The Apocalyptic Agenda Of The Neo-Conservatives
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I took it too far with "not a bad country AT ALL"...of course it has its problems. But you know what? There are people in Cuba that PURPOSEFULLY give themselves AIDS. Know why? Because if you have AIDS in Cuba, you are automatically given shelter and taken care of and given all the proper medical benefits you need to survive...no matter how much money you have. And I didnt see the US rush to save Angola from being overtaken by the white supremecist army of South Africa like Cuba did. Oh yea, I forgot...Angola doesnt have oil, so they arent worth helping. Cuba might not be rich like the US, but they shouldnt be demonized for the fact that theyre communist....especially with all the good things the country has done.
The Cuban Adjustment act, was adopted by the US congress on the 2nd of November of 1966, under the Lyndon Johnson administration. It's main provisions was to change the legal status of the Cuban immigrants; to treat them as political refugees and to grant them political asylum; and as such provide them immediately with privileges that no other group enjoys, such as, automatic permanent residence status - all without review and without the usual waiting time.
This privileged law affords the Cuban illegal immigrant the opportunity, to work legally, to govt. welfare, to unemployment benefits, and to free medical care. Things that the average immigrant by no means is entitled to.
Their government, unlike that in the U.S., does not prevent people from leaving that do decide to do so. And in fact these people are forced by the U.S. governement and the powerful Cuban-American terrorist lobby to take these unsafe craft for their voyage to the U.S. If the U.S. government or the powerful Cuba-American lobby were concerned with the well fair of these people and in seeing them on a safe voyage to the U.S. then they would provide for safe travel for them. But how much anti-Cuba publicity would that stir up? “Well today 2 Cubans flew from Havana to Miami on a 747 and landed safely.” Its much more important for their propaganda to show people on these boats trying to leave. Provide them with safe travel and they’d take it.
Approximately 4 thousand illegal immigrants arrive in the US daily, almost three times more than arrive illegally each year from Cuba. How often do you see their plight on the news? Very little. But of course the "free" press is always stacked against Cuba. When 5 or six boat people arrive from Cuba you are bound to hear it on the 6 o'clock news. The Miami Press controlled by the old Batistianos is even worse. The length of the news that the Cuban boat people are afforded is considerably more than given to other boat people In essence what it's really about is to entice Cubans to leave illegally so that we can be see it on the 6 o'clock news.
It has nothing to do with humanity, for this law is really evil in intent; for if you think about it, as the result of this diabolical law, many have, over the years, risked and lost their lives.
In fact the U.S. repeatedly denies visas to Cuban citizens who apply for them. After repeated denials obviously people will be frustrated with the U.S. and knowing full well that the Cuban Adjustment act exists, granting full and immediate immigrant status with all the perks, they steal boats (or endenture themselves to Cuban-American exhile terrorists that illegally traffic people). Either they make it to the U.S. and gain immigrant status or die in unsafe craft. People that get caught by Cuban coast guard after stealing boats obvioulsy go to jail, just as they would in any other country. But once in jail that is when the U.S. intrest section comes calling (after repeatedly ignoring attempts at a visa for legal immigration to the US) saying now they are ready to grant them a visa if they sign statements declaring themselves political prisoners. Should shed some light on this "political prisoner" issue, at least the majority of the cases, which the person is a legitimate criminal.
The INS is authorized to grant 20,000 visas anually to Cubans, but rarely fills any of them.
Now if the US has an immigration law and mechanism that allow Cubans to leave the island legally why then does the US have another policy enticing people to leave illegally and purposely never use the legal means?
Not a joke at all. My point being that there has never actually been a communist country ever in existence. Close doesn't count.
As for the Russia of Lenin and Trotsky. Remember the NEP?
In March, 1921, Vladimir Lenin enacted his New Economic Policy (NEP). Farmers were allowed to sell food on the open market and could employ people to work for them. The NEP also allowed some freedom of internal trade, permitted some private commerce and re-established state banks. Factories employing less than twenty people were denationalized and could be claimed back by former owners.
