and ultimately killed. Gibson has made no secret of his movie's purpose: it is a brutally realistic portrayal of the last twelve hours of Jesus's life, and to show the extent of Christ's suffering on the behalf of all mankind. There is no question that he succeeds; my purpose is to simply report how well he succeeds in my eyes.

As I said before, what we get out of this film is largely dependent on what we bring to the table, so it's worth clarifying where I come from. I find the story of Jesus fascinating in the same way I find all mythology fascinating, in moving in the way any well-told story is moving. However, I have no spiritual investment in the tale, and believe some of it should be taken with a grain of salt. When I watch a movie I want to be wrapped up in the action on screen and to feel what the characters are feeling (which is why people who talk during a movie annoy me so much.) I come into every film wanting to be moved in some way, and this one is no different. Unfortunately, it failed in this respect.

The single biggest complaint that could be leveled against the film is that there is little to no context given for what we see. We recognize Jesus as a religious icon, but we are given no reason to really care about him as a person, and the same goes for virtually every other character. The apostles simply watch passively as their savior is turned into hamburger meat. Mary Magdalene does a lot of crying but not much else. Pontius Pilate is the only figure who's really engaging. There are flashbacks to earlier chapters in Jesus's life tossed in at seemingly random intervals, but these are often seen after the emotional payoff these scenes would normally lead to (Peter's denial is a good example of this.) Some may argue that most people watching the film are already familiar with the backstory, but this is akin to Peter Jackson making Return of the King but not bothering with the earlier installments: even if you've read it before, you don't have any real emotional investment in the characters. It could also be argued that many details are left intentionally vague to inspire the audience to pick up a bible and look it up; but if that's the case, the film only succeeds as a conversion tool, not as a story.

This is a shame because some of the performances are so good. For as little screentime as he has, Peter is played with just the right mix of guilt and affection. Jim Caravaziel's as Jesus is almost wasted in this film. We get glimpses of the sermon on the mount and the last supper which show the messiah as a loving son, a caring friend, and a charismatic speaker. Unfortunately, these moments are few and far between, and the majority of the performance consists of bleeding and gasping for breath. When Pontius Pilate is a more compelling character than Jesus Christ himself, you know something's wrong.

Technically the film is well made. The cinematography is beautiful, and several shots are stunning. The art direction and costumes create a Jerusalem that feels like an accurate representation of that time and place. But at the same time the music and editing are consistently distracting in their heavy-handedness. Gibson showed his obsession with slow-motion in Braveheart, and there's even more of it here. Early in the film we're given one of the most inept action sequences I have ever witnessed, filled entirely in slow-motion. The few shots that start out normal end up slowing down as well. Later as Jesus is carrying the cross through the streets of Jerusalem, he falls six times and each one takes an eternity thanks to Gibson's eagerness to undercrank every shot he can. The crucifiction itself is lingered upon with almost masochistic attention to detail.

Much has been made of the violence in the film, but it serves a purpose. The physical agony and suffering of Christ is shown to the fullest extent, and it drives home the point in spectacular fashion. But then there are other scenes added for shock value and nothing more. A crow pecks out the eye of one of the other crucifiction victims and it feels as if Dario Argento took over the camera for a day. Judas hangs himself as the camera lingers on a rotting carcass in extreme close-up. In fact, the entire Judas subplot is filled with inexplicable and pointless details like a band of evil children chasing him out of town. And then another demon child pops up accompanied by the devil in a different bizarre detour as Jesus is scourged. With the exception of the opening scene of the film, Satan's presence seems like a strange afterthought, as he simply prowls the sidelines watching the going-ons. Worst of all, the Romans are reduced to cartoon villains, cackling, spitting, ugly charicatures with bad teeth. Their portrayal was gratuitous and unnecessary.

I don't think I liked the film. I appreciated Gibson's obvious passion for the material, and the attention paid to detail. But I left the picture feeling as if I had watched a man be tortured for two hours. And that's just the problem. He was just a man and a symbol in the film, not someone I cared for, not the savior of mankind. With the proper development of the characters and events leading up to the crucifiction, "The Passion" could have been one of the most moving films ever made. Instead, when Jesus is finally removed from the cross I felt only relief that it was over. We are given a shot of Mary cradling her son's lifeless body in her arms; it's a beautiful shot, and almost breathtaking. It's then immediately followed by Jesus's resurrection, which is handled so cheesily (complete with CG stigmata and pounding drums as if it were some kind of revenge fantasy) that I had to roll my eyes. Those two reactions pretty much summed up the entire experience for me.
 
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Droopy Eye said:
I don't understand why people hate the people that killed Jesus though, if he wasn't killed there would be no christianity.
Jesus was teaching Christianity while he was alive. Whether he was murdered, or died of old age, the Bible would still be written, and his religion would still be followed.

Droopy Eye said:
Yes, you do.... Rosalinda Celentano doesn't look very much like a white man...
Whoever played the role, had their face painted pale white, so it doesn't really matter weather it was a male/female, white/black person. Satan was portrayed as being white, thats all there is to it.

miggidy said:
But my favorite part of the movie was when Mary held Jesus' dead body in her arms and she looked straight ahead. Stared straight torwards the camera, givin an earie feeling that she was looking at us, the audience. Nice touch on Mel's part, Mary's sad stare said a million words.... Thus giving everyone the feeling that we need to change our ways, cuz Jesus died for our sake....
I agree, that scene was very moving.
 
