The Official Golden State Warriors 2009-2010 Season
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i know what ur saying with the ball movement and shit, but maybe ur more a fan of college ball, where that shit matters more?
the nba is more about breaking ur man down and either scoring or creating a play for a teammate. both monta and maggette are good at.
yes u need ball movement too, but there are many other flaws with our team than a lack of ball movement. and our ball movement is nowhere near as bad as u were trying to make it sound, especially monta and maggette. they have both improved in that area this year a lot and have both taken on more leadership than they ever have in their career.
its not a secret that curry is a more natural point than monta. curry did go to college so he got more fundamentals and while being a smarter, more cerebral player, its also due to the fact he isnt as athletic as other guys like monta.
monta has improved every year at a ridiculous rate, he appears to continue on that. for a kid out of high school, he is a freak and already one of the best players ever straight out of high school.
there is no reason we cant be successful with both, and they will help each other grow and get better. they already have.
and while some people question the size for defense, they have both shown they are much stronger defensively than people ever imagined. we've seen monta guard the leagues best players this year very well, including huge size mismatches like carmelo, granger, and durant.
the nba is more about breaking ur man down and either scoring or creating a play for a teammate. both monta and maggette are good at.
yes u need ball movement too, but there are many other flaws with our team than a lack of ball movement. and our ball movement is nowhere near as bad as u were trying to make it sound, especially monta and maggette. they have both improved in that area this year a lot and have both taken on more leadership than they ever have in their career.
its not a secret that curry is a more natural point than monta. curry did go to college so he got more fundamentals and while being a smarter, more cerebral player, its also due to the fact he isnt as athletic as other guys like monta.
monta has improved every year at a ridiculous rate, he appears to continue on that. for a kid out of high school, he is a freak and already one of the best players ever straight out of high school.
there is no reason we cant be successful with both, and they will help each other grow and get better. they already have.
and while some people question the size for defense, they have both shown they are much stronger defensively than people ever imagined. we've seen monta guard the leagues best players this year very well, including huge size mismatches like carmelo, granger, and durant.
WE do have good ball movement, how else do we rack up assists and good shooting percentage? Finding the open man, or swinging it.
our downfall is TURNOVERS and stupid foul trouble (most of the time stupid because the refs will call anything even breathing on ur man). that's like suicide right there.
our downfall is TURNOVERS and stupid foul trouble (most of the time stupid because the refs will call anything even breathing on ur man). that's like suicide right there.
our biggest downfall is rebounding. and thats a coaching problem.
our next biggest downfall is the 3rd quarter, we've lost many games from the 3rd alone. this problem isnt so easy to pinpoint, but it starts with coaching.
after that, i'd say the 2 things discuss said--- turnovers and fouls, but in critical moments of the game. we arent THAT bad in either area, except when its a clutch moment. this problem is youth, not getting respect from refs, team chemistry, and again part coaching.
our next biggest downfall is the 3rd quarter, we've lost many games from the 3rd alone. this problem isnt so easy to pinpoint, but it starts with coaching.
after that, i'd say the 2 things discuss said--- turnovers and fouls, but in critical moments of the game. we arent THAT bad in either area, except when its a clutch moment. this problem is youth, not getting respect from refs, team chemistry, and again part coaching.
rebounding is not all about coaching. dennis rodman was the best rebounder not becuase he played for several different coaches it was becuase he wanted the ball more then anyone else. you can see the players who dont rebound (kevin martin, etc) its cus they dont want to go after it, no matter how much the coach rides them. amare doesnt rebound either. some players are considered rebounders and others arent, its just the way they play.
u use 1 of the best rebounders of all time as an example, a player who was only good at rebounding... his entire career was from rebounding, of course he wanted it more.
then you say amare doesnt rebound, when his career avg is 9 per game...
and kevin martin? the shooting guard on the kings? i think u meant kenyon martin, who is averaging 9.4 rebounds this season...
i agree rebounding has a lot to do with effort, but our coaching staff doesnt even recognize rebounding as a key problem to our success.
and its common knowledge nellie loves small ball, we've seen him use 4 guards on the floor at once several times before. and i've seen it kill us time and time again.
