TROLL said:
ok, but u took time to write this.. and claim we were paranoid, when u say yourself u don't know enough about some of it? i dont understand why someone would deny a claim, without having any reason too..
so now we're debating why we should or shouldn't debate this. exactly what prevents me from getting too detailed into the issues that i do know about. what i'm getting at is that you believe the side of conflicting conspiracy as opposed to an official stance. i'm not saying the official stance on something is always right, and i'm not saying conspiracy theorists are always wrong. but the fact that you have soooo many issues where you think there is a big conspiracy leads me to believe that you are paranoid.
TROLL said:
do u kno, when theres evidence to back up a claim, it is no longer considered a theory??
the illusion of evidence can be contrived by anyone who wants their belief to be considered the common end.
TROLL said:
see, thats where your wrong.. KNOWING the plan that the elite have for us is half the battle, you cant fight an enemy that you do not know.. how are you going to say this wont effect us when your rights are gettin takin from u right before your eyes? our phones are tapped, we dont have habeas corpus, u have concentration camps being built and our country has turned neo-nazi.. (world conquest)........... and this shit doesnt effect us?.. maybe not the person who's going to be willingly ignorant... ignorance truely is bliss..
the idea of the "elite" is part of the conspiracy theory. if i could prove to you there is no elite power working together for a common goal, this would negate 75% of your content here. let me point out that the american elite you refer to is compromised mainly of rich white people. and let me point out that if you truly believe a bunch of rich white people can work towards a common goal successfuly on that level, you must be smoking something. part of most successful rich people is having a cutt-throat approach to things. no doubt if there ever was an attempt at getting an elite power above all, they would eventually cut all of each others throats to get to the top of their own mountain. which is why i believe the idea of an NWO or Illuminati is bunk. they would not work well with each other.
TROLL said:
if these so much misinformation will YOU JUST BRING IT UP..plz..
like i said i'd rather not get into details. but since you believe everything you read about the conflicting view, why do you discredit the original source? are you trying to say misinformation only comes from the so-called elite force?
TROLL said:
holy shit... i just cant believe you just said that.. do u really believe that our government WOULDNT LIE TO US??? homie seriously, id belive those 'other people' who can give us facts.. the government is NOT to be trusted.. and i beg you to dare me to prove it..
i never said that. maybe my writing style isn't black & white enough for you. of course we have a lot of BS from the government. however "the government" is not a single entity. what i keep getting at to you is why do distrust the government, but you do not distrust the ideas of these popular conspiracy theories.
TROLL said:
yes that is david ICKe.. do u know he also said... (specific attention to the year he said it)
my point is that conspiracy theories are full of misinformation as well.
TROLL said:
id love to present all this info to a court room, specially if their were media coverage... are they gonna say that MKultra didnt exist?(when they admitted it?) or how bout that NWO thing? (when G.bush senior said it before congress) or how about that whole ILLUMINATI thing? (all names acurate and up to date)
I know about the Bush/NWO thing, and I think it was largely taken out of context. The phrase "new world order" can refer to so much more than the conspiracy. The Illuminati as it's refered to in conspiracy theories is bunk. Again, to think that all these powerful people could work together in harmony and secrecy with a common goal is ridiculous.
TROLL said:
coming from somebody who's telling me to listen to what the government tells me is going on... i think u need to take that same advice..
I do take everything such as this with a grain of salt. ON BOTH SIDES!
TROLL said:
seriously homie, i know your in that lil comfort zone of fog that makes you go on thinking there could be no such thing as a country sneakily being imperialistic.. its so much easier NOT to do the research.... Nero did it, (burned rome/blamed christians), hitler did it.. (u do know the germans had no idea of what was going on about the "death camps", right?) how does a government run when the people running it make their money off of the weapons it makes? war.. war makes money.. and when u have such a small kabal who control it,and the people dont see how this shit affects them, dont u think it makes it easier to do?
I share your opinion about the war and why it's happening. But some of the stuff here doesn't work for me. People need to make their own decisions on it. Take in all the "facts" and keep an open mind.
I think what bothers me most is people are reading this thread as gospel. I think if they truly want to be educated, if they are interested in the topics you're covering, they will look into it more and see both sides and realize there's bullshit on both sides.
Even so, with subjects like the one you're presenting, we will probably NEVER know the truth on some of these matters. So what you have to decide is if any of this is important to you. Most of what I've been reading is not.
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