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Droopy Eye said:
I saw this movie yesterday it felt kinda like christian porn because of all the endless amount of slow-motion falling and didn't tell much about who Jesus were, and that made me feel less for the character and after a while it just got boring.
Take Braveheart, another Mel Gibson movie, in that movie there's also a historical character that goes through a lot of pain (details about William Wallace's gruesome execution) but you feel more for the character because you see his life.
The plot of the movie is based on the final 12 hours of Jesus' death. That was the idea of the movie, it wasn't meant to tell the complete story. So this isn't fair criticism.
Dig up some other excuse....

Droopy Eye said:

It's also sad that the same people that got enraged because Little Timmy saw a black tit during the superbowl have no problems with taking Little Timmy to see this movie even though it's R rated.
That's from your perspective.

A bitch slap with the back hand to any believer of Christ who complained about the violence in the movie!

How dare they? How can a believer sit there and say, "That was too much! Mel should've toned it down a little!".
So painful they can't even watch it eh? Idiots! If you can't bare watching it, how do you think it was like for He who lived it????

Droopy Eye said:

I don't understand why people hate the people that killed Jesus though, if he wasn't killed there would be no christianity.
Anyone who hates the people who killed Jesus is a hypocrite.
If you believed that Jesus was killed then you also believed he died because of you....
 

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IF *ANYONE* WATCHED THAT MOVIE IN HOPES OF A HISTORY LESSON OR EXPLANATION THEY DESERVED TO BE FLOGGED. IT WASN'T MEANT TO SHOW HIS LIFE, WHAT HE DID ETC ETC ETC. IT WAS MEANT TO SHOW A *SPECIFIC* PART OF HIS LIFE. HIS ARREST, TRIAL, BEATING, DEATH AND RESURRECTION. WHATS WRONG WITH SHOWING THAT? IF HE TRIED TO CRAM HIS LIFE (BASED ON THE GOSPELS) IN 2 HOURS IT WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED. IF YOU WANT TO SEE A MOVIE ABOUT HIS LIFE WATCH "JESUS OF NAZARETH" OR "THE GOSPEL OF JOHN". WHY NOT FOCUS ON HIS DEATH? IF NO DEATH WAS TO OCCUR YOU WOULD HAVE NO "SAVIOUR" OR PARDON. I FEEL THE MOVIE WAS MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS CHRISTIANS. NOT AS AN AFFRIMATION OF FAITH BUT TO TEST FAITH. HOW MANY CHRISTIANS ARE WILLING TO GO THROUGH SEVERE BEATINGS FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN? HOW MANY ARE WILLING TO BE PERSECUTED? NOT MANY BECAUSE THE "AVERAGE" CHURCH IS PREACHING THAT YOU WON'T SUFFER. THATS NOT WHAT YESHUA TAUGHT. HE *NEVER* TAUGHT HIS FOLLOWERS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE SCORNED, RIDICULED, BEATEN, PUT TO DEATH AND OSTRACIZED.



JUST MY OPINION.


@NITRO YESHUA*NEVER* PREACHED "CHRISTIANITY".
 
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Heresy, If Jesus never preached Christianity what did he preach?
The apostles were known as "Christians", what did they preach?

And just to let everyone know, there's rumors that Mel wants to direct a prequel. Which will then cover Jesus' preachings....
But I think people need to make a movie about the apostles, following Jesus' resurrection. I think that's the most important thing in the bible next to the life of Jesus. They finished off God's mission of man's salvation, yet it's never been covered in movies....
I think all these stupid Christian denominations and "spin offs"/ cults would learn a lot from it....
 
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miggidy said:
it felt as if though you were there, watching everything from a third person perspective.
As opposed to?
miggidy said:
I can't stop thinking about the movie....
Caviezel is the best Jesus to date, he didn't look too white and is the closest looking to the real thing to date.
And for you Lewis Faracon's out there, Satan was played by a white man....
I kid you not!

The movie is not 100% accurate for the most part. It's more like 90% but that is due to the fact that Mel added some incerts here and there. Which were welcomed, pretty cool symbolic stuff. Like Satan carrying the anti-christ in his arms while Jesus was being beaten. The demons tormenting Judas were cool.... And then Satan screaming in pain at the end knowing that Jesus succeeded in savang humanity. I thought that there was very cool.
But my favorite part of the movie was when Mary held Jesus' dead body in her arms and she looked straight ahead. Stared straight torwards the camera, givin an earie feeling that she was looking at us, the audience. Nice touch on Mel's part, Mary's sad stare said a million words.... Thus giving everyone the feeling that we need to change our ways, cuz Jesus died for our sake....

A great movie....
I feel that this movie is aimed at non-believers, I didn't really learn anything new. And I'm sure its the same for everyone else who has read the gospels.
I know, I know non-believers will be touched by this movie.
How can you not?
Some deep stuff....
I just hope more of you go see this movie. Hopefully it will touch the spirit with in you....
Society has killed your conscious, hopefully the reality of Jesus' crucifixion will snap you out of the spell you are under....
good review. Can't wait to see this. I might have to wait till friday but it seems like its worth it.
 

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miggidy said:
Heresy, If Jesus never preached Christianity what did he preach?
The apostles were known as "Christians", what did they preach?

And just to let everyone know, there's rumors that Mel wants to direct a prequel. Which will then cover Jesus' preachings....
But I think people need to make a movie about the apostles, following Jesus' resurrection. I think that's the most important thing in the bible next to the life of Jesus. They finished off God's mission of man's salvation, yet it's never been covered in movies....
I think all these stupid Christian denominations and "spin offs"/ cults would learn a lot from it....
1. Yeshua was a jew. He told people to observe Torah.


2. The followers of Yeshua were not called "christian" until 40-70 years after the fact. They were called "PEOPLE OF THE WAY" or "FOLLOWERS OF THE WAY".