Sounds very much like capitalism not communism.
Care to try again?
That’s because the U.S. was busy, with South Africa, funding the counter revolutionaries in Angola. They believed it was "helping" Angola though.
And Angola has substantial oil reserves. Oil represents 60 per cent of the Gross National Product and 90 per cent of exports. At present Angola's daily production is about 925,000 barrels and it is estimated they will be up to 1.4 million barrels of oil per day by 2004.
But don't get stuck in the web of using Oil as the only justification for U.S. foreign policy, no matter whom the president is, it limits the scope of things and glosses over the larger picture.
You should check out Conflicting Missions: Havana, Washington, and Africa, 1959-1976
by Piero Gleijeses
From what you've mentioned you should really really dig it.
Props for knowin bout the Angola situation.
I think you fail to realize that there are different forms of communist states....Unless you are speaking of a true Marxist state, then I agree with you.
No, it does not sound like capitalism. I believe that certain policies must be created to fit certain circumstances. In this case, Lenin felt this policy necessary for that time period.
I think you also fail to realize that communism is a process. It takes time in order to reach the goals of Marx. Communism was only around for a few years in Russia when Lenin introduced that policy. He had many plans and goals for the country that unfortunately never lived.
No, it does not sound like capitalism. I believe that certain policies must be created to fit certain circumstances. In this case, Lenin felt this policy necessary for that time period.
I think you also fail to realize that communism is a process. It takes time in order to reach the goals of Marx. Communism was only around for a few years in Russia when Lenin introduced that policy. He had many plans and goals for the country that unfortunately never lived.
Communist State? Marxist State?
You don't see this as an oxymoron at all do you? Time to re-read your communist manifesto and other core communist literature.
Of course they should and that is what governments try and do. The problem is that Lenin didn't do that. He created a policy to create a necessary set of circumstances. Instead of a policy to fit circumstances, which were already present.
The NEP is not communism.
Lenin realized that the radical approach to communism was unsuited to existing conditions and jeopardized the survival of his regime. He convinced the congress to adopt a temporary compromise with capitalism, the NEP. The state scrapped its policy of grain requisitioning in favor of taxation, permitting peasants to dispose of their produce as they pleased. NEP also denationalized service enterprises and much small-scale industry. The party sanctioned partial decentralization of the economy, it also approved a quasi-federal structure for the state.
Not communism. If you think it is, then you'd be the one failing to realize what communism really is.
Attaining communism is a process that Lenin tried to cut and paste as he felt. Thus the NEP being used to fill in the gaps where capitalism had yet to take hold in Russia prior to the revolution.
Does that mean i disagree with his use of the NEP, not entirely. I just disagree that Russia ever saw the likes of communism.
Communism never existed in Russia under Lenin, he never claimed it to, shit he never even claimed to have seen the advent of socialism in the country.
History books are a communist’s best friends.
No, it is not an oxymoron. State = A specific mode of government: the socialist state.
No, you have it mixed up. Lenin created a plicy to fit certain circumstances.
Like I said before, Lenin introduced this policy to fit certain cirrcumstances at that time period. Lenin had plans and goals for the future of Russia. Yes, it is true Lenin did have certain policies that were not communist policies. This does not mean that it was not a true communist country, it only suggests that certain policies were needed for that time period.
Lenin was a Marxist, and so was Leon Trotsky.
No, you have it mixed up. Lenin created a plicy to fit certain circumstances.
Like I said before, Lenin introduced this policy to fit certain cirrcumstances at that time period. Lenin had plans and goals for the future of Russia. Yes, it is true Lenin did have certain policies that were not communist policies. This does not mean that it was not a true communist country, it only suggests that certain policies were needed for that time period.
Lenin was a Marxist, and so was Leon Trotsky.