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askG

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in these times of "terrorism" and the "war on freedom", its easy to see where the heads of the majority of whites is...its easy to understand what im saying when whites dismiss any other country and carry on with an arrogance that can only be described as an arrogance of feeling superior.
 
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askG...since you are grouping me into this white hatred you think you know so much about, fuck you. you know NOTHING of me or my mentality, what i do, where im coming from, same goes for my family and friends and almsot every other person on this earth for that matter. you are a dumbshit blinded by hate
 
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askG...since you are grouping me into this white hatred you think you know so much about, fuck you. you know NOTHING of me or my mentality, what i do, where im coming from, same goes for my family and friends and almsot every other person on this earth for that matter. you are a dumbshit blinded by hate
askG: This is why it is unsafe and very unintelligent to generalize or group together peoples that are so different in nature. Now if a white person grouped your entire race as if they all share the same beliefs, the same ones that you have just expressed in your post, don't you think this is something could reinforce or even *create* white supremacist mentalities? Take a peckerwood for example, the very beliefs you have shown are part of what fuels his anger and prejudice. Nazi's, White Supremacists, Peckerwoods, whatever, are all driven by something, they have reasons for their hatred, and I think some of the things you just said, that mentality, would fall right in the middle of their reasoning.

Now I don't know DeluzioN, and I think it's safe to say he is not a white supremacist, but maybe after a few more times of hearing the same shit you have said from other peoples of your race, he will begin to generalize just the same, and develope a white supremacist mentality. People are not born racist.

DeluzioN, I know you're not going to be a white supremacist, but by reading your post, I think you will understand why I used your reaction to his comments as an example. I understand your frustration, some people just don't know.
 
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absolutely bro, no worries. i think you made some good points. as long as the grouping, generalizations, stereotyping (of ANY color or creed), pidgeonholing, and mental segregation continues, the breeding of hate and ignorance will as wellcant you show some LOVE that a lot of different races are accepting and embracing your peoples culture? naw, never thought about that one. i love wayne brady and he's one of the "whitest" black dudes i ever seen. the lead singer for the metal band Sevendust (whom i personally enjoy listening to) is black as fuck with dreadlocks, but you will hardly EVER see a white dude complaining. i have several black friends who act "white". what about Kareem Cambell, the black skate boarder? do you think eve shouldnt have made a song with gwen stefanie? kid rocks drummer is black, is it wrong that he/she (i never could tell) is in a rock band. how about lenny kravitz? should they not be allowed any of that becaus e they dont know what its like to be "white"?
 
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Marketing people will steal from anyone if they believe it sells.

I don't understand why ANYONE want to talk like chingy.
But being offended because some retard acts like a fool is just as dumb as if people got offended because a black person is wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase.

Retard A : "He is stealing from our culture."
Retard B : "He is running away from his culture."
 

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DAMN,
I DIDN'T KNOW ALL THIS SHIT WAS POSTED. MY LAST POST WAS AT THE HOMIE KRAZY.

BUT NITRO,
WE'VE BEEN ON THIS SAME CONVERSATION IN THE "DEgREES OF WIggA-ISM" THREAD. YOU'VE MADE SOME POINTS, BUT TO PUT THE BLAME ON BROTHAS FOR BEIN' EXPLOITED IS WRONg. WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHIN' WHAT IS YOU SUPPOSE TO DO? WHEN EVERYTHANg IS OWNED BY THE MAJORITY AND THE MONEY IS IN THE POCCETS OF THE MAJORITY, WHAT IS YOU SUPPOSED TO DO? ALL YOUR OTHA POINTS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THAT "DEgREES OF WIggA-ISM" THREAD.
 
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EDJ said:
WE'VE BEEN ON THIS SAME CONVERSATION IN THE "DEgREES OF WIggA-ISM" THREAD.
YOU'VE MADE SOME POINTS, BUT TO PUT THE BLAME ON BROTHAS FOR BEIN' EXPLOITED IS WRONg. WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHIN' WHAT IS YOU SUPPOSE TO DO? WHEN EVERYTHANg IS OWNED BY THE MAJORITY AND THE MONEY IS IN THE POCCETS OF THE MAJORITY, WHAT IS YOU SUPPOSED TO DO? ALL YOUR OTHA POINTS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THAT "DEgREES OF WIggA-ISM" THREAD.
Yeah we touched on this subject already, thats why the majority of my post was directed towards people who didn't participate in the last discussion.

