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This article covers the figure in the theology of the black nationalist organization Nation of Islam. The name, also spelled Yaqub or Yakoob, also applies to the mainstream (traditional) Islamic view of the Biblical Jacob. See Islamic view of Jacob for information on the latter. Part of a series on
Nation of Islam
Famous leaders
Wallace Fard Muhammad · Elijah Muhammad · Malcolm X · Warith Deen Mohammed · Louis Farrakhan
History and beliefs
Saviours' Day · Nation of Islam and antisemitism · Tribe of Shabazz · Yakub · Million Man March
Publications
The Final Call · How to Eat to Live · Message to the Blackman in America · Muhammad Speaks
Subsidiaries and offshoots
American Society of Muslims · Fruit of Islam · The Nation of Gods and Earths · New Black Panther Party · United Nation of Islam · Your Black Muslim Bakery
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According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub or Yakob), was a scientist responsible for creating the white race — a race of devils, in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of grafting the "black " to a "white" from the original black population of the world. According to the Autobiography of Malcolm X, all the races except the black race were by-products of Yakub's work. However the "black race" included Asians. "Whites" were defined as Europeans and Jews. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos.[1] The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear.
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Yakub is said to have been born in Mecca, at a time when 30% of the people were "dissatisfied". At the age of six he discovered the law of attraction and repulsion by playing with magnets made of steel.[2] This insight led to his plan to create a new people. He "saw an unlike human being, made to attract others, who could, with the knowledge of tricks and lies, rule the original black man."[2] By the age of 18 he had exhausted all knowledge in the universities of Mecca. He then discovered that the "original black man" contained both a "black germ" and a "brown germ". With 59,999 followers he went to Patmos where he bred out the black, and created a brown race after 200 years, killing all dark babies. Finally, after 600 years the white race was created.
According to NOI doctrine, Yakub's progeny were destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original black peoples of the world regained dominance, a process that began in 1914.[3][4][5]
The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.
[edit] Yakub and Jacob
The name Yakub is a variant of the Semitic name Jacob, which appears in European language versions of the Bible. The Roman transliteration of the Hebrew original is Ya’akov. Fard Muhammad's Yakub has some parallels to the Biblical Jacob's role as the father of the tribes of Israel. The idea that Jews were an "artificial race" created by interbreeding and dependent on "tricks and lies" already existed in anti-Semitic theories of the time.[6] The claim that descendents of Yakob were artificial included Jews as part of the wider "white" race.[7] In speeches by Malcolm X Yakub is identified completely with Jacob. Referring to the story of Jacob wrestling with the angel, Malcolm X states that Elijah Muhammad told him that "Jacob was Yacub, and the angel that Jacob wrestled with wasn't god, it was the government of the day". This was because Yakub was seeking funds for his expedition to Patmos, "so when it says Jacob wrestled with an angel, 'angel' is only used as a symbol to hide the one he was really wrestling with". However, Malcolm X also states that John of Patmos was also Yakub, and that the Book of Revelation refers to his deeds: "John was Yacub. John was out there getting ready to make a new race, he said, for the word of the lord".[8]
[edit] Later developments
In recent times, the doctrine of Yakub has been rationalized within the NOI as an allegory for the evolution of whites from the original dark-skinned human populations of Africa and as a parable warning of the dangers of eugenics. Yakub's 600-year experiment is seen as storytelling, similar to the way some modern Abrahamic religions view the Bible's account of God creating Eve from Adam's rib. In his autobiography (written by Alex Haley), Malcolm X notes that, in his travels in the Middle East, many Muslims reacted with shock upon hearing about the doctrine of Yakub.
The African American author and playwright Amiri Baraka wrote a play titled A Black Mass based on the story of Yakub.
Yakub
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
This article covers the figure in the theology of the black nationalist organization Nation of Islam. The name, also spelled Yaqub or Yakoob, also applies to the mainstream (traditional) Islamic view of the Biblical Jacob. See Islamic view of Jacob for information on the latter. Part of a series on
Nation of Islam
Famous leaders
Wallace Fard Muhammad · Elijah Muhammad · Malcolm X · Warith Deen Mohammed · Louis Farrakhan
History and beliefs
Saviours' Day · Nation of Islam and antisemitism · Tribe of Shabazz · Yakub · Million Man March
Publications
The Final Call · How to Eat to Live · Message to the Blackman in America · Muhammad Speaks
Subsidiaries and offshoots
American Society of Muslims · Fruit of Islam · The Nation of Gods and Earths · New Black Panther Party · United Nation of Islam · Your Black Muslim Bakery
This box: view • talk • edit
According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub or Yakob), was a scientist responsible for creating the white race — a race of devils, in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of grafting the "black " to a "white" from the original black population of the world. According to the Autobiography of Malcolm X, all the races except the black race were by-products of Yakub's work. However the "black race" included Asians. "Whites" were defined as Europeans and Jews. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos.[1] The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear.
