THE OFFICIAL OAKLAND RAIDERS 2009 OFFSEASON THREAD

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Joey

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I went to that Raider Nation Celebration today and let me tell you from what i saw and alot of the surrounding fans saw.....Russell has not changed a bit......He is lazy and still inaccurate......DHB.....his hand are highly questionable.......A slant that was thrown to him in the red zone was bobbled and intercepted..........The pass was right to him.......Sure hes fast but if he has no hands he's useless.......Russell was late on his reads and picked off with ease.........A simple pass to a Wide out was high and the reciver would have got his top knocked off in a real game........

Defense will be solid......but from what i have seen and read.......Russell is not the one....although i hope he is.........hope is all i have man...He's fuckin lazy....

These rookies are making to much money and they get satisfied..........I shouldnt have went to this shit......My hopes were high for the season.......If we dont play garcia early our chances will slip away quick fast and hurry...for a winnning season
 

Joey

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what did you see that made you think JR was still lazy?
Basically the dropback was slow and lazy....Maybe they were going half speed but he just dosent seem to give a fuck......That money he got took his hunger away IMO....The routes were developed and he wasnt throwing the ball.......In most cases he would of been sacked.....Those in accurate passes are killing me.....Since we were in the front and it was free seating the fans got a good look at a practice........I feel the running game and line will be solid though....But russell will have to be replaced.......And i hope im wrong about that....
 
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I can only hope he was going half speed but I went last year to that Raider & Pats game and the way joey talks about Russell is the way it he played in that game it was the only game I went to last year and by the end of the year he was playing better. I can only hope he doesnt start this year like he did last year or its going to be another long season and his going to end up on the bench.
 

Meta4iCAL

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I want Russel to succeed, but more than that I want the Raiders to succeed.

I'm not a Jamarcus Russell fan... I'm a RAIDERS fan

so whatever it takes for us to win some damn games, I'm all for it... whether it be Russell, Jeff Garcia, shit I don't give a fuck if it's fucking Charlie Frye!

If you're wearing Silver and Black and helping the team win it's all good
 

NAMO

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Basically the dropback was slow and lazy....Maybe they were going half speed but he just dosent seem to give a fuck......That money he got took his hunger away IMO....The routes were developed and he wasnt throwing the ball.......In most cases he would of been sacked.....Those in accurate passes are killing me.....Since we were in the front and it was free seating the fans got a good look at a practice........I feel the running game and line will be solid though....But russell will have to be replaced.......And i hope im wrong about that....
Hmmm wouldn't that be a hard assumption to make that he is lazy when they might in fact be going at half speed? No excuse for the innacurate passes though, thats not really a good sign.

Can you tell me a bit more about what they were practicing on, what routes and on what type of D he was facing, if you can, thanks man.


Also I got no doubt the line will be better, no kwame harris lol. Little bit more dicipline will go along way I think, I expect you guys to have a much better season this year, particularly on offense.
 

Joey

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@ Meta4ical i want the raiders to succed just like most fans on here do.....But the first overall pick in the NFL draft? I mean shit man...We had high hopes for him feel me.....Yeah whatever it takes but if it isnt with Russell then we wasted yet another draft pick..........ANd making bad draft picks as we all know dosent make a good team........

@outcastedoutlaw.....The coverage in 7 on 7 was mostly man......he wasnt throwing the damn ball when the routes developed and checking down to the tailback.....But by the time he hit the check down he would of been done....unless we got some good protection.........And the scrimmage to tell you the truth im not sure what d it was.......I was so focused on what russell was looking like i only followed the ball to the wide out........and another thing when wide outs caught most of the balls they were not in stride.......A good amount of catches were low they would have to drop down and get em.............
 
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Gallery returns, Murphy-Mitchell scuffle

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News and notes from Monday’s Raiders pracitce session:

– Robert Gallery returned from what what coach Tom Cable originally termed “appendix-itis,” getting some reps in with the first team a few days earlier than expected. He spent the first 12 days of practice on the non-football illness/injury list after an emergency appendectomy two weeks before camp started.