I'm not puting the blame on black people, I am saying black America should share the responsibility of the way things are, as far as blacks being "exploited" in America. Instead of breakin bread on market spending, blacks could be puting that money towards fixing this problem by investing in other black owned businesses. I could understand if more black artists tried, failed, and then talked about being exploited, absoultely. But as long as dude who is talking about it is drving a beemer with ice all the way through his ass, I'm not going to listen to him. More specifically, more blame needs to be placed on black America for the way things remain rather than how they got this way because your right, there is nothing more for a black man to do then subject himself to "exploitation" in America. But I am more concerned with why blacks are not getting up and doing something about it. I made a reference to Jay-Z because I know he is making it happen. He started his own record label, he put down the mic (this need not happen) and went as far as to purchase a professional basketball team. I have respect for cats like this and others like Robert L. Johnson, who also purchased a basketball team and immediatley highered an African American coach. These cats are investing, puting their money to good use while others are steady spending money in a material world. Why buy a new Escalade when you can purchase a store or restaurant (maybe part of an already existsing franchise, white owned or not) and higher black workers at your own discretion. You might not change the world by buying a store and hiring blacks, but you would change the life of some, and more importantly, you can pave the way for others to follow.

My point is clear. Though I believe the exploitation of blacks to be no more severe then the generalization of the white race, I will, for the sake of arguement, accept it as a big problem. With this, I will say that right now, as much blame must be attributed to black America as it is to white America for the way things remain. I believe this because there is more than enough money circulating in upper-class black America to get the ball rolling, but a significant change has yet to be seen. I see more blacks competing with each other instead of with white owned businesses.

Black investment ideology is much bigger than hip-hop and sports, I think money would be better spent, by a black man, opening up a small food chain rather than buying a 7 bedroom house with a lot full of cars.
 
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now for my analysis...
I agree with the person who started this thread and I have my own views also. Of course corporate america used to down the black/hip hop image, but like we all know, when its money involved they'll change their minds quick. They seen how rappers and other black celebrities such as athletes had an effect on the black and some white youth. They dont like the image still, but they figured if we can use them to reach out to those who are not buying our products with our normal advertisements, then they will touch them. Its all about money now. U cant just blame corporate america either, they didnt put a gun to their head and make them do the promotions and take the money. We're just judging from this situation from the outside looking in. Its more to it than what we know. When you promote products and services for a white industry or company, it also helps you too. But my conclusion is...of course they didnt like the black image, still dont, and never will, but money talks.
it seems that blacks had a style all to themselves, a lingo of their own, a culture that they established for themselves, now you got whites copying that shit and it seems like blacks are being robbed of their own identity...nowadays you got the white kids with their throwbacks, you got the trendy mexican pretty boys with their fubu and their dada...you got white kids using the word "nigga" like it was nothing...
I've seen a million replies to try and disagree with this, but there is no way u can disagree with that. Thats the truth!!
 
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NITRO, THAT'S ALL gOOD AND DANDY, BUT WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WHO'S ON TOP AND RUNNIN' THANgS? WHO'S KEEPIN' BROTHAS DOWN?
Who's on top?

For the most part, those who are wealthy and educated, business & market intelligent, with superior money management. There are those who are handed economic status through family (Paris Hilton? HAHA); there are those entrepreneurs like Bill Gates, who started off broke building useless computers in his garage, and now posesses over $40billion dollars; and there are those (another form of entrepreneurship) who work their way to the top through superior initiative.

This was not the case before. There was a time when being white was a requirement, that is why most corporations are white owned as we speak, but times have changed, and anyone with the right motivation and wealth can build. Lets not forget that I am generalizing here as well, just so that we are on the same page. When I say blacks can work their way through the corporate ladder just as a white person can, I am making a false statement. Corporations and small business varies on their morality. Some are racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

Who's keepin brothas down?

Dare I say themselves? Okay I won't (DOH!). I can tell you why, "whites", corporate America (whoever is "opressing" blacks) are not holding down African Americans. Take a look at the way things were before blacks entered into America's sporting and music world. What did they have? Now take a look after they became "exploited":

(top 10 NBA annual salaries)

Garnett, Kevin $28,000,000
O'Neal, Shaquille $26,517,858
Wallace, Rasheed $16,990,000
Houston, Allan $15,937,500
Webber, Chris $15,937,500
Stoudamire, Damon $14,375,000
Abdur-Rahim, Shareef $13,500,000
Allen, Ray $13,500,000
Baker, Vin $13,500,000
Hardaway, Anfernee $13,500,000

Notice any similarity between all of these people? You guessed it! I posted only the top 10 because I don't want to clutter this board, but out of the top 25, two have "white" skin. You can find the same results throughout the NBA, NFL, and what have you. No one is holding these people down. Now if your arguement is the number of blacks that *don't* make this kind of salary, I will point you to the number of whites that don't as well. People generalize by saying white people do this and white people do that, but you fail to understand that this small portion of white people -- be that they are racist, prejudice, culture stealers, whites holding down blacks -- that you base your generalization on, make up for just a fraction of white skinned people in this country. The majority of whites are not wealthy like those you see on television, they are not racist like those who opressed blacks, they are ordinary citizens in this country who also find themselves struggling just to eat. I know this, I see it everywhere, every day of my life I see these people, I am one of them.
 