Contents
[hide]
[edit] Story
Yakub is said to have been born in Mecca, at a time when 30% of the people were "dissatisfied". At the age of six he discovered the law of attraction and repulsion by playing with magnets made of steel.[2] This insight led to his plan to create a new people. He "saw an unlike human being, made to attract others, who could, with the knowledge of tricks and lies, rule the original black man."[2] By the age of 18 he had exhausted all knowledge in the universities of Mecca. He then discovered that the "original black man" contained both a "black germ" and a "brown germ". With 59,999 followers he went to Patmos where he bred out the black, and created a brown race after 200 years, killing all dark babies. Finally, after 600 years the white race was created.
According to NOI doctrine, Yakub's progeny were destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original black peoples of the world regained dominance, a process that began in 1914.[3][4][5]
The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.
[edit] Yakub and Jacob
The name Yakub is a variant of the Semitic name Jacob, which appears in European language versions of the Bible. The Roman transliteration of the Hebrew original is Ya’akov. Fard Muhammad's Yakub has some parallels to the Biblical Jacob's role as the father of the tribes of Israel. The idea that Jews were an "artificial race" created by interbreeding and dependent on "tricks and lies" already existed in anti-Semitic theories of the time.[6] The claim that descendents of Yakob were artificial included Jews as part of the wider "white" race.[7] In speeches by Malcolm X Yakub is identified completely with Jacob. Referring to the story of Jacob wrestling with the angel, Malcolm X states that Elijah Muhammad told him that "Jacob was Yacub, and the angel that Jacob wrestled with wasn't god, it was the government of the day". This was because Yakub was seeking funds for his expedition to Patmos, "so when it says Jacob wrestled with an angel, 'angel' is only used as a symbol to hide the one he was really wrestling with". However, Malcolm X also states that John of Patmos was also Yakub, and that the Book of Revelation refers to his deeds: "John was Yacub. John was out there getting ready to make a new race, he said, for the word of the lord".[8]
[edit] Later developments
In recent times, the doctrine of Yakub has been rationalized within the NOI as an allegory for the evolution of whites from the original dark-skinned human populations of Africa and as a parable warning of the dangers of eugenics. Yakub's 600-year experiment is seen as storytelling, similar to the way some modern Abrahamic religions view the Bible's account of God creating Eve from Adam's rib. In his autobiography (written by Alex Haley), Malcolm X notes that, in his travels in the Middle East, many Muslims reacted with shock upon hearing about the doctrine of Yakub.
The African American author and playwright Amiri Baraka wrote a play titled A Black Mass based on the story of Yakub.
This is a popular misconception generally propagated by uninformed people or intentionally deceptive people. There is peace, love and forgiveness in Islam. Unfortunately for nonbelievers it's reserved only for other members of the Islamic faith. Quite a contrast from Christ's teachings of loving your enemy (regardless of their faith), turning the other cheek, etc.
There are definitely guiding principles in Islam that actually do teach peaceful coexistence with nonbelievers. The problem is that these teachings come from the Mecca period in Mohamed's life. This was early in his career when he had few followers, and was unable to wage war effectively.
During the Medina period in Mohamed's life his message changes. By this time he had grown an army and had no need for peaceful coexistence. It's later in Mohamed's life when the majority of the violent and disturbing texts appear in the Koran.
Both Christian and Islamic texts contain contradictions. Like the old testament's "Eye for an eye", versus the new testament's "turn the other cheek". Christians deal with this contradiction by believing that Christ's teachings out weigh those of the Old Testament.
The something similar happens in Islam.
They deal with this by having the new texts out weigh the old texts:
What should be disturbing for unbelievers of Islam is that the texts grow more and more violent and unforgiving chronologically. While Christian texts grow more and more peaceful and forgiving through time.
Just as there are violent and disturbing Christians who focus on the Old testament to advance their agenda. There are many many Muslims who focus on the early career of Mohamed and use those teachings as guidance for peaceful coexistence with all people. These groups are similar because they are taking their religion out of context, and not following it according to how it is actually written.
One of the problems come from Islamic fundamentalists who devoutly follow Mohamed's teachings and Islamic law. They know which texts abrogate older texts, and they know that there is no peace with unbelievers (well, unless the unbelievers pay a tax and "feel themselves subdued").