“I didn’t do a whole lot, but you’ve got to start somewhere,” Gallery said. “I know I’m a little rusty with the timing and that stuff but it felt good to be out there.”

Cable ruled Gallery out of the Cowboys game. Gallery is hoping to be ready to face the San Francisco 49ers the following week.

“I would hope the second. It is up to the doctors,” Gallery said. “ They will let me know. I hope to be back to full speed by the end of the week I hope, we will see.”

– On the day the Raiders reported for training camp, safety Mike Mitchell, tongue planted firmly in his cheek, announced he wanted a piece of fellow rookie Louis Murphy. Murphy, Mitchell explained was talking too much about Florida and not giving enough respect to Ohio.

So it was at least mildly interesting when Murphy and Mitchell tangled after a running play, with a shoving match escalating to a fight. Murphy lost his helmet, then unwisely took a swing, hitting Mitchell in the helmet.

Fortunately, no broken bones.

While Raiders coaches all the way back through Jon Gruden frowned on fights between teammates, Cable is more old school. If the fisticuffs aren’t beneficial, he believes they’re a necessary evil.

“Having little quarrels is good, remember that,” Cable said. “This is football and they’re men. If you have a brother you know it’s OK to settle some things once in awhile.”

Mitchell remembered the reporting day call-out and said it hadn’t gone exactly as planned.

“I didn’t want to get him like that,” Mitchell said. “I wanted to get him in the field. I should win in a wrestling match. He is a receiver.”

But seriously, though . . .

“Louis is one of my best friends, actually, in life. We bonded over the summer and he’s definitely one of my guys,” Mitchell said. “It was hot out there today. I don’t know, things happen, but we talked about it afterwards. He’s going through some stuff right now so it’s all good.”

Murphy said, “Me and Mitch, we’re good friends, we quarrel like good friends.”

Some teammates seemed willing to let the rookies mix it up until Murphy lost his helmet, amused at the youthful exhibition.

“When you get older you realize it doesn’t do you any good except get you tired,” Gallery said.

– Darrius Heyward-Bey had a practice that made his drop-filled opening sessions of a week ago seem like a distant memory.

After taking a day off with a sore toe, Heyward-Bey caught everything that came his way, including a difficult over-the-shoulder deep pass along the sideline from Charlie Frye that required a difficult in-flight adjustment.

“I thought maybe this was Darrius’ best day in camp,” Cable said. “Caught the ball well, caught everything, the underneath, the over the top, the big ball on the sideline, the one-handed catch. Those (help) his confidence. We want to keep that coming.”

– Kirk Morrison seemed to take his rose-colored glasses off for a minute when assessing the sudden competition for his job at middle linebacker.

Morrison was with the first team Monday, but has been pushed by Ricky Brown, who is also competing with Jon Alston on the strong side.

“I’m taking every practice like I’m trying to win my job,” Morrison said. “Trying to leave no doubt. I know how this business is. Especially going into a contract year . . . the organization is always trying to replace you no matter what . . . this league is always about, `What have you done for me lately.’ ”

Morrison cited the Baltimore Ravens releasing Trent Dilfer a day he was the starting quarterback in the Super Bowl as evidence, although he could have brought up his own ascension to the middle. That came when the Raiders pushed aside veteran Danny Clark for Morrison, who was a weak side starter as a rookie.

–John Bowie was held out with a groin injury, while Justin Fargas was out with a sore hip. Cornell Green and Cooper Carlisle were rested. Still no Jeff Garcia, out with a calf injury. Asked how he was coming along as he left the field house, Garcia said, “Slower than I thought.”

– We’ll have a better idea Thursday, but Cable said he’s seen enough to lead him to believe the Raiders have shored up their run defense through discipline and better gap control.

“I’ve certainly seen it get better. We’re starting to squeeze things, have people overlapping gaps where we’re supposed to be,” Cable said. But we’ll find out starting Thursday. Dallas is a big, physical team, likes to run in it, too.”