so if the right players arent on the floor... u still dont think coaching is to blame? should players mutiny and try to sub themselves in and out without letting coach stop them?
then you say amare doesnt rebound, when his career avg is 9 per game...
and kevin martin? the shooting guard on the kings? i think u meant kenyon martin, who is averaging 9.4 rebounds this season...
i agree rebounding has a lot to do with effort, but our coaching staff doesnt even recognize rebounding as a key problem to our success.
and its common knowledge nellie loves small ball, we've seen him use 4 guards on the floor at once several times before. and i've seen it kill us time and time again.
so if the right players arent on the floor... u still dont think coaching is to blame? should players mutiny and try to sub themselves in and out without letting coach stop them?
I was comparing the situation. There's a tendency to go overboard when a guy has one "incredible" game.
"OMG, he had the greatest game of his life (up until this point), he must be the second coming of ______"
Again not taking anything away from Curry. Just like when people say "He's a rookie" when he throws the ball to the wrong team, you have to take a step back and not get to high on him when he has a game like this. It's just ONE game.
"OMG, he had the greatest game of his life (up until this point), he must be the second coming of ______"
Again not taking anything away from Curry. Just like when people say "He's a rookie" when he throws the ball to the wrong team, you have to take a step back and not get to high on him when he has a game like this. It's just ONE game.
I wouldn't call Morrows game a fluke. The kid can shoot ... period. He's had big games since then. Not 37 big, but big enough. Something just got in his head earlier in the year, you could tell. Looks like he's coming back around though.
Again, cats are crowing Curry and Tyreke Evans after half a season as being the real deal. ***I don't have a problem with that at all***.
Just be careful or you end up with a Derrick Rose situation where if they ever hit a bad streak, then people start to panic. Or you end up in a Monta Ellis/Rajon Rondo situation where if you're too consistent, then you're somehow tradeable. Especially with the Ws
Again, cats are crowing Curry and Tyreke Evans after half a season as being the real deal. ***I don't have a problem with that at all***.
Just be careful or you end up with a Derrick Rose situation where if they ever hit a bad streak, then people start to panic. Or you end up in a Monta Ellis/Rajon Rondo situation where if you're too consistent, then you're somehow tradeable. Especially with the Ws
i didnt typeo kevin martin. you always hear for certain players hes a excellent rebounder, thats a gift and a talent. not everyone is good at rebounding the basketball.
and our coaching staff defiently recognizes our rebounding or lack thereof, becuase after every game nelson talks bout our rebounding. randolph said when he was doing bad that he needed to go out there and do the things they tell him to do which is rebound and play defense. the coaches probably at half time tell them we are getting outrebounded, etc. but if the players dont care about rebounding the ball then we will never be a good rebounding team, no matter how much the coach tells them to rebound. and everyone said about amare is his rebounding sucks and is overated about him.
and lineups dont matter too much. you can have a scoring lineup, 3 point lineup, free throw lineup, defense stopper lineups, rebounding lineups and mismatches. don nelson rarely goes with the reboudning lineups. but it doesnt mean the players in there cant take it upon themselves and rebound. like al harrington who always has been somewhat kinda bad at rebounding. nelson pretty much told him rebound or sit on the bench and he had one of his best rebounding years ever under him. thats a case where the coach actually helped but harrington still had to go grab the rebound.
and our coaching staff defiently recognizes our rebounding or lack thereof, becuase after every game nelson talks bout our rebounding. randolph said when he was doing bad that he needed to go out there and do the things they tell him to do which is rebound and play defense. the coaches probably at half time tell them we are getting outrebounded, etc. but if the players dont care about rebounding the ball then we will never be a good rebounding team, no matter how much the coach tells them to rebound. and everyone said about amare is his rebounding sucks and is overated about him.
and lineups dont matter too much. you can have a scoring lineup, 3 point lineup, free throw lineup, defense stopper lineups, rebounding lineups and mismatches. don nelson rarely goes with the reboudning lineups. but it doesnt mean the players in there cant take it upon themselves and rebound. like al harrington who always has been somewhat kinda bad at rebounding. nelson pretty much told him rebound or sit on the bench and he had one of his best rebounding years ever under him. thats a case where the coach actually helped but harrington still had to go grab the rebound.