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if "brothas" were runnin thangs, would that mean theyre keepin the white man "down"? you know who keeps "brothas" down? the ones who sell em crack, or guns, or put em on the set, or get em to start doin dirt when theyre 12 years old, the ones who pump thier head full of bullshit images so they can make a profit off of them. the ones who tell them its all about the set, and to live, die, slang, rob, and go to prison for the "set"....THAT, my friend, is who keeps your "brothas" down. shorty's 11 years old are on corners sellin crack holdin pistols because thier "O.G." told em they would be hard for doin it, and you know how everybody has to be hard these days. why aint these kids in school? its not like some of your own people could be keepin em down, naw, out of the question. jesus....what color do you motherfuckers bleed?
 

askG

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nitro...just because those ballers you posted make bank doesnt mean theyre on top...last time i checked...basketball players werent making big decisions that affect the country.
 

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It's late and I have things to do so I'll keep this short.


White Devil typed the following:


"Another thing white people did that no one else did was explore the globe."


You are misinformed. I'll simply leave it at that.


@Nitro you listed 10 nba stars and the money they make. Can you list the OWNERS and GM's of the top ten teams? As far as music (especially Rap) is concerned I don't believe you understand the business aspect. You can EXPLOIT someones talent AND stupidity....Tupac is an example. I would also like to point out that ALL ***MAJOR*** forms of distribution are white owned. Yes a black man can start his own label but at the end of the day he MUST spend his money with the white man *IF* he plans on hitting BIG numbers. What do you call it when a label owner (black or white) preys upon someone elses ambitions and dreams? What do you call it when a label owner (black or white) feeds off an artist who doesnt understand publishing? Is that not exploiting the persons talent? Is that not exploiting the persons stupidity or lack of knowledge? IT''S THE AMERICAN WAY! You step on number two to become number one. You constantly get MORE for LESS. You cut corners, you shave prices and you smash the competetion. Do you HONESTLY believe owners/ceo's of fortune 500 companies made it to the top by being FAIR? If so LMAO!


Nitro I asked you a question a looooooooooooooong time ago. ARABS, CHINESE, LATINOS and "JEW'S" (I don't acknowledge "jews" as a race/ethnicity but i'll do so here) make money. How much money do they make from the "african american" community/economy? Do african americans market and promote products to these races? If so can you list five items per race? It's funny how koreans can open up a liquor store in a black community........let's see a black man open a business in china town.............


While you mentioned Jay z and his success you left out an important factor. The majority of his money came from rap music. Now I ask you an honest question....the majority of his lyrics and videos consisted of what? What image did he (his label) market and promote?


Has anyone watched BAMBOOZLED? It's a Spike Lee movie which deals with black exploitation etc etc etc.



:hgk:
 

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^I LOVED THAT MOVIE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT HERESY? WHEN MUTHA-FUKAS COME WITH THE WORD "THUg", I THINK OF THAT MOVIE ALL THE TIME.

NITRO,
HERESY ANSWERED THE SHIT FOR ME.
 
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HERESY said:
White Devil typed the following:
"Another thing white people did that no one else did was explore the globe."
You are misinformed. I'll simply leave it at that.
Reading that one line, I would agree that I am misinformed. Much of what I type is hasty.White people explored and spread in a warlike fashion. Instead of attempting to merely interact, trade, and exchange, they spread with the purpose of dividing and conquering. Other cultures very much interacted with those in their immediate area, and those adjacent, but they didn't travel halfway around the world to subjugate and conquer. Whites have never, ever been isolationist, or attempted to have a minimal, tranquil, or responsible impact on indigenous cultures.


And Nitro, you listed NBA stars as proof that Black America is not being held down. Why not list top earning Black butlers? Why not list top earning black prostitutes? The NBA is a glorified niggamajig show.

The NBA, Comic View, etc. are today's Blackface. Why have a black person contribute something valuable to a discussion? Why have a black male that is passive, timid, or takes second place in something?

When you hear a black man say "A Playa like me does it like this" "Niggas dont swim", etc., they honestly think they are being true to a culture. EDJ telling people not to talk about rock is his idea that he is being true to the culture. Keep it black, keep it crunk, keep them asses clapping, keep those niggers shooting basketball.

Why not have a vulnerable Black man on TV? White CEOs would rather see niggers playing hoops and making bulldog faces at the camera after slam dunking. White CEOs would rather see black comedians act foolish on Comic View and see Black bitches make their asses clap than have to golf with a black partner, or have their daughter marry a black man. They would rather see the differences between Black and White be exaggerated.