Most fundamentalists (Christian and Islamic) would also disagree with your statement about it being about the message and not the messenger. Many Muslims believe that Mohamed is the model human that all of man kind should attempt to emulate. Just as Christians view Christ as a perfect human, and should be attempting to live a Christ-like existence.
There are definitely guiding principles in Islam that actually do teach peaceful coexistence with nonbelievers. The problem is that these teachings come from the Mecca period in Mohamed's life. This was early in his career when he had few followers, and was unable to wage war effectively.
During the Medina period in Mohamed's life his message changes. By this time he had grown an army and had no need for peaceful coexistence. It's later in Mohamed's life when the majority of the violent and disturbing texts appear in the Koran.
Both Christian and Islamic texts contain contradictions. Like the old testament's "Eye for an eye", versus the new testament's "turn the other cheek". Christians deal with this contradiction by believing that Christ's teachings out weigh those of the Old Testament.
The something similar happens in Islam.
They deal with this by having the new texts out weigh the old texts:
What should be disturbing for unbelievers of Islam is that the texts grow more and more violent and unforgiving chronologically. While Christian texts grow more and more peaceful and forgiving through time.
Just as there are violent and disturbing Christians who focus on the Old testament to advance their agenda. There are many many Muslims who focus on the early career of Mohamed and use those teachings as guidance for peaceful coexistence with all people. These groups are similar because they are taking their religion out of context, and not following it according to how it is actually written.
One of the problems come from Islamic fundamentalists who devoutly follow Mohamed's teachings and Islamic law. They know which texts abrogate older texts, and they know that there is no peace with unbelievers (well, unless the unbelievers pay a tax and "feel themselves subdued").
Most fundamentalists (Christian and Islamic) would also disagree with your statement about it being about the message and not the messenger. Many Muslims believe that Mohamed is the model human that all of man kind should attempt to emulate. Just as Christians view Christ as a perfect human, and should be attempting to live a Christ-like existence.
I think overall lots of messengers from any culture or following have way too much animosity and distort the well being of humanity. I hope positive human compassion will prevail no matter where you stand.
I've learned from Haile Selassie y rastafari to love everyone as a whole and every human is the same.
I am looking forward to learning much more about Cristianity and Islam.
Thanks for the words.
I've learned from Haile Selassie y rastafari to love everyone as a whole and every human is the same.
I am looking forward to learning much more about Cristianity and Islam.
Thanks for the words.
It makes it very challenging to have a civil discussion when I quote specific passages with numerical citation of selected chapters and verses, to avoid the risk of going the route of Ancient Spartans who decided such conversations based upon who could shout loudest. I did not just state an opinion and say "read a little harder through the Koran" or "you obviously have not read the Koran".
If you do not believe in God's existence, then you are not concerned with God's actions of violence against non believers, nor what is revealed about God in the Old Testament. However, the instructions man receives from
written Word in the Holy Bible or Koran on how to treat others would be of concern to you without question.
My statement that was challenged was The teachings of Christ are not very similar to that of Islam
The Koran says fight against those who believe not in allah Koran 9:29
Here is quite the difference in lesson
When Jesus told his disciples of his coming death, Peter resisted the message of Christ, promising to take up the sword, and defend Christ until the death. Jesus said " Get thou behind me Satan, you are an offense to me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but you are mindful of the things of men
Matthew 16:22
The Koran teaches to charge a Jizya tax to unbelievers, to poverty. You are to be killed if you do not pay.
Here is another major difference
Matthew 5:38-40
38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[a] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" - Matthew 5:44
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord
Romans 12:19
If you do not believe in God's existence, then you are not concerned with God's actions of violence against non believers, nor what is revealed about God in the Old Testament. However, the instructions man receives from
written Word in the Holy Bible or Koran on how to treat others would be of concern to you without question.
My statement that was challenged was The teachings of Christ are not very similar to that of Islam
The Koran says fight against those who believe not in allah Koran 9:29
Here is quite the difference in lesson
When Jesus told his disciples of his coming death, Peter resisted the message of Christ, promising to take up the sword, and defend Christ until the death. Jesus said " Get thou behind me Satan, you are an offense to me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but you are mindful of the things of men
Matthew 16:22
The Koran teaches to charge a Jizya tax to unbelievers, to poverty. You are to be killed if you do not pay.
Here is another major difference
Matthew 5:38-40
38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[a] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" - Matthew 5:44
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord
Romans 12:19