– It was your classic training camp conundrum. JaMarcus Russell, looking for Darren McFadden on a slant, threw the ball directly to Nnamdi Asomugha, who took it the other way for a would-be touchdown.

A poor throw by Russell or a heady move by the NFL’s top cornerback?

“I thought Nnam almost knew what was coming and read it, made a great break on the ball,” Cable said. “It was a front shoulder throw. It was where it was supposed to be. But really, that’s a great play by Nnam.”

It’s a common complaint by receivers, who feel teammates know their routes beforehand.

“That’s camp,” Cable said. “You also know when they make calls what blitz is coming, that sort of thing. That’s just camp. That’s the way it is.”

– Russell had some sequences where he threw some passes in the flat with a nice touch, plays which which could be big with McFadden and Michael Bush in the backfield. He also lofted a 25-plus yard beauty to Johnnie Lee Higgins on the sideline, dropping it in nicely rather than unleashing the full force of his arm.

– Javon Walker continued to work out hard and look very close to returning, although it could be another 10 days to two weeks.

“Obviously, they’re still taking their time with me,” Walker said. “I am going to get my chances in preseason. I’m not sure if it’s this week or the next week or the week after that. I’m just excited to . . . feel like my old self again, where nothing’s really bothering me.”

– Additonal practice highlights are available on my Twitter page.

– The Raiders practice twice today at 8:20 a.m. and 4:20 p.m., and once Wednesday for a walkthrough before the Dallas game.
 

Tony

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– Darrius Heyward-Bey had a practice that made his drop-filled opening sessions of a week ago seem like a distant memory.

After taking a day off with a sore toe, Heyward-Bey caught everything that came his way, including a difficult over-the-shoulder deep pass along the sideline from Charlie Frye that required a difficult in-flight adjustment.

“I thought maybe this was Darrius’ best day in camp,” Cable said. “Caught the ball well, caught everything, the underneath, the over the top, the big ball on the sideline, the one-handed catch. Those (help) his confidence. We want to keep that coming.”
Mmmmmm, hmmmmmm
 

Meta4iCAL

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@ Meta4ical i want the raiders to succed just like most fans on here do.....But the first overall pick in the NFL draft? I mean shit man...We had high hopes for him feel me.....Yeah whatever it takes but if it isnt with Russell then we wasted yet another draft pick..........ANd making bad draft picks as we all know dosent make a good team........
I agree... I would hate it if we had to give up on Russel... but it's just like... if it looks like if he's not gonna work out he's not gonna work out

obviously we're not giving up on him yet... but when do you give up on him... it's like the Niners still not giving up on Alex Smith

I would rather Russell succeed and be the starter... but if he can't... let Jeff Garcia do his thang... at least for the remainder of the season... after that we'll see what's up... and remember... benching Russell doesn't mean we're completely giving up on him, just means we're not gonna start him for a while
 

Tony

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Why are we even on the subject of Russell being replaced? He's heading into his 2nd season as starter and he still has room to grow and improve. Experience is the best teacher. He didn't play all that bad to be talking about being replaced and I don't think he'll play that bad. Russell is our number one pick franchise qb and we're sticking with him. We have too much money invested in him to be talking about any other qb's playing this year. If Russell gets hurt then in comes Garcia, but only if he gets hurt.
 

Joey

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Russell is our number one pick franchise qb and we're sticking with him. We have too much money invested in him to be talking about any other qb's playing this year. If Russell gets hurt then in comes Garcia, but only if he gets hurt.
Al has spoken......This makes it offical then......Im on board Al.....
 

Tony

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Seriously speaking... JR is still developing and this team is being built around JR's talents. So why even think about benching him if he performs poorly at some point during the season? He'll work through it, all QB's struggle at some point in their careers. He's our franchise qb and we're sticking with him through thick and thin.
 
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With the regular season less than a month away, Football Outsiders uses its unique brand of analysis to break down each of the league's 32 teams. The series continues in the AFC West with the Oakland Raiders.



Season Preview -- Oakland Raiders


While the spotlight in the Bay Area remains firmly on the quarterback position, the Oakland Raiders look to see continued growth from a favored receiver while staving off a decline in the secondary.