Why? Because in this day and age, a 20 foot jump shot still has a larger hold on black youth than the quadratic equation. Nothing valid is being intimated to black america through the NBA, or BET.
 
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HERESY said:
@Nitro you listed 10 nba stars and the money they make. Can you list the OWNERS and GM's of the top ten teams?
I would find it troublesome to list them in a such a short period of time, but I'll get right down to the point and just tell you there is only 1 black (majority) owner in the NBA. I'm not going to include Jay-Z because I don't know the circumstances surrounding his investment. The fact that there is only a single black owner in the NBA means nothing more in my eyes, than only one black man was successful in trying to purchase a professional basketball team. But how many have tried, two maybe three? When an owner puts his team up for sale, it is open season for anyone with money to spend. The rich come with their investment team and they start bidding bundles of money, whoever comes out on top takes over. The owner is just looking at the dollar signs, and maybe hopes that you won't move the team.

Do I think that it is unbalanced with one black owner as opposed to tens of other white owners in light that the majority of NBA players are African American, yes I absolutely do. But what are we talking about here, a problem or a statistic. There is no skin pigment required to purchase a basketball team, only a large sum of money and good business ethics. So when you ask me to list the top 10 NBA team owners, I see the point you are trying to make; but there is nothing that I see significant enough--that is preventing other African Americans from following--to adress this in such a serious manner. I do not see any racism or prejudice holding back African Americans, only the will and desire to do such, and of course money, which is what I am talking about.

HERESY said:
As far as music (especially Rap) is concerned I don't believe you understand the business aspect. You can EXPLOIT someones talent AND stupidity....Tupac is an example. I would also like to point out that ALL ***MAJOR*** forms of distribution are white owned. Yes a black man can start his own label but at the end of the day he MUST spend his money with the white man *IF* he plans on hitting BIG numbers.
Your absolutely right, but thats not the way things have to be. You're making it sound like starting a record label is the limit for a black artist when in fact it isn't! NBA basketball teams auction off in the hundreds of millions of dollars, why can't this money go towards building a distribution company? The very fact that you speak as if there is nothing past starting a record label is the very way of thinking that I am concerned with. I understand the business aspect of it, maybe not to the same degree as you, but I understand it enough.

HERESY said:
What do you call it when a label owner (black or white) preys upon someone elses ambitions and dreams? What do you call it when a label owner (black or white) feeds off an artist who doesnt understand publishing? Is that not exploiting the persons talent? Is that not exploiting the persons stupidity or lack of knowledge? IT''S THE AMERICAN WAY! You step on number two to become number one. You constantly get MORE for LESS. You cut corners, you shave prices and you smash the competetion. Do you HONESTLY believe owners/ceo's of fortune 500 companies made it to the top by being FAIR?
Who's fault is it that these people don't understand the way the business works. Is it up to those profiting from the artists to teach them the ins and outs of the music industry? No! What do people go to school for -- why are there educational institutes all over the country? It is for those that have dreams and ambitions, so they can pursue them and once they reach where they are going, they have a great knowledge base to excell with. Every man has a choice of what he wants to do in life, look at all these cats skipping college to go professional, look at all these cats who don't even try to go to college and spend their lives doing hard labor or being "exploited" by the white man.

Did you know Robert Johnson is a multi-billionaire? If you know this, HERESY, can you tell me how it is that he can find the time to create a television station devoted to "exploiting" black music, yet he can not start a distribution company to help put money back into the African American artists for creating the music he uses? I understand the the cost of building such a company and be large, but I do not believe it to be more than what he can spend.

HERESY said:
Nitro I asked you a question a looooooooooooooong time ago. ARABS, CHINESE, LATINOS and "JEW'S" (I don't acknowledge "jews" as a race/ethnicity but i'll do so here) make money. How much money do they make from the "african american" community/economy? Do african americans market and promote products to these races? If so can you list five items per race? It's funny how koreans can open up a liquor store in a black community........let's see a black man open a business in china town.............
I can not name a single item that African Americans market to any race or nationality, except for their own self image. Because in the grand sceme of things, every demanded product involving African Americans is marketed and operated by non-blacks, I don't deny this. The intracacies of black "exploitation" in America are real, but it is how this is looked at and labeled that I have a problem with. It's people pointing the finger when in reality, "exploitation" is made up of many more elements than just white owners controlling everything. You have black artists who create the image, you have owners who market and magnify it to consumers, who buy it up and reveal the desired public image of African Americans in music.

HERESY said:
While you mentioned Jay z and his success you left out an important factor. The majority of his money came from rap music. Now I ask you an honest question....the majority of his lyrics and videos consisted of what? What image did he (his label) market and promote?
The same thing most other black rap artists market, a tainted and damaging black image.