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Feb 14, 2004
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Is slump the beginning of the end for Ichiro?

Data: .260/.313/.303, 0 HR, 20 RBIs, 14 SB, 4 CS, 20 BB/19 K

Malfunction: It looks like a misprint. Ichiro isn't just batting under .300 in June — something that has only happened in one other season, his difficult 2005 season in which he hit .303 — but he's struggling to hit .250 in June. He isn't just a few hits from the league lead — he has been the major league leader in hits for the past five consecutive seasons — he's tied for 28th in the majors. What's more, after spending years as one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball, all the top defensive stats agree that this year he's started to slip badly, and manager Eric Wedge has already given him three starts at DH. (But he hasn't yet given Ichiro a day off.) Is this the beginning of the end for Ichiro?

Diagnosis: Power was never a big part of his game, but that has pretty much vanished with the singles. He's walking more and striking out less, but while he's making more contact than ever — a career-high 92 percent contact rate, tied for third in the majors — his otherworldly ability to deposit the ball exactly where he wants appears to be slipping. His Batting Average on Balls in Play (BABIP) is .280, which is just 10 points lower than the major league average, but it's 74 points below his career average of .354, which is tied with Derek Jeter(notes) as the fifth-highest career BABIP of all time. (The four players above Ichiro and Derek? Ty Cobb, Rogers Hornsby, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and Rod Carew.) Ichiro is the sort of player who's supposed to age gracefully: typically, big lumbering slow guys who hit a lot of home runs, draw a lot of walks, and strike out a lot (these are collectively known as "old player skills") are the sort of people who age quickly, and fast finesse guys are the guys who manage to hang around for a long time, like Omar Vizquel(notes) or Kenny Lofton.

It's hard to tell how much of this decline is permanent and how much is just a fluke, but the first place to start is speed. He's already equaled last year's total of three GIDPs, his defensive stats are worse, and after two straight years with at least 60 infield singles, he's on pace for just 42. On the other hand, he has 14 stolen bases in 18 tries, and his Fangraphs Speed Score this year is 5.7, better than the 5.2 he posted in 2009 or 5.4 he posted in 2010. (Speed Score is a stat that "is an average of Stolen Base Percentage, Frequency of Stolen Base Attempts, Percentage of Triples, and Runs Scored Percentage.")

Still, he's already 37, and he's an old 37. He's been playing major league baseball — first in the Japanese NPB, and then in MLB — since he was 18 years old. In 20 overall seasons, he's played 2,706 games, 1,649 in 11 years in MLB. That's a lot of miles on any set of wheels.

A scout whom Jayson Stark talked to was cautiously optimistic about the rest of Ichiro's season: "He's slowing up. But I don't think he's headed for rock bottom any time soon."

Some stat analysts are reaching the same conclusion, like Matthew at Lookout Landing:

  • Ichiro may be finally declining, but it is highly unlikely that the beginning of that decline would see his BABIP drop from .336 (April) to .214 (May). Maybe 10-15 percent of that drop could be legitimately the result of Ichiro aging, or not adjusting to more inside pitches or whatever. However, the vast majority is probably just plain bad luck.
Reboot Directions: Ichiro isn't the player he was 10 years ago: he'll probably never hit .370 again. But while his skills have diminished, particularly in the field, it's very likely that a large share of his struggles this year are related to bad luck rather than the aging process. It is more probable that he is a true talent .300 hitter who's simply getting unlucky, rather than a true talent .260 hitter who is getting precisely what he deserves. Unfortunately, the Mariners have a ton of problems on offense, and the face of their franchise is just one of many.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...t=AnFPfrbSP3CidIugYk3TI4IRvLYF?urn=mlb-wp8806
 
Aug 24, 2003
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Olivo is tearin it up, too bad he couldn't have been like this when we first got him in 2004 lol
lol me and a friend were talking about that shit earlier

oh by the way the past few games we shot up from dead last in homers to like 12th overall in homers. not too shabby

we also no longer have a negative scoring differential
 
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When you've got the worst offense in the American League (lowest average, OBP and slugging), every potential upgrade has to be considered. With that in mind, let's welcome touted prospect Dustin Ackley to Seattle.

The Mariners made the call to Ackley after their victory Wednesday, and the 23-year-old second baseman will officially be promoted (and in the starting lineup) when the Ms return to action Friday at home against Philadelphia. "It's time to get him up here," manager Eric Wedge conceded. Prospects hounds and Seattle fans are thrilled at the move; we get to watch an exciting young player, and we no longer have to watch Jack Wilson flail away at the dish (.239/.266/.265, a dreadful slash).

Ackley was off to a tidy .300/.418/.487 start with Triple-A Tacoma this year, with nine homers and seven steals (10 attempts). He's also collected 55 walks against 38 strikeouts, a clear sign he's outgrown minor-league pitching. He was the second overall pick in the 2009 draft (following Stephen Strasbur, and he was Baseball America's No. 12 rated prospect entering 2011.

Ackley's bat is probably more ready than his glove; he's in his second year of second-base play after originally being drafted as an outfielder and first baseman out of North Carolina. The Mariners already have plus defenders at a lot of key spots; for now, they'll be happy if the kid can offer some offense right away...

http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blo...Mariners-summon-Dustin-Ack?urn=fantasy-wp3914
 
Aug 24, 2003
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thats a shame, the whole game had a playoffs feel to it.

he went 1/4 with a single right up the middle
made a solid double play with the assistance of figgins
made routine plays like it was no big deal
was putting the bat on the ball, was patient


pineda went no hits through the fifth inning though, was beasting it up