To see which player could soar, which could sink and who you need to be watching before the opener, you must be an ESPN Insider.

One up: TE Zach Miller



Nobody thinks of the Raiders as having a good passing offense, but sometimes you'll find a good receiver hidden in a bad passing game. That's the case in Oakland, where Zach Miller has developed as JaMarcus Russell's safety blanket and one of the better receiving tight ends in the league. Here's a look at the most similar tight ends over their first two seasons in the league:



YEAR 1 YEAR 2
Player Years Team Rec Yds TD Yds/Rec Rec Yds TD Yds/Rec
Zach Miller '07-'08 OAK 44 444 3 10.1 56 778 1 13.9
Dan Ross '79-'80 CIN 41 516 1 12.6 56 724 4 12.9
Ozzie Newsome '78-'79 CLE 38 589 2 15.5 55 781 9 14.2
Owen Daniels '06-'07 HOU 34 352 5 10.4 63 768 3 12.2
Rickey Dudley '96-'97 OAK 34 386 4 11.4 48 787 7 16.4
Chris Cooley '04-'05 WAS 37 314 6 8.5 71 774 7 10.9
Randy McMichael '02-'03 MIA 39 485 4 12.4 49 598 2 12.2
Tony Gonzalez '97-'98 KC 33 368 2 11.2 59 621 2 10.5


Oakland fans won't be too happy if they have Rickey Dudley Part 2, but those other names have to have them pretty excited.



Trending down: CB Chris Johnson


Anyone would have seemed like a better choice at starting cornerback after the disaster that was DeAngelo Hall's half-season in Oakland. But Chris Johnson wasn't just better by comparison; he had a legitimately good season when he took over the starting spot across from All-Pro Nnamdi Asomugha. Football Outsiders' game charters rated Johnson very highly -- he ended up second among all cornerbacks in Success Rate (defined here) and eighth in yards allowed per pass. The Raiders signed him to a four-year, $11.3 million contract after the season, but you have to wonder whether they're going to get the same player they got in 2008. Johnson is a 30-year-old veteran who has bounced around to four teams since Green Bay drafted him in the seventh round in 2003. He didn't play in a regular-season game as recently as 2006, and he had one career start before last season. Last year's half-season performance screams "fluke."



Three And Out: Raiders
AFC West blogger Bill Williamson has thoughts on JaMarcus Russell, second-year wideout Chaz Schilens and the various defensive position battles going on at Raiders camp. Three and Out


One to watch: LT Mario Henderson


The Raiders chose tackle Mario Henderson out of Florida State in the third round of the 2007 draft, and he finally ascended to the starting lineup in December 2008. This season, he's firmly entrenched as the Raiders' starting left tackle. Henderson's strengths include proper technique with his hands, moving his feet laterally and -- unique for an Oakland lineman -- avoiding penalties. (He earned no flags last season.) Oakland's pass protection has been awful for years now, and its run blocking declined in 2008 after a strong 2007. The Raiders believe Henderson can develop into a Pro Bowl-level tackle, and if they want to contend this year, they'll need that to happen immediately.
 
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– The National Football Post is reporting the Raiders have shown some interest in free agent lineabacker Derrick Brooks, although “it was unknown what their level of interest is.”

Brooks, a player with Hall of Fame credentials, was exclusively a weak side linebacker in Tampa 2 defense throughout his career. The Raiders have what they believe to be their weak side linebacker for the next several years in Thomas Howard.

So it could be no more than the Raiders having their name floated as a possibility in order to get another team (like New Orleans) to react.

Besides, would Brooks want to change positions at this point in his career? If he did, and was moved to the strong side, economics say Ricky Brown, who received a high $1.7 million tender to prevent him from being a free agent, could dislodge Kirk Morrison in the middle.

Jon Alston the strong side starter last season after Brown was injured, is sidelined with plantar faciatis and Cable said he wanted to get a good look at rookie fourth-round pick Slade Norris against Dallas.

Morrison is in the final year of his contract and acknowledged Monday he was fighting for his job.